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Okay wanted to do some testing with my Epson 9700 in my office
on tan flat painted wall for awhile and finally got to it with the time to really make a good test.
Was really impressed with the results.
If its a total controlled light room this really could work,
Did this testing in my office...
I am not use to seeing light scatter but there was a lot of it,
which this is my office and not going to paint the room black.
But what i was impressed with was the corners where pretty much consistent to the center with regards to brightness and dimming..


with regards to daytime watching it gets faded and a little washed out effect
but is still watchable.

The Epson 9700 is in Eco Mode for the lamp
and the Auto iris is at Normal
screen size is 70-75 inches...
Projector is sitting on my desk
Throw distance is 7.5 feet lens to wall...
Not using any lens shift side to side...
Using the vertical shift at upper limit....


Thought i would share my findings....




Higher ISO Little more ambient light





Ambient light shot
Shot 8am morning shot cloudy day blinds closed but still light coming in have Window at 9ft thats totally not coverd....

Switched camera colour mode from auto to tuscan makes it more real to room brightness on camera in screen shot
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Nice post and great results.

Perfectly acceptable lights out at a cost of what $10.

Whites/Blacks look as good as any other DIY options, whats your best guess to the Gain 1.0?
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Nice post and great results.

Perfectly acceptable lights out at a cost of what $10.

Whites/Blacks look as good as any other DIY options, whats your best guess to the Gain 1.0?
Ya was really pleased with the outcome..
considering this is just off the wall.
and again the corners where pretty much the same as the center
no dimming.
Watching Hockey on it was amazing in the right lighting environment....

Actual total cost was the effort of time..
Wall was already painted and it was just a matter of setting up the projector.
If anyone wants to know the type of paint let me know.

Regarding the gain,, ya may be 1.0.

The thing about my office is A projector setup is not the easiest thing to do,
My Room Faces do south,
Have 12ft ceilings,two big windows that have blinds then a half moon type window above them which is uncovered..
my desk in the off center 3 ft from a window.
So right now the wall is the easiest option and the position of the projector would have to be my desk for now....
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My Next test on this will be Film based..
want to see if it carries the skin tones thru just as good as it does in
HD Content...
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Okay Next Phase of DIY Testing...
Film/Movie BLuRay Content.
Preview
Tried last night to take some screen shots.
Was not using the tripod and you could tell as I was getting some Unfocased shots.
But here is the best of the shots from last night
They are a little blurry but if you look at the colour detail it still is a good screen shot and again this is a flat painted wall.
On the second shot you see my Colour settings.
Nothing is over saturated with the settings
actually my colour sat was at -2....

Will try again but with my tripod so the shots look crisp....



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Okay,
Got the chance to Do the screen shot test with my tripod this time.
One change that i made,
Was going to my SilverScreen Mode on my Epson 9700 Projector.
Normally -2 tint and -2 on the Colour Sat is what i normally go with...
But as i started testing i realized that this type of Wall Paint really pushes colour..
So i had to dial the Tint the other way to counter Red Push and pulled back the Colour Sat to -6.. Something i am not use to doing

You got to keep in mind ,
this is a painted wall that was Rolled on by normal house painters.
There is nothing special about this paint.
This Paint is not a Screen Paint,
It has not been sprayed or Mixed its just wall paint...

Also Do check out the black detail ,
This is a 2:40 Film and the black bar is not washed out its black.
One Downfall to this is Light Scatter ,
I am not use to Light Scatter and i am in a smaller Room so you really notice the scatter.




Here is the shots....

First Colour Mode setting...




Now Adjusted Colour Mode...











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Will post later the make of this wall paint later today....
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Will post later the make of this wall paint later today....

Why the wait?

BTW, light scatter is indicative of a surface that has unity gain principles (1.0) and is not an issue for those who do not have closely adjoining walls of a light color (...or White)

Really though...to narrow down the search for a excellent "white paint" that does not present any push and keeps gain well above 1.0, one needs only to consider Sherwin Williams ProClassic Smooth Enamel Satin Finish.

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[quote=MississippiMan;20090016]Why the wait?
because its 4:39 am
and just because i cant sleep doesnt mean i want to wake everyone up.
the paint bucket is in my cold room...
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because its 4:39 am
and just because i cant sleep doesnt mean i want to wake everyone up.
the paint bucket is in my cold room...

1st off, I don't think the news will cause Trumpets to go off, nor Skyrockets to soar overhead.

I'd think you'd know it from memory...and in any case, iffin' your gonna post in the middle of the night, those who are frequenting your thread kinda deserve to know sooner than later.

Oh.... I'm not considering the fact that there is only me....

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Type of paint
Glidden Ultra Professional Interior...
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Type of paint
Glidden Ultra Professional Interior...

Wadda guy....

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BTW, I went to bed immediately after my last post. Gottcha.

Ya i went back to bed just after mine...
Damn Sore Throat....
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The Bottom Line from the Test...

If this was a dedicated room with Painted walls and controlled lighting this Paint would work very well as a screen paint,

It stood up and produced a very awesome Image...
The corners had the same level of brightness and blacks where black and not washed out...
Again you would need a dedicated theater room to counter the light scatter..(there was lots)
One thing i was shocked about was how this paint enhanced color saturation,
Its definitely a different calibration approach than what i am use to.

All in all I was very pleased with using this paint as a DIY Screen Solution
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One thing i was shocked about was how this paint enhanced color saturation,
Its definitely a different calibration approach than what i am use to.

All in all I was very pleased with using this paint as a DIY Screen Solution
OK...now you've got a good base to start with and add some Silver and Pearl and Poly, and start to realize what else exists "out there" that will go further to stretch your imagination and viewing potential further than you can imagine.


Drum Roll.........................please.

C'mon...it's fun...and educational too for Guys like you and me.


So imagine how much a positive gain light Gray surface might do....Hmmmmm? Shouldn't be too hard for someone with your experience.

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After comparing your painted wall with your BD screen are you saying there is no need to enhance the wall paint further as it is good enough as it is?

Looks really good from your pictures considering its nothing special.
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After comparing your painted wall with your BD screen are you saying there is no need to enhance the wall paint further as it is good enough as it is?

Looks really good from your pictures considering its nothing special.

Ya I really do think that,
after looking at my shots they look really good,
Whites are white and blacks are black.


If my target is for a dedicated room that has ambient light control I have an amazing Image...
That Pic Looks Really Really Good from V for Vendetta,
I have proper skin tones , blacks and whites.....
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I'm glad you've discovered the amazing revelation that a decently painted white surface can perform with distinction in a dark room when using a nice bright 1080p Projector with excellent Contrast specifications.

Who'da ever thunk it possible?

Ok...just jerkin' yer cord a bit....but in actuality, those like yourself who are familiar with Mfg. Screens, and who have set both their standards and expectations around the "Cost to Performance" ratio such Screens possess, are almost always amazed at the results that come from DIY Screens....once they actually see 'em in action.

End users of Mfg. Screens can be a lot harder to convince...let alone sell them on that ideal. Pretty much easy to understand...no one who makes a decision to spend thousands want to learn...or be told that they overlooked a "just as good as but far less expensive" option.

The happiest Folks? Those who start out in the DIY Screen making Camp, and who stay there...enjoying...as well as evolving as time marches along.

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I'm glad you've discovered the amazing revelation that a decently painted white surface can perform with distinction in a dark room when using a nice bright 1080p Projector with excellent Contrast specifications.

Who'da ever thunk it possible?

Ok...just jerkin' yer cord a bit....but in actuality, those like yourself who are familiar with Mfg. Screens, and who have set both their standards and expectations around the "Cost to Performance" ratio such Screens possess, are almost always amazed at the results that come from DIY Screens....once they actually see 'em in action.

End users of Mfg. Screens can be a lot harder to convince...let alone sell them on that ideal. Pretty much easy to understand...no one who makes a decision to spend thousands want to learn...or be told that they overlooked a "just as good as but far less expensive" option.

The happiest Folks? Those who start out in the DIY Screen making Camp, and who stay there...enjoying...as well as evolving as time marches along.

Just need to remember i am not using a white surface,
These walls are Taupe or Skin tone light Tan.
If i was using a white paint my blacks would be not black at all and my color saturation would not be as awesome in the shots above.

But as far as light scatter and ambient light viewing goes my DIY Screen Solution Totally Sucks.
Thats why I would need black Walls and Ceiling and Carpet to make this work,
To the quality level that i am use to.

Again if this was a dedicated theater Room with Controlled lighting My Painted Wall ( Nothing Special) would work,


So This Glidden Ultra Professional Interior is just another Option (No Mixing Required) in the DIY Paint Screen Realm and shouldn't be overlooked.......
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No-one needs to convince anyone of anything as people (hopefully) will see/judge for themselves what is best for their own situation and make ones own mind up within a set budget.

Saying "this is better than that" does not make it so, i analyze the raw data (if available) first to see if its even worth a Demo, thats how i choose my BD the results it gives, compared to the rest, were way ahead of the competition and i would still pick the same today its THAT GOOD in my situation!!!

For example measured Gain Data results.....
Silver Fire 2 3oz has a gain of 0.91 dropping to 0.45 at 45 degrees after 3 weeks of drying.
Black Diamond II has a gain of 1.4 dropping to 0.7 at 44 degrees.
This tells me that the whites are duller for the lower gain example given.

Thanks to Fraisa`s Data this is one FREE option to tryout, until you go and checkout the real alternatives......

I would be grateful to fraisa if i was new to this hobby so thanks to him
for sharing his unbias results.
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Thanks to Fraisa`s Data this is one FREE option to tryout, until you go and checkout the real alternatives......

I would be grateful to fraisa if i was new to this hobby so thanks to him
for sharing his unbias results.
Thanks for the nice comments...
As you can see in the previous V Screen Shot ,, That is a really Awesome Image...
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Newbie Benefit
The one thing that stands out with this paint is Ease...
There is no Paint Formula needed..
IE little bit of this , add that , put in this..etc..
You also dont need a spray gun ...
Most simple way to make a screen would be a sheet of Smooth Board or go on wall,
Paint it , Make a border and Call it a day....
Totally Simple.
Easy for an entry level solution on a budget that delivers decent black levels.
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The one thing that stands out with this paint is Ease...
There is no Paint Formula needed..
IE little bit of this , add that , put in this..etc..
You also dont need a spray gun ...
Most simple way to make a screen would be a sheet of Smooth Board or go on wall,
Paint it , Make a border and Call it a day....
Totally Simple.
Easy for an entry level solution on a budget that delivers decent black levels.

Do you like the paint enough to recommend the tan color and then adjust the PJ to taste?

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Do you like the paint enough to recommend the tan color and then adjust the PJ to taste?

This is decidedly "old School" stuff, and while the PJ can be calibrated to adjust for things to a degree, no one on the Planet is going to accept...let alone agree with the premise that a Tan Wall is something they want to consider when starting from scratch and deciding on what color/paint to use for a screen.

Well, there might be a few clueless, "under her thumb" Husbands sprinkled in there amongst the millions, but really...what might seem acceptable to frasia...on the weight of seeing such a good image when such was not expected...is not going to float with the general DIY Screen making community.

THAT is why they thread does not garner much response. Everyone is so "over" settling for trying to use an existing wall, let alone using a off color paint.

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Do you like the paint enough to recommend the tan color and then adjust the PJ to taste?

That is just what he did and is amazed at the results.

Give it a try, what have you got to lose, an afternoon and a few dollars.....

Not a few dollars more..... then see the Good the Bad and the Ugly.....
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Do you like the paint enough to recommend the tan color and then adjust the PJ to taste?

Definitely the tan or Taupe color helps.
Then also you would adjust the projector to taste.
Thats what is shown above in the screen shots.
the Due Date screen shot clearly shows that the tan color gives an added color saturation element..
I just pulled that back on the vendetta shots...
and it really turned out Amazing...
Again not alot of effort or dollars to do this ...
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THAT is why they thread does not garner much response. Everyone is so "over" settling for trying to use an existing wall, let alone using a off color paint.

MM, you ought to know well enough that I garnished a LOADED question. And pooey on you if you didn't

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Definitely the tan or Taupe color helps.
Then also you would adjust the projector to taste.
Thats what is shown above in the screen shots.
the Due Date screen shot clearly shows that the tan color gives an added color saturation element..
I just pulled that back on the vendetta shots...
and it really turned out Amazing...
Again not alot of effort or dollars to do this ...

How in the world can a tan wall help? I can't even fathom that someone would recommend this. If you're offering up to people to get the Glidden paint because and stating that this tan would be good in a dedicated HT setting?!?

I can't even begin to comment on your photos. If they are even relatively close, you're still out to lunch. You have a tan wall which is pushing brown (from the red side of things), your PJ's settings are 5500K which also leans heavily towards red. So you've had to reduce your color saturation to counteract to much red, which in turn has "flattened out" your other primaries. You've tried to compensate for that by bumping up your tint a hair. It's all over the place.

The reason your blacks look good is because you have a dark wall. Nothing else.

If someone wants to shoot an image on their wall simply because they are unmotivated to do something about then so be it. But to recommend a tan paint, when someone could just as well get a neutral or near neutral gray or white, because they are already at the big box store (since they were there on your recommendation to get the Glidden you chose) is ignorance at best.

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hillside,

i was beginning to wonder if anyone else had noticed just how poor those screenshots really were... considering he's using a 9700!

even with tripod... everything seems really de-focused... even more so than i've noticed with SS... but i'm sure that has to do with the glidden medium (what ever else is in it besides just titanium oxide).

and at 70"... those images should have been crystal clear.

skins tones as you noted... were attrocious.

and as for the ambient shots... of which i could barely tell if any was actually present... the pics broke down considerly... which again at only 70"... was pretty poor indeed.
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MM, you ought to know well enough that I garnished a LOADED question. And pooey on you if you didn't

Pooey? That's Phooey! The former sounds a bit "excret-a-tory"

But of course I did see the incredulity lurking behind the phraseology, and that served to prompt my response. I simply used your 'quote" as the vehicle to get the trip started.


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hillside, "Highside"

I was beginning to wonder if anyone else had noticed just how poor those screenshots really were... considering he's using a 9700!

and at 70"... those images should have been crystal clear.

skins tones as you noted... were atrocious.

and as for the ambient shots... of which I could barely tell if any was actually present... the pics broke down considerably... which again at only 70"... was pretty poor indeed.

It was a 75"er, on whose surface the image was being "Xeroxed' from just 7.5' away by a Epson 9700 with 200,000;1 Dynamic CR. That's 45 Foot Lamberts of 1080p brightness workin' it's magic there...the surface itself has little to offer the equation beyond being there and not being too terribly inadequate. Now really Guys...how many times have we seen similar postings from PJ noobs who have just got their PJ un-boxed, shot it onto their odd, various colored painted walls (...some with texture no less...) and waxed amazed at the quality they got even under those circumstances? Several, don'tcha think?

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If someone wants to shoot an image on their wall simply because they are unmotivated to do something about then so be it. But to recommend a tan paint, when someone could just as well get a neutral or near neutral gray or white, because they are already at the big box store (since they were there on your recommendation to get the Glidden you chose) is ignorance at best.

Guys, ya gotta cut frasia a bit of slack here (...if only a bit...) because he is in fact a "noob" as far as considering paint on a wall as a alternative to a Mfg. Screen. He is in fact a Dealer for Black Diamond Screens, and as such is really the epitome of the "Odd Man Out". In my experience, exceedingly few Mfg Screen Dealers EVER would begin to consider such....it doesn't make any sense for them to do so.

frasia is on a 'discovery jag' and his comments must be considered as coming from someone who was not expecting such results. Kinda like a Preschooler who has a bent toward Finger Painting. If he stays the course and graduates into Primary School, he's gonna learn how those neutral Grays mixed into Satin/Eggshell bases would have accomplished a lot more accurate colors, and the use of a denser paint would have prevented the light absorption that creates less than stellar images. I for one do not doubt that his viewed results are quite a bit better than the Photos indicate...as he's still learning how to take such shots.

I actually hope he continues down the road to revelation. If he can drag a few other malcontents with him, perhaps they too might become more educated and stop making uneducated and myopic viewed observations.

So cut frasia down from the Scaffold, he doesn't deserve hangin'.
.......Ok, maybe a short stint in Solitary, but that never kil't no one no how.

Meanwhile, we are serving to keep an otherwise non-relevant Thread alive here, and he's appreciative of that I'm sure.

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You have to understand why i did this test..

I have been curious from day one on the color light tan for a screen as an alternative to grey..
My interest in projector and screens comes from having an desire and passion for this kind of stuff.

the comment mentioned regarding how that color would push a bit extra red and color is true.
Does the Tan undertone help with black levels ... Sure Does

But guess what,
Others would not have realized that unless i did the test.
So you pull back on the calibrated settings,
it doesn't mean its wrong or evil...

This is just another diy option and for much cheaper cost
and i am very pleased with the outcome.


But again This was a Test...
Of which i have shared my Findings and there has been many members who have thanked me for it.
Many want to know if there is an alternative to the traditional diy paint solutions
Many don't want to be a professor when it comes to mixes.
and find the hole diy paint process overwhelming.
This is a cheap alternative to buying a cheap white crap mfg screen.

Could my last Calibrated setting be adjusted a little more to improve sure,
Even in my MFG Showroom i change those settings all the time..
Nothing is ever set in stone. and your a fool if you do...

I still think with the right Calibrated adjustments this is still a good DIY Option...




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