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RS-MaxxMudd Standard or Silver Fire v2.5 2.0

With the X35...even if you stick to 120 " diagonal and set that Boy back all the way at 22' from the screen, you'll still get 18 fls.

Mount the X35 at 13' and use Silver Fire v2.5 2.0 and you'll be able to watch 3D movies with some light on in the room...because you will get over 28 foot lambert of reflective brightness off the screen with Normal lamp, and still make 16-17 fls with 3D content.

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Thanks for the input! I plan on installing an ~ 120" screen at 2.35:1 and using the x35 zoom presets to adjust to 16:9 as needed. I plan on watching movies 95% of the time at night in my light controlled room.

So it sounds like a Komex (or generic) for the screen and then the Silver Fire v2.5 2.0 mix... Any compromises in using the Silver Fire over the RS-MaxxMudd Standard for evening viewing? Also, while I'm still working on perfecting my paint spraying skills, can I hand the Komex as-is and use temporarily? I remember that is needed to be rubbed with a magic eraser first - should I do this before painting anyway?

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Rub it.

No loss of quality with SF v2.5 over RS-MM S....in fact you get even better results with SF v2.5, even using it with no Colorant (SF v2.5-NC)

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Polarization retention for 3D

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Rub it.

No loss of quality with SF v2.5 over RS-MM S....in fact you get even better results with SF v2.5, even using it with no Colorant (SF v2.5-NC)
I have been reading up on 3D with the JVC, and it sounds like it is important to know how much "Polarization retention" you will have from your screen before you choose which 3D glasses to buy. There are much cheaper versions out there than JVC oem, but if your screen does retain polarization, it is important to get JVC glasses to keep the image bright.... Details HERE.

Any estimates of how much theSF v2.5 (with or without colorant) and/or RS-MM retain polarization?

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Any estimates of how much theSF v2.5 (with or without colorant) and/or RS-MM retain polarization?

Thanks!
There is no real metallic content in Silver Fire. Mica Flakes are more akin to stone....sort of like Feldspar and / or Quartz Crystals. And as far as I know the JVC units do not employ Passive 3D engines.

Only LG did so of the last 3-4 years, and it pretty much fizzled out due to lack of screen availability. Certainly their twin Light Engine PJ was a real torch....but it also was expensive @ $12K

The real reason a screen with polarized Light retention can be an advantage to a system that uses Shutter Glasses is that the metallic content usually is accompanied by significant gain. Barring that, some people manage to match of the angle of incidence of the Screens semi-polarized reflection with specific glasses that are tuned so as to retain brightness through the shutter lenses.

About the time the Thread you liked to was authored, I was in England creating some 200"+ Polarized Screens for SKY. Did 'em up really well to...but the metallic infused paint was extremely toxic and flammable, and the LG cost a bundle, so the project stalled.

Nowadays, it's all about Gain...more than chasing Polarized Light beams. When Passive was producing a better image, and Active Glasses were taking a bad health rap, there was modest intrest...but much of that revolved around Gamers with dual PJs and Circular Polarity Filters they could fine tune.

Dem days are gone now...because a bunch of PJs that do active 3D come in at 2400 to 3000 lumen output in 3D Mode.

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Thanks for the feedback MSMan. I am going to go for it - starting with a plain, "rubbed" generic Komex, and eventually painting with SF v2.5! I'll decide on colorant after I have some viewing time on the Komex and see how ambient light impacts the PQ.

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Also looking for a good Komex/generic dealer near Mobile, AL or Pensacola, FL. I found AL-FLA Plastics Company in Mobile - they say they can get the 8mm sheets, but not sure yet on pricing.
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Also looking for a good Komex/generic dealer near Mobile, AL or Pensacola, FL. I found AL-FLA Plastics Company in Mobile - they say they can get the 8mm sheets, but not sure yet on pricing.
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Both Laird Plastics and Piedmont Plastics have home offices and distribution in Fla. Laird is in Boca Raton, FL

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MM,

4.0 darkness seems a bit extreme. Are you sure it will look good on a CRT?

The other choice is getting some cheap wide commando. Getting two yards on the sides should do it.

And yes, I was that close to the walls, or closer. With a 128" wide image you hug the ceiling because of the electrical outlet goes up 18".
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Debonaire,

I made that choice based on the observed situation. I did not recall you were using a CRT (G90?)

Dampening down the wall reflections and using SF v2.5 N/C is best recommended.

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Debonaire,

I made that choice based on the observed situation. I did not recall you were using a CRT (G90?)

Dampening down the wall reflections and using SF v2.5 N/C is best recommended.
At the time a Dwin hd700 was the cheapest color corect projector.
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At the time a Dwin hd700 was the cheapest color correct projector.
Yeah...but that's been a while back! (2000) Dwin dropped CRTs and produced DLPs for a while, but even the latest TransVision 4e has been out of production since 2009. Strange Mfg. ....they only produced each model for 1 year, then dropped them for the next year's model.

If you have one of the older CRTs however, I seem to recall that by using a DWIN TranScanner (Line Multiplier) that you could scale 4:3 and 16:9 images to fit a 2.39:1 screen, and save all the values in the HD700's memory banks...which I remember that there were 80 different settings! It was the least expensive CRT (...but w/only 7" Tubes...) around at the time ($12K) but now a good working one sells for around $150.00 -$200.00. If it sells at all.

CRTs were the reference standard...but image quality of Digitals has progressed to and beyond their potential. Even so, if you have one, and it works, it's not something to consign to the scrap heap by any means.

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Once a projector like the Epson LS10k laser becomes proven tech, I'll upgrade. Changing lamps sucks and I don't like how they get to half life in less than 2,000 hours.

If I could afford a Sim2 M150s, I'd upgrade right now.
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For the SF formula, the Liquitex Basics Silver has been replaced with Rustoleum Metallic Accents Sterling Silver. Is that also the proper replacement for the RS-MM formulas or stick with the liquitex?

Sorry -- saw the question answered a few pages back (not sure how I missed it). I'll leave my question there, but from previous posts, the answer is "yes"

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Both Laird Plastics and Piedmont Plastics have home offices and distribution in Fla. Laird is in Boca Raton, FL

Be sure to check in and relate the cost quoted so you can get feedback.
I am closer to Mobile, AL and Pensacola, FL - assuming I will need to pick up in person for my planned 120" diagonal screen.

I received a sample from a company called AL-FLA Plastics in Mobile, AL. They sent me samples of a material called "Macrolux Multiwall Polycarbonate Sheet" 8mm Twin Wall. The color was Opal and Bronze - neither are white - both are translucent. Seems like I would want white? Also, the surface is not completely flat - I can feel and see slightly concave ridges where the polycarb "squares" meet... Is this the right stuff?
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No....tell them you want expanded White PVC Sheeting in 6 mm

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No....tell them you want expanded White PVC Sheeting in 6 mm
this might be a really dumb question...but i'm very new to this. How does a screen like this compare to something like a Silver Ticket/Elite Screens screen vs a Stewert StudioTek 130....how does it rank i guess vs other screens from low to high end. I was planning on purchasing a Silver Ticket screen based on the thread in the "Screens" section. If this is a much better result maybe I'll do this. What do people do for frames for these to make them look good?
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this might be a really dumb question...but i'm very new to this. How does a screen like this compare to something like a Silver Ticket/Elite Screens screen vs a Stewert StudioTek 130
There are no "dumb" questions, just ones that don't have much research behind them.

The Silver Ticket Fixed screens are indeed a good bargain...especially for Fixed screens. (...I've already helped a few use them as surfaces to paint upon too...) They are however just simple 1.1 gain Matte white screens, while even the lowest colorant level Silver Fire, or any RS-MaxxMudd screen is a Metallic enhanced surface that improves viewed contrast coming off the screen, as well as improve ambient light watch-ability.

The same applies to any matte white Elite. The Stewart ST 130? That is a Reference quality 1.3 gain White. But it also has been equaled / bested by DIY efforts as far back as 2003, so yeah...it falls right in with the Silver Ticket and Elite crowd by comparison.

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...how does it rank i guess vs other screens from low to high end. I was planning on purchasing a Silver Ticket screen based on the thread in the "Screens" section. If this is a much better result maybe I'll do this. What do people do for frames for these to make them look good?
Before this goes further, it really is as important that you confer some facts about your needs and application. Projector? Room viewing conditions (Colors-Lighting)? Type of Content primarily viewed? Screen size desired?"

More information from you will be a concrete determination provided in return.

But I will state this much in advance. A well done Silver Fire or RS-MaxxMudd Screen is more readily compared to a Mfg Screen costing $1000.00s.....not $100.00s

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There are no "dumb" questions, just ones that don't have much research behind them.

The Silver Ticket Fixed screens are indeed a good bargain...especially for Fixed screens. (...I've already helped a few use them as surfaces to paint upon too...) They are however just simple 1.1 gain Matte white screens, while even the lowest colorant level Silver Fire, or any RS-MaxxMudd screen is a Metallic enhanced surface that improves viewed contrast coming off the screen, as well as improve ambient light watch-ability.

The same applies to any matte white Elite. The Stewart ST 130? That is a Reference quality 1.3 gain White. But it also has been equaled / bested by DIY efforts as far back as 2003, so yeah...it falls right in with the Silver Ticket and Elite crowd by comparison.

Before this goes further, it really is as important that you confer some facts about your needs and application. Projector? Room viewing conditions (Colors-Lighting)? Type of Content primarily viewed? Screen size desired?"

More information from you will be a concrete determination provided in return.

But I will state this much in advance. A well done Silver Fire or RS-MaxxMudd Screen is more readily compared to a Mfg Screen costing $1000.00s.....not $100.00s
Thanks man. Most of the info you need can be found on this thread. I appreciate your help.

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Also it will be used mostly for sports and movies. Direct TV and xbmc/Blu-ray if it matters.
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No....tell them you want expanded White PVC Sheeting in 6 mm
I got a quote for a 4' x 8' sheet for $90, but the 5' x 10' sheet (which is what I need for 120" diagonal) is $247 - not including shipping!

This is more than I was hoping for... May look into the old Wilsonart designer laminate which should be considerably cheaper - and maybe "paintable"?

Unless anyone knows of a better place within 1-2 hours of Mobile, AL to get a 5' x 10' sheet (or precut 110" x 46") of expanded PVC sheeting at a decent price.
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I got a quote for a 4' x 8' sheet for $90, but the 5' x 10' sheet (which is what I need for 120" diagonal) is $247 - not including shipping!
Well...your obviously getting a Retail price from a outlet that knows you don't know better. Hateful little SOBs
3 Hours away is Baton Rouge and a Lairds Plastics Distribution point. That's a straight shot down the Super Highway, and not too bad a jaunt if you take it at the right time of day (9:00 to 3:00)

Lairds Plastics
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I can assure you the 5 x 10 x 6mm sheet will be at/ under $100.00
You might want me to call to arrange either a PU or see what delivery added on might be because I'm listed as a Commercial Customer.

The WA-DW is an option, but it comes with considerable baggage.....it's fragile and difficult to mount. It does accept paint though.....

I would instead consider doing up a Flexi-White fabric Screen and painting onto that if the Plastic Sheeting cannot be obtained..

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Which produces better results in both dark rooms and rooms with a little ambient light? A painted screen like this or silver fire vs a cheaper purchased screen like Silver Ticket or Elite? Also...painted DIY vs milliskin DIY?
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Which produces better results in both dark rooms and rooms with a little ambient light? A painted screen like this or silver fire vs a cheaper purchased screen like Silver Ticket or Elite? Also...painted DIY vs milliskin DIY?
In order of all-around Proficiency:


Silver Fire v2.5 2.0
Silver Fire v2.5 N/C
RS-MaxxMudd Retro
N8.5 Flat Neutral Gray

Spandex Milli Silver over White
Spandex Milli White over Silver


Toss in any ambient light and the Matte White Silver Ticket & Elite fail to even place.

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Unless anyone knows of a better place within 1-2 hours of Mobile, AL to get a 5' x 10' sheet (or precut 110" x 46") of expanded PVC sheeting at a decent price.
Laird has no stock in Baton Rouge however they quoted $119.00 for 60" x 120" x 6mm and w/Shipping from Houston to Mobile area at $120.00

$239.00 total ain't bad. considering they would ship the thing on a 5' x 10' Wood pallet.

PM me if you want to go that route....as you'll need to reference my name & company to obtain those rates.

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In order of all-around Proficiency:


Silver Fire v2.5 2.0
Silver Fire v2.5 N/C
RS-MaxxMudd Retro
N8.5 Flat Neutral Gray

Spandex Milli Silver over White
Spandex Milli White over Silver


Toss in any ambient light and the Matte White Silver Ticket & Elite fail to even place.
This is excellent. I guess i need to start reading through this post and gathering what i need to make my own screen
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Which of these would be best for a budget LED lamp projector such as LGPA75, or BenQ GP20? One would think RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2.1, but it doesn't hurt to ask the experts.
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Which of these would be best for a budget LED lamp projector such as LGPA75, or BenQ GP20? One would think RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2.1, but it doesn't hurt to ask the experts.
You nailed it down on the first choice.

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You nailed it down on the first choice.
Thanks MM. I PM'd you my setup with some additional questions, but I'm sure I'm just one of many that has sent such a request.
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