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I just finished making a 16:9 screen (106") with RS-MaxxMudd LL and now I am about to make a 2.40:1 screen (125"), and was wondering what is the difference between these two paint combination.

I am extremely pleased with MaxxMudd LL but was wondering if SF 2.0 is even better for deeper blacks. BTW, I have an Epson 8350.
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yes. if you are looking for more contrast and deeper black levels than LL... than silver fire will provide that.
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Hi pb_maxx,

Ok, so which SF do you recommend for me? Below are my stats:

125" diag 2.39:1 screen (115" wide x 48" tall).
Wall behind screen is competely matte black and 142" wide, so the screen's sides are 13.5" from the wall.
The side and rear walls are painted eggshell dark burgundy from ceiling down to about 33" from the floor.
The bottom 33" of the side and rear wall is matte black.
The ceiling is matte black.
Completely light controlled dedicated room. Pitch black dark when movie watching.

Epson 8350 on cinema mode with ECO lamp, iris off and super white on. Calibrated per Arts settings. I believe this projects in the ballpark of 360-400 lumens.

I am projecting from 13' away and according to the calc on projectorcentral, it says I would be projecting at 19fl with a screen gain of 1.0... I would like to bring that down to 14-16fl, so it says I need a screen gain of .80... Does this mean that something like SF v2 4.0 would be my best bet?

Any other information you need to make a better assessment, just let me know! Thanks bro!
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Bump.

I'm curious about this situation as well. I have a totally light controlled room but not a a PJ with super deep blacks (HC4000). Do you loose any richness in color with SF paint? I'm going to do one of the two but not sure which. Thanks!
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SF has the deeper Blacks and in the dark suffers not one bit as far as having dynamic colors.

RS-MaxxMudd is a high gain mix, so it does not do as well as SF does under ambient light, but still does better than similarly high gain surfaces.

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Hey MM, it's been over 1.5 years since we last talked. If you remember, I sprayed a darkness mix of 4.0 on my screen, can't remember if it was MaxxMudd or SF 2.0. It's been a while. I am probably going to upgrade from the Epson 8350 to the Panny AE8000U.

Will the 4.0 mix still be good for the AE8000U? Screen is 125" @ 2.40:1 ratio in a completely light controlled, dedicated theater room. The throw of the pj is 13.5 feet. Thanks!

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I remember now. My paint is SF 2.0 with 4.0 colorant.

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Will the 4.0 mix still be good for the AE8000U? Screen is 125" @ 2.40:1 ratio in a completely light controlled, dedicated theater room.

If you can get a Panny 8000, DO IT! It is a Incredible machine....and even though I've been a staunch advocate of Epson's 8350....well, there is no comparing the two projectors....there just ain't no sense in it.

500,000:1 contrast vs 50,000:1
480 hz Panels vs 120 hz
2400 lumen vs 2000 lumen
LENS MEMORY !

With the Panny 8000 in the room you describe, go for a 2.0 mix. ( 2 oz. Colorant )


Panny.....Panny.....Panny.........cool.gif

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Will the 4.0 mix still be good for the AE8000U? Screen is 125" @ 2.40:1 ratio in a completely light controlled, dedicated theater room.

First off, don't talk so crazy! If you can get a Panny 8000, DO IT! It is a Incredible machine....and even though I've been a staunch advocate of Epson's 8350....well, there is no comparing the two projectors....there just ain't no sense in it.

With the Panny 8000 in the room you describe, go for a 2.0 mix. ( 2 oz. Colorant )


Panny.....Panny.....Panny.........cool.gif

LOL

Well, honestly, the AE8000U is really really pushing my budget. Quite honestly, I think I am in the $1,800-$2,000 max limit for now. :-( With this being said, if I am going to replace my 8350, the new PJ must comply with the following:

Good 3D
Lens Shift
2.35:1 capability without need for external lens
$1,800-$2,000 price range

Seems like the BenQ W7000 fits the bill. Would that be a good choice for my immediate needs?

BTW, I think really want to keep the screen as is (4.0 colorant). Thing of beauty and don't want to mess with it.

Thanks again, MM.

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I don't suppose at first the BenQ will disappoint....but IMO BenQs come with too much baggage. (short Lamp life...poorer Blacks...expensive lamps....noisy Iris....) and if you plan to Game...the 7000 is a real Turtle as far as lag Times are concerned (50ms)

If indeed the Panny 8000 is too pricey, keep patient and see what the weeks before Christmas bring....or even better, the month of January.

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