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post #1 of 21 Old 09-14-2011, 06:05 PM - Thread Starter
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Reverie Time, Troops

It has come to my attention that although a great many AVS'ers who have frequented the DIY Screen forum have tried Silver Fire and completed their projects, it's difficult for a questing DIY'er to locate specific testimonials by those people that address the strong points (...or weak points) of the application, as well as application ease (or woes).

Most will agree that after any good DIY Screen project is done. most everyone retreats to their Lairs and Caves to consume the fruits of their labors. And if that Fruit is sweet and fulfilling, most do not venture forth again...leastwise for a spell. Unless they are not Happy. Then...they make their presence known.

Although I see precious few such people posting (we work hard to prevent any reasons for doing so...) such justified diatribes, I'd like to request that anyone who has done a SF Screen and is willing to contribute back to the DIY Forum, that they would post a brief description (OK...as long as you like...but brief is OK too...) of their experience and the end results. If Screenies are provided, please post a few of your best only, with a brief Title / explanation of what is being shown.

Those who have recently done one of the latest versions... (v2.0 -v2.1 -v2.1HG) are especially asked to venture their opinions, as it is the latest versions where specific effort has been made to further reduce metallic-induced artifacts (speckles) or metallic "sparklies".

Please include the following info:

Silver Fire "version"

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Screen Size

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Projector

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Substrate Material painted upon

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Method of application /Equipment used

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Component availability

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Opinion on Mixing effort

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Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

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Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

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Hot Spotting :
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*Bad (noticeably brighter in the center of the screen )

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*Moderate
(White / Color Detail is crushed Due to intense reflection)


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*Slight (Slight sheen only noticeable within the brightest white content)

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Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )


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Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

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Closing statements of your choice

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That's it

Be it a light version or a dark version, old or new, well done or a "oops" affair,
let's hear from as many of you as possible. Once. No repeats or follow ups beyond editing your original Post.

Don't ask questions requiring a response from myself, PB-Maxxx, or any other SF End User. This is the SF End User's Testimonial Thread

If your a Reader or Lurker only, and have not done...or in the least not honestly attempted a Silver Fire, please refrain from Posting any direct or indirecte response (ie: please don't post at all.) Let's keep this Thread a bastion and depository of Knowledge and experience gained through doing. You can always copy a Post's link and refer to it on your own/another Thread.

Everyone I can think of pretty much knows that the spirit that drives true DIY'ers (...beyond saving a Buck...) is rooted in both receiving and giving knowledge and assistance. I seldom outright ask anyone to contribute...it's an understood given.

But this thread will serve as a reference to help others easily adjudge to pros & cons of the Silver Fire experience, as comes from the people most qualified to dispense such without being looked upon a blatantly promoting SF for promotion sake alone. End Users.

So please...do contribute...and contribute what you feel best describes your overall experience.

To quote James T. Kirk;
"I'm laughing at the superior intellect"
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Silver Fire "version" -- original v1 4oz
Screen Size -- 100"
Projector -- some crappy mits, vaguely remember 1500 lumen, bulb about to explode..
Substrate Material painted upon -- drywall
Method of application /Equipment used -- wagner DD
Component availability -- michaels/homedepot
Opinion on Mixing effort -- ??
Speckles? -- none
Sparklies? -- none
Hot Spotting -- none noticed under the fluorescents....
Viewing Cone -- as wide as the band room it's in
Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.
Blue push, However works under direct lighting -- a white screen does not.
Closing statements of your choice -- MMudd is easier, gets almost as good performance, like it better. All of my latest screens have been something close to mudd retro. (with a bit of gold)
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review from respected forum member CZEDDIE:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post20467571
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and another forum member DESIGN2CODE:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post20165284
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Silver Fire "version"

SF V1 2

Screen Size

117" plus 1 1/2" border.

Projector

Updated 7/07/13 to Pan ae8000

Substrate Material painted upon

Sintra

Method of application /Equipment used

Sprayed with Wagner DD. I may not have got the paint thin enough, but I just sprayed additional coats until I was sure that I had a good even painted surface.

Component availability

Had to order Matt colorants online.

Opinion on Mixing effort

I searched pretty thoroughly until I found droppers for giving meds to infants. Measuring at that point was easy. Just take your time.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

What's a speckle None noticed.

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Nope. None are apparent.

Hot Spotting :

I don't notice any HS.

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

My HT is 14' wide. Though there are seats off center, no one has ever commented on a less than optimum picture.

Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

First experience.

Closing statements of your choice

All DIY type projects always start with a bit of trepidation from the unknown. Read the instructions here and also read individual threads as they answer ALL questions. Exceptions might be to the new formulas, but it's all there except maybe a recommendation or two for your particular circumstance. Given that, pb-Maxx and MM will still answer even the most basic questions. Ya just hafta doit.
My thread is at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1259060
I've improved it with curtains and moved the projector back behind the rear wall. It was never right in the room and the cutout was easier than I though it would be. I'll add some pics when I get a chance.
Just a quick update as of 7/22/13. Watched the British Open and the last stage of the Tour de France yesterday. I had family in and so I kept the overhead lights on. Despite the brightness of the room, the picture was still impressive. This screen rocks :)
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I've done two of these now, so here goes:
SCREEN #1
Silver Fire "version"
SF 2.0 Version 1

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Screen Size
144"

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Projector

Epson 8100 and 8700UB

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Substrate Material painted upon

Drywall

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Method of application /Equipment used

Sprayed with a Wagner CS

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Component availability

Internet
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Opinion on Mixing effort

No big deal

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Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Not sure what speckles are, Graininess perhaps? This screen was a little bit grainy, possibly due to poor application. There was a slight orange peel texture to the surface.

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Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None. Zero. At any distance.

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Hot Spotting :
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None visible either in movies or test patterns.

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )


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Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

My first screen. Really great. The screen was too big for that gray in THX mode. Just not enough lumens. So I re painted and went slightly smaller.

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Silver Fire "version"

SF HG Version 2.0 with a bit extra UPW. pb_maxxx suggested this because I over-thinned the mix.

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Screen Size

138"

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Projector

Epson 8700UB

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Substrate Material painted upon

Sintra

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Method of application /Equipment used

Sprayed with a Wagner CS

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Component availability

Local

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Opinion on Mixing effort

No big deal.

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Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Very, very minimal graininess. Only noticeable in certain scenes, and then only if you're looking for it.

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Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None. Zero. At any distance.

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Hot Spotting :
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*Bad (noticeably brighter in the center of the screen )

Noticeable bright spot on test patterns. It moves as you move. Not really noticeable on the vast majority of scenes. I had decided to live with it till I watched Star Wars, A New Hope, last night. During the first desert scenes the spot was highly noticeable.


Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

Great Ambient light performance given that it's about an N8.5 screen. Great colors, nice sharp picture. If it didn't hot spot it would be near perfect. Just guessing here, but I'm going to guesstimate the gain to be 1.4 in the hot spot and .9 to .8 at the edge. I could be way off on those numbers though. I think a hot spot like this is probably unavoidable with a HG screen. I went to a store and viewed an expensive HG manufactured screen, same problem. If you want HG, you gotta pay the piper somewhere I guess. Time to start saving my pennies for an Epson 5010. (50% more lumens... )

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Please include the following info:

Silver Fire "version"
V2 1.75

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Screen Size
170" 16:9
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Projector
Epson 8700UB
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Substrate Material painted upon
Dywall
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Method of application /Equipment used
Wagner CS
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Component availability
Local + Online
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Opinion on Mixing effort
Colorant measuring is a pain.
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Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Yes some graininess visible at times, especially if I run higher light output modes.
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Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.
none that I notice
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Hot Spotting :
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*Bad (noticeably brighter in the center of the screen )

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*Moderate
(White / Color Detail is crushed Due to intense reflection)


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*Slight (Slight sheen only noticeable within the brightest white content)

Not sure about this one...I have a couple weird spots but not sure yet if they are reflection.
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Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

N/A. Screen is so big we dont have need or room for much over maybe 20deg off ccenter viewing.
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Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.
No other comparison except some white panels.
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Closing statements of your choice
My screen is starting to have a yellowish push.
Also for some reason in certain parts, it looks like my image is trapped under something. At 18ft throw, 170" I can watch comfortably in THX mode. Bulb has about 300hours on it.


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Please include the following info:

Silver Fire "version"
SF V2.1 5.0 HG

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Screen Size
115" 16X9

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Projector
8350 Epson

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Substrate Material painted upon
Sintra
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Method of application /Equipment used
Wagner CS Easy to do by the way

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Component availability
Local (I did have to go to 3 Michaels to get the delta pearl which has been replaced)

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Opinion on Mixing effort
I made it harder than necessary

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Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.
None
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Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.
None
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Hot Spotting :
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None that I see
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Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )
None my room is only 14' wide

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Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.
This is my first screen
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Closing statements of your choice
I went darker than most, I have a room that has windows and I wanted the extra darkness so I can play games during the day.
I always use low lamp on the projector and don't have any problems.
I like my screen very much and would not hesitate to do it again if necessary.
Here is a link to my screen endeavor with some picks inside.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1329606


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Reverie Time, Troops
Well this is handy... I finally got around to it.

Silver Fire "version" SF2 2.0

Screen Size 120"

Projector Epson 8350 400'sh hrs on bulb, 14' throw and I run it on normal (not eco)

Substrate Material painted upon

Cheap 120" Mustang Retractable, 100% light controlled room, black walls and ceiling.

Method of application /Equipment used Cheapest Graco HVLP

Component availability
I managed to get all the required ingredients. I'm in Canada, micheals had liquitex, ordered the metallic silver from amazon.com had to pick it up at the border.

Opinion on Mixing effort
nothing to it. Looked crazy at first mixing the groups seperately, then mixed together to form a nice silver color. The amount of water was shocking being new to sprayers but it seems to be accurate

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

I managed to get a great coat on with the instructions from the threads... there was one minor speckle or chunk of paint, I can't see it from my seat however. I started off a bit gunshy and my dusters were basically dust. It worried me as the paint was slightly "globby" however it wasn't very warm out. As soon as I got comfortable I added some more water to thin it out a bit more ( added the minimum amount advised originally)and really put on some thick coats which seemed to give a great uniform coat.

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

It's absolutely got more sparkles than the 1.0 matte white I'm used to...however I can't say it bothers me at all on 95% of the content. It's a bit of an issue on bright scenes where the majority of the scene is in motion, like a when the movie pans across an open field in nature or something. It's not noticeable with any color involved, infact I think it helps the image looke more vibrant. If it was take it or leave it vs. my matte white I would take it.


Hot Spotting :
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*Bad (noticeably brighter in the center of the screen )

I don't find I have this problem


*Moderate
(White / Color Detail is crushed Due to intense reflection)


I watched some "Sin City" to have a look at blacks and whites and I was very impressed. I suppose after reading some descriptions on hot spotting I am receiving this effect. From what I read it's pretty tough to find a HG screen that doesn't have a higher reflection of light directly infront of the viewer. It's a mild effect however, I didn't actually notice it until I made a point to look for it.

*Slight (Slight sheen only noticeable within the brightest white content)

This might be what I mentioned above in sparklies, it can look as though the image is moving "behind" the screen on the bright panoramic scenes with a majority of white i.e. clouds etc.


Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )


It's impossible to sit to the left or right of my screen, only middle left and middle right... so I have no issues with this.


Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

I consider this an upgrade to my previous 1.0 matte white screen. Colors are awesome, I have no noticeable push. I instantly noticed better performance from my blacks as well. I would call it significant. I had about 2500hrs on my white screen so I was quite accustomed to it's performance.

Closing statements of your choice



I do think this paint requires a completely uniform screen which was absolutely mentioned by MM and pbmaxx in other threads. I proceeded at my own discretion because my retractable screen looked completely flat as matte white. Despite adding tension to the screen while spraying, a few "natural" waves and a spot where I previously bent the screen in the middle while lifting it up a few months ago show up. If I apply more pressure and really stretch the screen tight, those "shadows" disappear and the screen looks uniform again. To be clear the paint made these pre-existing problems with my screen noticeable, it's clear the paint did not create these shadows on it's own.

I watched Transformers 3 bluray as my first entire movie with the new screen and I'm absolutely positive it's the best my projector has ever looked. Games have far more going on in any given scene compared movies and the shadows and sparklies I mention are virtually non-existant and again my projector has never looked better.

Basically I would use this paint again, however I would choose my screen material better. I'm going to try build a frame stretch my retractable over it and see if it helps, if it doesn't I'm starting over with a fixed screen and getting it done right.

If I had to nitpick the one negative it could be the sparklies, however I'm sitting very close to a 120" screen with a bright projector on normal mode...sometimes I'm my own worst enemy. Again it's not even an issue 95% of the time, but I do see a mild effect of them being "overtop of the image" on the bright scenes. I can't really explain it any better.



thats about it. Thanks for all the help! I wrote this quickly at work, apologize for typo's/formatting.

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Silver Fire "version"

Not sure, end of 2009 I think?

Screen Size

74" diagonal

Projector

Optoma PRO350w

Substrate Material painted upon

1/4" MDF

Method of application /Equipment used

Wagner electric sprayer from home depot

Component availability

Don't recall - I think I found everything locally then?

Opinion on Mixing effort

Not a problem.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

I've not noticed any in the 1-1/2 years I've been using it.

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Nope


Hot Spotting :
Slight, not too bad; the center third of the image (when viewing dead on) is almost imperceptibly brighter. Really only noticeable on a very bright scene when moving back and forth in viewing area and looking for it.


Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

None noticeable in my location. One of my couches in the viewing area is almost 60* off center, and it's still very watchable.


Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

I don't have much to compare to, but it seems exceptional to me
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Hey all you recent Converts who have finished your Silver Fire screens....how's about joining the Roll Call?

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Silver Fire Version 2.5 "Light Fusion".
The paint mix but for the last two, very light dusters, is SF 4. The last two dusters are SF 5.6.
Screen size is 105" 2.35:1
Mitsubishi HC4900
The painted substrate is an acrylic mirror
Sprayed with the Graco 2900, otherwise known as the Gleem "no name"
Bought most of the paint locally. The Rustoleum I got from Amazon (No CostCo). Next time I will just buy it all (except for the Behr and Minwax) off the web, less hassle.
It took me a while to mix up the paint, but that is because I did it outside, and bought some of the Silver in the 8oz size, which was MUCH harder to get all the paint out of.
Speckes or sparkles? No.
Hot Spotting? The way it is defined here, none. In that here is no "sheen". In very bright monchrome images (like the projector start up screen which is all white) there is a slightly brighter area that follows my head around. It doesn't show up in normal viewing.
No viewing cone limitations.
Performance is dramatically superior to my previous screen. It was a Screen Goo Ultra grey. It had a considerable amount of texture, that was hiding detail in HD images. I can see all the detail now. This screen is much brighter, the blacks are at least as good, if not better with this screen.

Edit: I described the black levels this way because I was and am very leery of the "placebo effect". But having looked at several films that I am very familiar with now, I have to say the black levels are noticeably, significantly superior to the previous screen, while at the same time maintaining vastly superior white levels, "punch", and color saturation. This is exactly the way MM and PB-Maxx described the expected performance before I built it, but reading about it, and seeing the results with my own eyes are two different things.

It looks much more detailed, and three dimensional. In only "decent" (at night with a LOT of ambient light in the room) viewing conditions it looks like a self illuminated flat panel display. During the day with half a window shade left open, it comes close to that. I have also noticed that when doing a calibration using the Spears & Munsil HD disc, I am able to get closer to the ideal when it comes to the brightness and contrast calibration screens. Meaning the shadow detail (brightness) and white level details (contrast) are better.

I think the performance of this screen is remarkable, and would recommend this approach to someone else without reservation.

Below is a link to the thread dedicated to the construction of this screen, which includes many screen shots. I may add some directly to this post later. It takes me too much time to upload shots to do it now.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1307389/new-2-35-1-silver-fire-screen-project
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Silver Fire "version"

Silver Fire v2.5 - 3.0

Screen Size

107" (odd size I know, but I custom made it to the maximum width to fit over the fireplace)

Projector

Epson 5010

Substrate Material painted upon

Sintra 6mm

Method of application /Equipment used

No-name sprayer recommended on these forums

Component availability

Great
I ordered everything ~2 weeks in advance so I had plenty of time for all of the paint to arrive.

Opinion on Mixing effort

Medium
All of the LiquidBasics paints were difficult to remove from the measuring cups. I ended up using my fingers to get it all out of the cups, then used a scraper to get the excess paint off of my fingers.
Also, I would warn people that they will need a 2 Gallon container to mix all of the paint. When I started, I was putting everything into a 1 gallon container. Once I had the reflectivity components in, I had to transfer all of the paint to another container as it was clear that it was all not going to fit.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Visible from ~3 feet
I am assuming this means texture? If so, there is a slight texture if you get right against the screen. It is not visible at all from any distance.

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None visible
If I get my face against the screen with a complete white image being projected, I can see some sparkle, but at any distance there is none. I would say they disappear at ~2-3 feet away.


Hot Spotting :

None
I oriented my screen with a 100% white background being displayed through my HTPC. The image looked completely smooth and the same consistent white color over the entire screen.


Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )


Is this a thing with projectors?
I have an open floor plan where I can view the projector at almost a complete side view. There is no loss to image at all.


Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

O.o
I can't fully describe the difference between this screen and my old one which was a ~$500 'high contrast' motorized drop down screen. The picture is brighter. There is -more- contrast. The colors are more accurate. The build quality is -far- superior (looks like a $1000+ screen). There simply isn't a comparison. If I wanted to purchase a screen that gives the same performance and look that this one gives, I would have to spend a LOT of money.

Closing statements of your choice

I want to comment on the difficulty of painting a good screen with the Silver Fire.

I paint at a third grade level. I'm so bad at painting, that once, I volunteered at a church that was finishing construction on a new building and they asked me to stop. (this is with a roller)

For this project, I purchased the no-name sprayer recommended on the forums (now I have a sprayer for other projects as well, and honestly.. you buy a new roller and pan for every project anyway so I think this comes out cheaper). I also used the recommended Sintra board, which I am very happy with although it was a little expensive at $130 locally. I did NOT want to mess up on a board that expensive. I did a total of 9 steady duster coats. I had a slightly damp cloth close by and examined the surface closely after each coat. If I saw any bubbles or small runs, I immediately dabbed them with the cloth to get rid of them. While it took a LONG time to finish painting 9 coats with 1 minute of spraying followed by an hour of waiting, the results are flawless.

Also, the color components came out a maroon-brown color that darkened to a deep dark brown after mixing for ~5 minutes. The acrylic components are VERY thick, so mix your paint a LOT when combining them all together. I think I spent over an hour combining and mixing the paint alone.
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Silver Fire "version"

2.5, 3.0

Screen Size

120, maybe a few inches smaller than that.

Projector

Panasonic PT-AX100U & PT-AE4000

Substrate Material painted upon

Blackout Cloth stretched over a frame.

Method of application /Equipment used

No-name spray gun.

Component availability

Hobby Lobby. Only problem was how early they close each day.

Opinion on Mixing effort

Just get the right equipment and it's very simple.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

No such thing, unless I'm confused on what those are.

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Again, nothing I can see.

Hot Spotting :

*Bad (noticeably brighter in the center of the screen )

No.

*Moderate (White / Color Detail is crushed Due to intense reflection)

No.

*Slight (Slight sheen only noticeable within the brightest white content)

No.

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

Hardly any, unless you're at a severe angle. One seat in our room is off to the far left, very close to the screen, at about a 40 degree or so line. I always offer to change places with friends when they sit there, asking them if they can see OK, and they always insist that they are fine. It isn't perfect from that angle, but this isn't a problem with the paint.

Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

I went to a small professional installer a few months ago when looking at new 1080 models. He showed me an Epson 8700 on some kind of Firehawk screen, and I was not impressed at all. The image from the projector was incredible, but it still felt flat. The perceived contrast boost from the Silver Fire really makes the screen come alive, in ways that continue to impress me as I use it.

Closing statements of your choice

The only way I could be more satisfied with this stuff is if I'd thought of it myself and had spent more time and effort on my screen. I will be moving soon to a new house and will be completely redoing the theater and really can't wait to do all the little things just a little better this time around. It's seriously awesome stuff and the people who helped make it happen and walk me through the steps are amazing.
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Silver Fire "version"

Silver Fire v3.0

Screen Size

122"

Projector

Epson 8350

Substrate Material painted upon

Sintra 6mm

Method of application /Equipment used

No-name sprayer recommended on these forums

Component availability
Got everything except the silver Rustoleum paint, got that online

Opinion on Mixing effort

PitA...used syringes at first and then spoons. Messy and the paint is thick so it was hard to measure

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

Very slight

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.


Very slight, not really noticable


Hot Spotting :

None



Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )



Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

1st one

Closing statements of your choice

I'm so happy I did this myself. It was a pain at times but just to be able to tell friends I built and painted it myself is great. The sprayer also worked great. I did about 3 dusters and 2-3 heavier coats. I was scared when it was really sparkly for awhile until it fully dried the next day.


Starting my first HT project!
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Silver Fire "version"

V2.1 4.0

Screen Size

145"

Projector

Original: Epson EX71
Current: Panasonic PT-AR100U
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1358778/panasonic-pt-ar100-msrp-1-999-4000u-replacement-kind-of/870#post_22977370

Substrate Material painted upon

Wall (after mudding/sanding/priming)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1355192/advice-on-156-painted-wall-screen-18-throw-2500-lumens-lots-of-ambient-light


Method of application /Equipment used

Graco HVLP

Component availability

Had to hit every Michael's in town, but eventually got everything within a week or two.

Opinion on Mixing effort

Thanks to the forum everything went as expected, just measure carefully and use water rinse to get everything measured into the bucket.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

There are absolutely no speckles visible from any distance.

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

There are absolutely no sparklies visible from any distance.

Hot Spotting

*Slight (Slight sheen only noticeable within the brightest white content) from a 2800 lumen cannon, 145" screen, seated at 12-14' smile.gif
Note: Was worse when first painted, but after 1 year is not really noticeable now.

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

I have viewers looking from all angles with no issues. Very happy.

Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

I did not have a projection screen previously to compare to.

Closing statements of your choice

After 1 year plus the screen is holding up great and is actually better now in the hot spotting department. With the PT-AR100U I cannot imagine a better setup for a living room with lots of ambient light than I have now (although I may try an "uber" grey screen to fight the ambient light demons at some future date).

MM, you helped me out tremendously along the way. Thanks much!
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Bumping for more updated content from new End Users.

C'mon....you know who you are....

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"I'm laughing at the superior intellect"
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Now that my screen is finished and I've had a couple weeks to live with it, I figured it was time to reply to this thread...

Silver Fire "version"
v2 with 3.0 coloration

Screen Size
120"

Projector
Epson 5020ub

Substrate Material painted upon
Sintra 6mm

Method of application /Equipment used
Graco Spraystation recommended on these forums with the 1.5mm needle

Component availability
Purchased through Amazon, MisterArt.com, Home Depot, and Lowes

Opinion on Mixing effort
At first I tried a small measuring cup and then switched to a syringe. Should have switched sooner as I got way too much red and had to even it out afterwards by adding green. It's a messy business but with a well covered area and a lot of paper towels it's not too bad of a hassle. I just wish I had known how to get more accurate measurements of the really thick acrylic components

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.
None visible

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.
On white scenes I do have sparkles. It doesn't bother me as much as the hotspot did on my Elite screen but it is definitely visible. More so when I have my PJ set to Livingroom mode for daytime viewing.


Hot Spotting :
No hot spotting at all, just some sparkles

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )
Narrow room doesn't give me the option to get at an angle where I'd see a limitation.


Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.
The color is better and the light distribution is better than it was on my 92" Elite Sable Frame screen though it is spreading the light out much further and from further away.

Closing statements of your choice
I'm very happy with how this screen turned out but I do have a couple small issues. First, it does sparkle some. Second, I underestimated the power of the window that faces the screen from the back of the room. That causes some major ambient light issues with this screen that I'd hoped to get around. I also backlit my screen with LEDs, which causes some light to reflect back on the screen but I understood that going in to this. To fix these issues I'm painting the room grey, putting blinds on the small window, and may put a black band on the ceiling. If I was giving advice to future Dave, I'd have gone with Silver Fire 4.0 instead and used more accurate measuring utensils.

With all that being said, I do want to be clear that I am happy I went this route instead of the commercial route. I am pretty convinced that even after all the money I paid contractors to help me wire the basement for surround sound, drywall over a window, help me build and mount the frame, I probably spend half what I would have for an off the shelf solution.

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Silver Fire "version"

SF V2.5 5.5

Screen Size

121".

Projector

Vivitek D950HD

Substrate Material painted upon

Drywall

Method of application /Equipment used

Skim coat with joint compound, 3 coats primer with light sanding at the end, Graco HV2900 with 1.5mm needle to spray SF

Component availability

Color available at Michael's, base and viscocity materials available at local home depot, had to order metallic accent from amazon

Opinion on Mixing effort

Started out well with the base and viscocity components, paint was kind of thick and hard to work with, tried syringe to start off, but moved to measuring spoons.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None observed

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None observed

Hot Spotting :

I got nothing

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

have probably gone all the way out to about a 60 degree angle and have no discoloration or changes in image quality

Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

This is my first dedicated screen, was just projecting on white wall before this and obviously it is a drastic difference.

Closing statements of your choice

All in all this is a great product, I have a neighbor that paid WAY more than I did to complete his, and I have to say my results are just as good if not better than his. I was able to complete the entire process in a weekend (including all prep) and am VERY please with the results. I went with the darker mix in order to take advantage of available lumens and boost contrast and it paid off.

Full ambient Light:


Curtains up, lights off:
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Silver Fire "version"

I'm overdue for posting here. I painted my screen about a year and half ago, so I'm not sure about what version I have. It was up to date at the time, with enough of the color mix to make for good Ambient light viewing.

Screen Size

110".

Projector

Epson 8350

Substrate Material painted upon

Drywall

Method of application /Equipment used

I used the GRACO HV2900 that was recommended here and on sale from Ebay at the time.

Component availability

Some stuff from Amazon, some from my local art supply store.

Opinion on Mixing effort

Getting the color measured with syringes was a little tricky, but nothing I couldn't handle.

Speckles? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None

Sparklies? If none, or not visible from a distance, please clearly state.

None

Hot Spotting :

None

Viewing Cone width or limitations (...if any... )

It has a great viewing cone.

Opinion on performance based on any known past comparison if possible.

Before this I had a rolled on screen, that was a recommended paint with some polyurethane mixed in. It was a noticeable improvement.

Closing statements of your choice

I actually painted my screen twice. Luckily the mix was big enough that allowed me to do that. I painted one weekend my wife and daughter were out of town. I previously had sanded down my screen and had the rolled on paint mixed with polyurethane. I thought I could just paint on top of that. The paint went on without a problem. The issue I ran into was that because of the improved paint all the imperfections of the wall stood out much more than they did before. Silverfire was too good for my wall. After looking at the imperfections for a week I decided I needed to try a round two. I got some compound and using a wet sand technique I did my best to smooth out my surface. It's still probably not as good as if I'd actually used the mud mixtures talked about in these forums, but I got the wall much smother than it was. I repainted it, and have been enjoying it ever since.

NOW, here's why after having enjoyed it for a year and half, I was motivated to come here and give overdue thanks to MississippiMan and the other developers. I recently saw some videos extolling the virtues of Screen Innovations Black Diamond screens. They made it seem like they'd made a major break through in screen technology, that was miles ahead of anything else. I thought maybe they'd achieved something that was worth the upgrade. I started scouring craigslist to see if I could pick one up cheap $1500 instead of $3000. But before making the plunge, I went to a local dealer, and they had a sample. I brought it home, and held it up to my SilverFire. My wife and I couldn't discern a noticeable improvement. The blacks were about the same my existing screen, and the whites weren't as bright. The black diamond was actually making my picture darker than the SilverFire mix. So, I have new found respect for my $200 dollar screen.
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