Originally Posted by smokarz
A few months back , if people have been here a while, noticed that MM was raving about this Moleskin Spandex stuff and claiming it would perform just as well if not better than the manufacture materials both visually and acoustically. He was reccomending the Moleskin all over the forums to new members like it was the hot product of the year. Well, I admit that I bought into the hype, and considering that it was pretty cheap I would give it a try. Well, my impressions of it was pretty well documented in this thread and recent testings both here and elsewhere confirm that both visually and acoustically, it is quite subpar.
However, I am SHOCKED to have just discovered that MM was reccomending this material and hyping it without ever SEEN IT (just look at this most recent posts above). He never saw the spandex, he never touched it, let alone build a screen out of it until just recently. And for a man that never provided a single data point on testings/measurements, always attempt to discredit others and quickly seek to dismissed their data. I am not quite sure what to make of it.
Quite the expose' eh? Very adamant in your presentation. Almost dripping with self righteous indignation.
So here is the skinny.
Spandex has been used for well over 6-7 years. It was acknowledged that using Silver Moleskin would help Contrast and provide some ambient light resistance, but that one would have to have a very sufficently powered PJ to compensate for it's tendency to absorb light.
Well fast forward to the last 16-18 months. Renewed interest in a viable DIY AT application developed, and a few very through and concise members gave it a shot again, and felt very satisfied. Between what I had read coming from members from quite a while back (...when most did not have sufficient lumen...) about their results...both the Roses & Thorns...it was easy enough to determine Spandex's net worth, and limitations.
So look to the present day - 12 months past> Absolutely, based on what I had read and discussed with other members, if someone was looking for a inexpensive DIY AT Screen, I had no compunction about suggesting Spandex. And I always let a Poster know the good, and the "not so good"...and advised them of the need for having at least 2000+ lumens. Or more...2500 - 3000 lumen.
Every one. Even you, smokarz.
At issue is the fact that you as an individual did not like the suggested material (...you didn't have the suggested lumen output either, did you...?) so you looked elsewhere. Good.
But a lot more people than just you are not grousing and being accusatory or insulting....either. Perhaps they listened...or understood things more clearly.
In any case, after the recent tests, as well as seeing at least two members have a bit of difficulty getting the brightness they wanted, I did in fact stop suggesting the Silver Moleskin over White, (I even held off on another Spandex Screen project because of the more recently posted results...) opting to recommend the White over Silver, which was the combination that garnered a lot more acceptance. And...I while I looked at Metallic Spandex I found and ordered the Light Silver Milliskin, while almost simultaneously another member did as well, and his observations encouraged me to press ahead.
And as a result of what I did read, and by experimenting with the Milliskin in hand against a variety of painted Screens, i felt more that justified in suggestion both Light Silver over White, and White over Light Silver (all Milliskin..) as being the best combination.....of any so far to date. I made some Screens. I accomplished what I intended. I have been hoping for some tests to come in to show the actual advantages....or not.
But here's the facts....anyone who is doing DIY must accept that their own results might not measure up to expectations. That one person's experience isn't a success does not mean that all other similar efforts are doomed to failure. And BTW, you won't find a single post by me where I ever claimed direct use of Spandex....until recently. And when i did use it, I said that was the case. I advised of it's potential and uses based on many written attestations by AVS members. And now I'm a member of that Club myself.
You said you didn't know what to think....now you can think on it in detail. And while thinking....think about all the members who are in fact happy with their Spandex recommendation. They do count in all this, you know.