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Very nice build Brian. And a great screen shot.

thanks! and it was just with a crappy cell phone....

thanks for starting this thread!! huge ispiration...so excited how it came out

and so easy

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thanks! and it was just with a crappy cell phone....

thanks for starting this thread!! huge ispiration...so excited how it came out

and so easy

glad you enjoyed it. credits go to all the contributors of the thread.
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Spandex World

Well my theater room is almost done (need the electrician to come back to put in outlets/switches and light trim/plates). Since I blew out my budget a DIY AT screen looks like it is in the cards. For now I will just use a data projector on a table. I'm envisioning going with a Epson 8350 or Panny 8000 by end of the year. I had the contractor place the boxes in the ceiling for the low voltage and power plug at 17' from the front screen wall.

I'm having my contractor purchase a couple of straight 1x4's in order to make a 125" 2.35:1 screen.


I see that I actually work on the same street as Spandex World and that they have a retail store. If I can break out early from work I will head over and purchase 3 yards each of matte white and grey.
Since they are local hopefully it wont be too hard to pick up some different material if I'm not happy down the road with my selection.
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ordered my spandex and got an expected ship date of Monday, can't wait to see this material bring my projector's true capabilities to light pun intended.
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In the past, it has been recommended to order your screen material rolled on a form to minimize wrinkles. Have any of you received miliskin spandex folded for shipping and did you have any troubles with wrinkles? If wrinkles were an issue, what did you do to remove them?

Just curious, thanks.
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It is always best to avoid wrinkles in the first place, but if you receive folded spandex you can always iron the material as long as the iron is at the appropriate setting for the material. You can also lightly wet the material and put it in the dryer on a de-wrinkle cycle.
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It is always best to avoid wrinkles in the first place, but if you receive folded spandex you can always iron the material as long as the iron is at the appropriate setting for the material. You can also lightly wet the material and put it in the dryer on a de-wrinkle cycle.
I did not get mine rolled and due to unforeseen delays it sat in the box for a month folded up. I still had no issues with wrinkles. I stretched out the fabric and do not see any issues with the screen. Maybe I got lucky, but if you can get it rolled why take the chance.

I missed that part about getting it on a roll when ordering. Sometimes when you start a project you get so excited that you miss important items like that.

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Mine came folded and I was a little worried when I laid it out with all the lines it had in it. But once you give it any kind of stretch at all the wrinkles come right out. This stuff is SUPER easy to work with!
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When I had ordered my spandex material, I specifically requested it to be shipped on the roll, if you were to order any high end brand of screen material, they would not fold it.
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Is cedar a viable option as opposed to poplar. Cedar is 1/3 the price of poplar and is listed as having high resistance to warping? 1x4 cedar boards 8' in length. Making a 100" screen.
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If it is a good option. I'll be pissed haha. Poplar was very expensive. It was 80$ for the wood

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I was looking at materials online and saw poplar was really expensive so i started looking at alternatives. Poplar seems a little smoother but for the price diff i could do some sanding. Ill wait for MM to chime in on it.
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Heh... I had to do a doubletake on seeing poplar described as being expensive -- popular is easily one of the most affordable hardwood species out there, with typical board-foot prices often half that of oak or maple (for common species).

But yeah, this is an AV forum and not a woodworking one, and if you're comparing it to softwood species like cedar, pine, spruce, etc then it's definitely going to be on the high end.

In general, poplar is going to be less bendy than the typical softwoods. Poplar has a "Modulus of Elasticity" (MOD) of roughly 11 GPa, while Western Red Cedar has a MOD of only 7.5 GPa. Simplified, that means that Poplar has 50% more resistance to bending than Cedar.

Still, we're not talking about huge amounts of pressure here. Cedar should be fine for making a frame, if you can find reasonably straight pieces. You might also consider pine, if you can find straight boards, since that has a MOD closer to the hardwood side.
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Thank you for the explanation! I really appreciate it. The cost for redwood is about 4 dollars for an 8 ft section. Alot cheaper than poplar. With that said if poplar would hold up better (depending on stress level) it would be a better investment. Believe i am going to try and use cedar and see how it goes. Will report back when its made.
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Easier to remove wrinkles by getting a hand towel wet, throw it with the wrinkled item in the dryer. It will steam the wrinkles out. This works for dress shirt, spandex, whatever. Getting it wet COULD stain it, no reason to risk that

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Putting 12 feet of material in the drier doesn't seem like s good option

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Putting 12 feet of material in the drier doesn't seem like s good option
Not a issue.

If one can Tumble Dry a King Sized Bed Comforter, drying a lightweight material such as Spandex with a single Dampened Hand Towel isn't gonna be a problem.

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Thank you for the explanation! I really appreciate it. The cost for redwood is about 4 dollars for an 8 ft section. Alot cheaper than poplar. With that said if poplar would hold up better (depending on stress level) it would be a better investment. Believe i am going to try and use cedar and see how it goes. Will report back when its made.
Absolutely a BAD idea. Cedar* does not have the rigidity of Poplar, and it WILL warp over time. Ditto Redwood.*...even though it is a denser wood than Cedar.

The softest wood I would ever consider / have used was Kiln Dried Premium Pine, and that only when the Screen being made was REALLY big, large enough to justify using 2 x 4s. Even then I used at least 5 interior vertical 2 x 3 braces, and built the Frame's exterior with the 2 x 4s on edge...not Flat.

There is a valid reason why Kiln Dried Poplar cost more...being a Hardwood it better material to use for such finish framing projects. Redwood and Cedar are more suited for Trim and Flat Siding.

* I have seen 4x4s of both materials develop bows and twists along unsupported lengths, let alone 1 x 2s and 1 x 4s. Both materials are meant to be nailed down.

Not to say a well braced Frame of well dried soft wood can't suffice, but to be safe it should have 2x as many bracing supports, so in the end you'll spend approx the same amount of cash and even more time constructing.

...and with Cedar, be certain to sand the surface that will come into contact with the Spandex good and smooth, lest the wood snag the cloth when you stretch it over it.

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MM thank you for your input. I will just play it safe and use the poplar. Once i get caught up on bills that is. As when i last talked to you about my screen i discovered i would need open heart surgery shortly after. I was denied my disability that i paid for through aflac so money has been really tight. I go back to work tomorrow after 3 months with no income. So when i do get cauht up i will be building my screen. Still suggest i use the silver over black for the hd66 with perfect light control? As i said before i trust your opinion and appreciate the advice.
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Wow....sounds like open season on a certain white Duck I know.

Well at least your blessed with making a recovery.

Yes...with a 100" screen and a PJ w/2500 lumen output but only 4000:1 contrast, Silver over Black will certainly give you the deeper black levels most covet.

Then again, White Milliskin over Black might provide you with better detail and less loss of reflectivity. That choice should also allow you to run in a calibrated & optimized Low Lamp mode if desired, as well as continue to provide a brighter image as the lamp ages.

Now you stay on the mend, ya hear?

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Thanks again MM. I hope one day to be as smart as you with this stuff! Yes i have filed with the insurance board against them. I was thinking since im very well light controlled i might be better off with the white over black. But in all honesty have no clue? I am able to use just 2 yds with a stretch of 30% (from what i hear) so i might consider attempting both or trying one a little later down the road for testing. I will keep on the mend but its hard sometimes in the mechanics world ty again MM
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In my setup. White over black is astounding. I have a 14' the how onto a 130" diagonal 2.35 screen. The image is incredible. And that's in rec709 Eco mode

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I'm Aflac Phyllis, an Aflac worldwide headquarters employee here to help. I'm so sorry that you're having an unpleasant Aflac experience. Please email your contact information to us so we can assist you. Please include the following in the subject line of your email: PS3forlife October 12, 2014 avsforum.com post. Also, in an effort to protect our policyholders' identities and policy/claim information, Aflac has established corporate privacy procedures . Therefore, if you are a policyholder, when you email us, in the body of the email, please provide the nature of your concern, your name AND AT LEAST TWO of the following criteria: Policy number, Claim number, Claim Check number, Date of Birth, or Name of your Employer.We await the opportunity to assist you!
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They must monitor any complaint on the internet. Not a bad idea. It is just surprising how quickly they found his post and reacted to it.
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Yeah, that's pretty much the only effective way to get a response from some companies. These days, don't bother going to the Better Business Bureau or any of the traditional routes -- just post to a very popular forum where lots of people will read or see it and BAM, you get your response.

Can't say I ever thought of AVS as being that high profile, though, since you typically need Twitter, Facebook, or YouTube to make an impact..
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Already had a response from them in another form. The comittee conveined and they still denied me. This is a matter for the ohio insurance board now. Please do not contact me on here i have been nice about this whole situation up to this point. Even my agent believes i should have gotten paid but the final decision was a denial. Phyllis i appreciate the offer but i exhausted all avenues with trying through your company. Insurance board was sent a complaint. Their findings will tell if i am entitled or not. I know many others have had great service but i am extremely dissapointed. Again thanks for the offer.
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OT !


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I finally made it to Spandex World this week. I purchased 4 yards each of matte white and the gunmetal.

I had them put it on a roll.

Boy all I can say is they had some really wild prints in that store.
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