Originally Posted by smokarz
Eyes, ears, and the brains are the poorest of measurement tools.
However...in the end, and concerning the End User, those items are all that matter.
And it's also been proven that basic mono-colored screens with no additional elements within their make-up / construction do not / cannot achieve anything but the most basic performance.
So others have used "Testing" to their advantage solely to attempt to give their own efforts more credence than others. They NEEDED to do so because the results as shown did not justify the obtrusive comments and disclaiming of the results of DIY efforts provided by other applications. And throughout it all, they choose to blatantly ignore all the very many postings of satisfied End Users who have moved beyond previous "basic" attempts, and instead try to exploit and give undue weight to the very few who have taken some issue, many times twisting the truth and ignoring obvious other reasons. . As a matter of fact, they do so knowing they cannot suffer rebuttal because the 'control' all postings, and woe to the Poster who differs with their opinions. They have repeatedly treated those with differing opinions like pariahs, dismissing any / everything positive they have to say.
You ask why we publish no tests? Primarily because it became a point of difference...to not kowtow to "demands" when this Forum was / has always been focused on the DIY'er and what he
can / does accomplish. DIY'ers use their eyes and experience, not several thousand dollars worth of test equipment to judge their efforts. The entire drive for Testing didn't come about as being intended to be helpful, but as a outright attempt to try to disprove and eliminate certain DIY applications and their Advocates. It was used as a Club to assault people with. And a justification for making adverse comments. A very few members did do extensive Testing and direct example comparisons, and did so evenhandedly. But by and large it all centered around creating a contentious atmosphere. Add to that the fact that other, even more experienced and learned Members easily picked apart the methods and conclusions drawn by those trying their very best to dissuade others from even considering other popular DIY applications in favor of their own, as well as their use of totally misleading examples (reversed imagery
) and the motive the advocates of "Testing" had for doing so becomes silly obvious. *
Bluntly put, to read such biased and intentionally misleading and denigrating content, one has to frequent a place where the Moderators / Members both have leave to post such tripe and encourage such. And they know it's contagious....because on the Internet, adversity and such always captures more attention.....and mimicry. It's called the "Lemming Effect"
And it continues....always. Exclamations of outright dismissal of worth and insulting references are made at every opportunity. None of that speaks of maintaining a balanced overview, or a level headed approach at helping others. References are made as to how I and others read posts on another site, as if such is to be construed as being bad, all the while not relating about how not only that sort of thing but the actual disingenuous and covert intrusion of false members onto this Forum with the express purpose to create controversy and discord was and still is commonly done.
This Forum exists as a place to help others. When anyone, yourself included, comes on to post exclamations that effectively dismiss the validity of everything else but what they / you want to consider as being worthwhile or effective, there will be a response to the contrary. You parroted a familiar and commonly used but wholly false assumption repeatedly stated elsewhere...that I only refer members to my own select applications. Nothing is further from the truth. Spandex / Flat Neutral Grays / Bright White Paints / just about any / everything that is a DIY application has been both mentioned and suggested by me to those whose situation and budget demanded such.
But don't even begin to expect me to favor a basic Gray or White over any singular or varied advanced applications proven by actual use over several years to be not just effective, but exemplary in performance. I have enough experience that i can...and do recommend what is best for people....not what I merely want then to use. Any suggestion to the contrary is a personal insult to my own knowledge and integrity. Just as advanced Mfg Screens like the Black Diamond and Silver Star and Super Nova all have their strong points, almost anyone who wants to can also easily point out their failings and issues as well. It is how that "pointing" is done and with what express intent...to be helpful and informative, or misleading and malicious that sets the person doing such posting up for their own judgement by others.
I / we will continue to keep things "simple" on AVS by simply doing everything / anything we can to help people realize their goals and do our very best to have their results exceed expectations. That seldom happens with a Flat Gray / White paint. But when those venerable applications are what needs to be considered, they too will get the mention they deserve.
Anyone who disagrees with that mandate is always welcome to NOT post...and if contentious and confrontational posting is their goal, they should be informed that they should exercise that desire elsewhere.
Disagree? No problem. Post such feelings in a courteous manner and all is as it should be. Attempt to belittle or create issues, get Threads locked or deleted, insult or create discomfiture for Members or their efforts to help others and it won't stand up against Forum Rules.*
BTW....in the past I repeatedly posted Threads that did extensive comparisons between advanced DIY Apps and basic Whites & Gray applications. The unbiased regaled over the posted results. Everyone who was against such deliberately interjected insulting comments, dismissive opinions, and did everything possible to disrupt the intent of the Threads involved and get them Closed. Sadly, at the time they started such antics, they were able to do so quite frequently. I say that with strong conviction because incredibly, that intent was voiced repeatedly. And you can point a finger to specifically just about 5-6 individuals who did so repeatedly. Those individuals left / had to leave this Forum because their efforts brought down condemnation and punishments especially when their adverse comments and accusations turned toward Forum Moderators and Owners. So let "THEM"
read this....and remember that such actions in the past serve to make any effort to continue such elsewhere seem all the more obvious as far as motive and intent, and can only serve to belittle their own claims of doing so to help others.
In closing I must admit my own part in things, as being the staunch advocate of taking DIY to levels others never dreamed possible. That's my burden and I bear it with distinct pride. That it serves to make me apt to defend "ALL" of DIY screen making" as well as applications I personally feel are worthy of consideration isn't to my reasoning a justification for being ostracized. However I do regret my having to usually be the one most such adversity is directed to (...some know this all too well...and exploit it mercilessly...) and my own inclination to post defensive replies to such. Once again, that is my burden to bear...and I'm not always too happy that I feel obliged to do so.fatestkid,
I personally apologize for my responses contributing toward turning your thread into something you never intended.