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So its been over a year for my projector (ceiling mounted, ~10 feet away from screen), and I want to enhance my DIY screen:


Long story short, I saw a friend have a professional screen and the colors on his screen were very vibraint compared to mine (mine felt "dull").

So I am looking into which is a good screen paint solution for me based on size/projector? I was thinking the Silverscreen, but people complained it was too dark?
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Well....the 8100 can certainly benefit from a high performance surface. (You failed to mention what you are currently using and it's size, or what it was you saw...I'm .curious to know what a "professional" screen is...)

You'll have several choices, that range from faily simple to more complex. The eventual choice will center upon what exactly you want / need.

If you just want "Pop & Sizzle" with accurate colors, RS-MaxxMudd standard might be the easiest choice that would surely fill the slot. Supply just a little more info and it will be off to the races.wink.gif

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I have the same projector.

Went from a WA laminate screen, to SW Unique Gray paint, to SW Extra White paint, to Spandex.
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To give a rough size, my screen is about 10x5 feet (rough estimate), and I am using blackout cloth for the fabric.

Do I need to get me some spandex paint?
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Spandex is not a paint. It's a stretchable fabric.

There's quite a few builds here with the spandex material. Take a look and see if that fits your need.

IMO, if I didn't need the acoustic transparency of the spandex, I would have stayed with my SW Extra White painted screen.
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Ah, I dont want to actually replace my material just paint.

Is this the paint you are referring to?
http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7006/

Wouldn't something gray give me more richer colors (better blacks?)
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Ah, I dont want to actually replace my material just paint.
Is this the paint you are referring to?
http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7006/
Wouldn't something gray give me more richer colors (better blacks?)

It would, and you would be best served by considering my suggested application, as no White is going to help the 8100 out "contrast-wise" at the screen, and any basic Gray is going to reduce gain...something you do not want.

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It would, and you would be best served by considering my suggested application, as no White is going to help the 8100 out "contrast-wise" at the screen, and any basic Gray is going to reduce gain...something you do not want.

So doing a quick google search these materials would be sufficient?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1372011/rs-maxxmudd-for-first-timer#post_21194530

Then get a squirrel cage to mix all of em together?

Would the materials listed in that video be enough for 2 coats?


edit: I actually noticed the various types, which one is the "regular" one?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1139061/rs-maxxmudd-mix-the-official
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RS-MaxxMudd v.2(for low to moderate ambient light)

16 oz. Liquitex Basics Silver
12 oz. Delta Pearl Finish #02601
8 oz. Behr 1850 UPW flat

12 oz. Minwax Polycrylic - Satin finish
15 oz. distilled/tap water**

PMaxx or MM can correct me if I am mistaken, but this , I believe, is the standard version that MM is recommending vs. the "LL" or "Retro" versions
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My room is completed sealed off, so there is no outside lights coming in (besides the door crack...but I only watch at night anyways)...would the HGC v.2 be a better choice?
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My room is completed sealed off, so there is no outside lights coming in (besides the door crack...but I only watch at night anyways)...would the HGC v.2 be a better choice?

You would do better with "LL" than the HGC. But better still as far as preserving Black Levels with Standard. Best of all with "Retro"

The 8100 cannot be construed as being "lumen challenged" , but when delivering it's image onto a 10' x 5' screen, it still needs a surface that will utilize, not waste all the light it receives.

The key-most element in this is to have you be able to calibrate / run the PJ while in Low Lamp mode. You'll get the best Black Levels and Color accuracy, but you need LL's 1.3 gain to get'ter dun if employing Low Lamp.

The big choice: Brightest Possible image at 10' x 5' with great Blacks....or the deepest possible Blacks but a reduction (small) in overall brightness.

Myself, I always tip toward "Brightest with Great Blacks". I love PoP & SiZZle

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So the LL one it is:
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RS-MaxxMudd LL v.2(for lower lumen pj's and controlled light home theaters)

20 oz. Delta Pearl Metallic #02601
8 oz. Liquitex Basics Silver
12 oz. UPW flat

12 oz. Minwax Polycrylic - Satin finish
15 oz. distilled/tap water**
this is the only mix of the rs-maxxmudd family that can be rolled

One thing I noticed in this one is that I can simply use a roller to do it? Can I basically use this technique shown in this video for this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8IoRIxUq5I

And last, the amounts listed...how much screen/surface area do they cover? Should I double our quadruple everything? I am assuming I will need atleast half a gallon for a few coats?
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If you plan to run the Epson 8100 in low lamp at its most accurate setting (Natural). It will produce very little lumens.

Yes, I've been living with an Epson 8100 and have tried 3 different screens and have calibrated the PJ on different modes.
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If you plan to run the Epson 8100 in low lamp at its most accurate setting (Natural). It will produce very little lumens.
Yes, I've been living with an Epson 8100 and have tried 3 different screens and have calibrated the PJ on different modes.

Hmmm just SW extra white seems much easier...just to be sure is this the paint your referring to?
http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7006/
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Hmmm just SW extra white seems much easier...just to be sure is this the paint your referring to?
http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/color/find-and-explore-colors/paint-colors-by-family/SW7006/


I think that's it. You want the paint in this article.

You will like it. Bright, neutral, and has the pop factors.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/paint_perfect_screen_$100.htm
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I think that's it. You want the paint in this article.
You will like it. Bright, neutral, and has the pop factors.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/paint_perfect_screen_$100.htm

Awesome article! Seems like they want us to get the: Sherwin-Williams ProClassic Smooth Enamel Satin Extra White, # B20 W 51


So I have 2 quick questions...what type of primer should I use on my board (I am using a board w/ stretched blackout cloth)

And if rolling, what type of roller should I use? The really fluffy kinds?
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Awesome article! Seems like they want us to get the: Sherwin-Williams ProClassic Smooth Enamel Satin Extra White, # B20 W 51
So I have 2 quick questions...what type of primer should I use on my board (I am using a board w/ stretched blackout cloth)
And if rolling, what type of roller should I use? The really fluffy kinds?


Yeah, some people want you to believe that OTS paints are garbage.

I never understand why people want to paint on BOC or Spandex. It's not a solid surface.

Why not just paint on the board?

You want to use Kilz 2 for primer. Find good quality 1/4" or 3/8" nap roller. And obviously, do some test runs before painting the screen.
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Does oil based or water based primer matter?
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You should definitely use water-based.
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