Just so as to settle the issue........
Originally Posted by RTK
So you ordered the Jamestown screen with XD but installed 2 layer milliskin instead because you didn't want any screen texture? would love to hear how the two, XD vs. Milliskin matte compare in your setup
Originally Posted by RTK With the lights on, its not surprising the silver milliskin was preferable
. With the lights turned off, how does it compare? How big is your unopened XD screen and is it angled?
Well gosh gee willkers.....it seems that you did ask about a comparison between XD & Milliskin. Then you followed up with a confirming response about Brian's observations, and even (OMG!) asked for yet another comparison. While your question might have been referring to the CineWhite, your wording didn't do much to allude to that, especially seeing your immediate follow-up question about the XD:
Originally Posted by brian6751
i watched Jack Reacher tonight. the silver over white milliskin works really good. my BenQ w1070 definitely benefits from the gray screen. looks much better with the lights on than my Elite 1.1 gain Cinewhite did and there is zero texture. unfortunately, the screen frame is bowing a little bit but i will install a couple more french cleats to support it better.
at this point, knowing the acoustic attributes of the two layer milliskin, i would be totally happy not even trying the XD. the high contrast of the milliskin is a huge factor for me though so take that into consideration. i could open the XD and drape it over the screen to compare but i dont have any intent of keeping it so i think i would rather not open it. i think there are already comparisons of the two.
Brian's response was both direct and specific on two points:
a. The Silver>White Milliskin looked better...MUCH better than the Cinewhite with the lights on. Under that premise, it would be perfectly reasonable to conclude that the same reasons he liked it in ambient light would hold true in the dark. Gray enhanced Contrast = Blacker Black levels.
b. That he understood from the posted data that the Milliskin performed extremely well "acoustically" so combined with the high contrast, considering the XD was not on his agenda.
I responded in kind, yet it seems that your only focus was my supposedly "failing" to note your oblique reference to a Cinewhite / Milliskin comparison , which (...would'nt you know it....) had already been determined and noted.
Originally Posted by RTK
Two separate posts and you still continue to speak but refuse to read? The question was never how the spandex screen would compare in light setting vs. darkened room, it was how does his spandex screen compare to the Elite 1.1 gain Cinewhite in a darkened room.
Is that elementary enough for you?
Soooo...It seems that your only "agenda" was taking issue wherever you could conjure up some. Or...(horrors...) you simply forgot what you yourself had posted.
No problem, those who advocate Mfg Screen options often intrude upon DIY Screens to press that agenda, (...despite Forum rules to the contrary...) and if they encounter someone whose own purpose runs contrary, then some degree of confrontation is gonna occur. How far that goes and to what level it's taken, I can say without reservation that I don't start up with insulting or demeaning anyone.....however I'm not shy about touting the difference the combination of less expense and acceptable / exlemplary performance in a DIY app vs a Mfg app can make to a DIY'er.
A quick study across the various XD threads shows obvious disgruntlement over texture/ weave issues...and in fact there's a New Sheriff in town, Enlightor 4K whose lack of observable weave / texture renders XD / Sheerweave materials into "toilet paper" status in comparison as far as that issue goes. (...for TP usage only,
) Why it's almost amusing to see end user comments alluding to the fact that the surface of E-4K resembles a ultra fine woven cloth.(...gee, Spandex anyone?
) Now considering what some other E-4K users have said about comparing it to XD, does my commentary still strike you or anyone as being uninformed and off base?
RTK, you have absolutely no conception how far ranging my knowledge and involvement in Front Projection is. Much of what I do...and know... I choose not to relate, or am specifically told NOT
to relate. Yes, at times I use that collective knowledge to make judgmental assumptions as to applicability and preference, but never do I "blabber" about something I have no idea or knowledge about, even if such knowledge is garnered via reading extensively about the "collective" experience of other end users. For many, this is wholly acceptable, to pass on information based on observance, not actual personal experience. But in my case, it seems that I'm expected to have had personal experience with anything / everything I dare to post about.
The entire Spandex vs Mfg AT Material subject has been rife with just the same responses you made from those who take a similar stance as you did, and primarily the same reasons apply....they don't seem to read anything into my responses except what they deem most important to their subsequent posts. Yet not so surprisingly, my own "assumptions" and determinations made by my own personal experience all seem to be validated as time, when the actual experience by others is taken into account.
In truth, excepting your foray onto DIY Screens to make comments on Spandex, you have never had an interest or posted before on this Forum. I cannot be sure why you chose to dump on me and my comments to the point you did, I suspect it's because of some of the aforementioned comments by a select few others have tainted your reasoning.... but you should know that I spend every bit of my time and effort on AVS trying to advance DIY Screen making, by the use of true DIY methods and materials. I'll never shy away from that "agenda" and since I maintain that "agenda" on the Forum where the AVS rules dictate it should remain, I'll brook no effort to denigrate me for having such an "agenda".
I just don't "go there" using derogatory comments. Well, at least I don't start it.
And experience has shown that any response by me needs to be muted and as courteous as possible. That is not to say such comments and responses won't tend to embarrass or reveal the true intentions behind such "attacks" on my efforts. Experience has also shown that if such responses are not made, things only tend to get worse because a select few seem to feel empowered by any lack of rebuttal. It's really a sad circle, but I've been circling DIY Screens for a while now (...please, no Vulture comparisons...) and there is not much I miss on the Threads here, or across a very wide gamut of other Forum topics.
To the extent of all the above I also must apologize for having to post a missive like this. But the alternative would be far worse.
It is a fact that the discussion about "texture" and "Contrast" is both viable and acceptable, as stated by the Thread Starter a short while back. So none of us is guilty of discussing a non-relevant or OT subject.
However the posts concerning personal attacks...? That is a different story altogether I I hope you'll consider such should you determine to continue posting on DIY Screens.
As for me, I feel this last post pretty much settles the issue entirely, so I won't respond to anything again directed thus. I also promise not to intrude upon the Screens Forum and the XD / Sheerweave threads. There is enough going on there...they don't need any help.