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OK. I have built the wood frame using 1x4 redwood for top and bottom with four vertical poplar 1x3 holding them together. Frame dimensions are 64" high by 111" wide. After 2" felt tape border my viewing area will be 60" x 107".

I do not need an AT screen as my center and Front L&R speakers are already in place beside and below screen (center) and this will be a flat, wall mount screen.

I guess I need a 6 ft. by 10 ft. piece of screen material. But what? I've read unprinted Tyvek, blackout cloth, duck cloth???? What screen surface material is recommended and where is it available? Like to keep the cost down and saw this on Amazon, anybody care to comment?

http://www.amazon.com/Carls-ProWhite-71x126-inch-Projector-Material/dp/B00AJQB0LI/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1373918575&sr=8-14&keywords=projection+screen+material

Oh, projector is Espon 3020 and shooting image to wall from about 16 feet away. Also, recommendations as to how to secure the material - staples, velcro?

Thanks in advance for your help.
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Also, projector and screen are in a basement level rec room with no windows although some light from first floor stairwell above, good dimmable light control in rec room.
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I know all about that material and it has a lot of texture. Ask Carl instead for "Flexi-White" and tell him I told ya so!

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Does it cost more?

Why is it better?
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Does it cost more?

No. eek.gif
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Why is it better?

It stretches a wee bit....it's a smoother surface w/no visible weave.....and because I have used it and say so! mad.gif

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OK Cool, will give it a shot
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sound like the 69" by 122 should suffice given it stretches some
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Staples OK to secure it to wood frame? Anything better to recommend?
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Staples OK to secure it to wood frame? Anything better to recommend?

Staples actually work best. 1/4" Staples shot with a Overhand style Staple gun.

With any such application of fabric across a frame, the ability to minutely correct tension is unsurpassed by the ability to tug and shoot a staple where you need it exactly.

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One last question my good man.

IS the Flexi -white, which I ordered per your recommendation, see through enough that I would want to paint the wood frame white? You know, translucent?
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One last question my good man.

IS the Flexi -white, which I ordered per your recommendation, see through enough that I would want to paint the wood frame white? You know, translucent?

No, but if your thinking about "Zero Edge", a "Stand-off" edge trim (Glued on Quarter-Round) at the edges of the Frame will lift the material off the wood so no transfer of the wood's surface through the material occurs.

That is also suggested if your Framework will have Vertical supports at the center that are not recessed back about 1/8"

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I've been wondering it woudl be better to offset the material from the frame. 1/4 round would work well.

I do have two vertical 1x3 within the outer frame so would you suggest 1/4' round along outer perimeter of frame and then a length of 1/4" round running vertically along centererline of each inner 1x3 or perhaps two (or more) 1/4 round running horizontally from one inner 1x3 to the other?
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Of course the 1/4" round will make the straight edge felt tape 2" border more difficult
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Of course the 1/4" round will make the straight edge felt tape 2" border more difficult

OK...so obviously no Zero Edge. Under those circumstances the exterior Frame can remain Raw if the Trim will cover it completely.

Many find it difficult to get central vertical supports recessed. A quick, easy way to do it is to Glue two widths of 1" Lattace (...or 1 2" wide) on top of the exterior Frame so you "shim up" the Fabric higher than the central supports. For any screen that will have a Trim Overlay, this is the preferred method.

But furdudnessake.....the reason for standing off the material aroond the edges is to avoid the central verticals from touching the Fabric. Don'tcha dare go ruin it by building in more "touch"!

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Yes 2" wide felt tape - black & one side adhesive. Got something better and as easy? still waiting on materials to arrive so have time to correct any design flaws. I'd love to find some lightweight rectangular black stuff to frame the entire screen in. Something that would easily (snap in / out) some brackets (need to find those too) I could screw into the exterior side, ie.e the 1" side of the wood frame 1x4 (horizontal) and 1x3 (vertcal) and be 1'2" or so off the screen.

Also has some 3/8" thick foam tape with one side adhesive, some weatherization product. Would that be enought to offset the screen material if placed around perimter of frame in place of 1/4' round?
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Also, I got the 1/4 round so will use it I guess. No more trip to Home Depot please.
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And the trim will not cover the exterior boards completely as the trim tape is 2" and the 1x4 (horizontal) is actually 3.5" and the 1x3 (verticals) are also > 2".
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Yes 2" wide felt tape - black & one side adhesive. Got something better and as easy? still waiting on materials to arrive so have time to correct any design flaws. I'd love to find some lightweight rectangular black stuff to frame the entire screen in. Something that would easily (snap in / out) some brackets (need to find those too) I could screw into the exterior side, ie.e the 1" side of the wood frame 1x4 (horizontal) and 1x3 (vertcal) and be 1'2" or so off the screen.

Also has some 3/8" thick foam tape with one side adhesive, some weatherization product. Would that be enought to offset the screen material if placed around perimter of frame in place of 1/4' round?

here's the foam tape I am talking about. Maybe put two strips side by each onlong the entire perimeter of the wood frame to offset screen material from the wood?? Screen tension should negate any decay of the adhesive, which wood glue is not entirely immune to either I suppose.
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here's the foam tape I am talking about. Maybe put two strips side by each onlong the entire perimeter of the wood frame to offset screen material from the wood?? Screen tension should negate any decay of the adhesive, which wood glue is not entirely immune to either I suppose.

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http://www.homedepot.com/p/Frost-King-E-O-3-4-in-x-10-ft-Rubber-Foam-Tape-R534H/202262324
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Foam Tape will Compress under the amount of pressure it will receive from the over lying material as it is pulled tight and wrapped over the edges

Black Felt is pretty bad....better'n nuthin'...but it will NOT prevent observable Light Spill and it looks Cheap....it can detract from your personal feeling of quality.

Actual Screen Flock material is better, though more expensive. ProtoStar Telescope Flocking is "Da BomB!" but it too costs. But the latter...it absorbs 99.8% of ALL light. Nothing is better, even the best Black Velvet.

http://www.protostar.biz/hitack.htm

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Foam Tape will Compress under the amount of pressure it will receive from the over lying material as it is pulled tight and wrapped over the edges

Black Felt is pretty bad....better'n nuthin'...but it will NOT prevent observable Light Spill and it looks Cheap....it can detract from your personal feeling of quality.

Actual Screen Flock material is better, though more expensive. ProtoStar Telescope Flocking is "Da BomB!" but it too costs. But the latter...it absorbs 99.8% of ALL light. Nothing is better, even the best Black Velvet.

http://www.protostar.biz/hitack.htm

Thinking about getting some sections of this with 4 corner peices and put around perimeter edge over felt tape. Can only find 6' lengths and wary of seam(s) looking awkward on horizontal edges. Ordered 4 corner peices as they're relatively inexpensive and likely to use to cover up felt tape cornering. Not sure how light absorption will work but will adddress cheap look issue I think.


http://www.amazon.com/Kidkusion-Jumbo-Edge-Kushion-Taupe/dp/B001KXKAF6/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t

http://www.amazon.com/Kidkusion-Large-Jumbo-Corner-Kushions/dp/B001QGTBIY/ref=pd_bxgy_ba_img_y
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Baby Buggy Bumpers on a DIY Screen.

Might be the next big thing. biggrin.gif

I certainly would have to say it looks to be a first.

Really though....you could accomplish the same thing less obtrusively with Flat Wood Corner Molding and "cut to size" straight pieces of Flat MDF Trim.

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Yeah it's that whole cut to straight thing. Not my strength. Going to try a strip of the baby bumper stuff and see if it looks good. It's only for frame aesthetics anyway.

Felt tape is on, screen looks fantastic and displays an unbelievable image.

For the benefit of the next guy or gal. Don't freak if the screen material is folded and after stretching you still see fold lines. Picture is great, fold line s unnoticeable when image is on screen & I have to think over time gravity will in any event work its magic on the invisible (when viewing video) folds.

Very happy with my screen, thanks MM for the help.
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For the benefit of the next guy or gal. Don't freak if the screen material is folded and after stretching you still see fold lines. Picture is great, fold line s unnoticeable when image is on screen & I have to think over time gravity will in any event work its magic on the invisible (when viewing video) folds.

Very happy with my screen, thanks MM for the help.

Sawright!

BTW, the Flexi-White has a small degree of stretch potential, and if stretched, will lose any wrinkles after a short period.

I myself am about to use it (FW) to create a 200" screen that will also be coated with Silver Fire. My material will come in a Roll however, so I do not plan on dealing with any creases or fold lines. Any size can be shipped "Rolled" for a small additional sum, and that is how any / everyone should do so.

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