Wow...now hasn't this devolved.
Yeah Dave in Green,
I did miss that "Really starting to think about making this into a business
" thingee. But after review I also note that stephen77
also said," I really think if some of us partnerned up we could create a very budget friendly dark screen that could appeal to many people."
Now that last bit makes it seem a bit less selfishly materialistic and more like he was being generously optimistic.
All ya all should realize, that when someone does have the proverbial break though when trying to come up with something heretofore deemed unworkable....and especially if considerable money and effort has been expended, then it's only human nature for that person to think about profiting from his work and ideas to some degree. Yes, the idea's roots did come from the work done by Robert (New Design)...something that actually hasn't panned out all that well for him. (...nothing like Peer review from people who spent "profit oriented" money on something to bring out the discordant viewpoints...)
But also note that the effort stephen77
made was almost 100% of his own doing. Under such conditions, the interested onlookers flock to the Thread....give their undying support and encouragement....but little else. Pretty much it's always been a "Hurry up! I wants it"
sorta mentality...The seeming mistake being that for making judgements about viability and obtaining moral support, he chose a Forum when most can freely post the exacting details of their projects. You can bet that anyone whose original intent was purely intent on profiting would not post such details. nor even give a clue about what they are trying to create. This is actually how stephen77
started, but the many roadblocks along the way, and the realization that cost effectivness and availability was lacking help make him reluctant to advise others on where to go and what to use, being that he would take responsibility for their spending / wasting time & money.
Dredging up the past, this brings to mind my own experience with my MississippiMud variants, and PB's and mine experience with Black Flame screens. My motive was two fold...since I am a Custom installer. I started back in 2001 doing Front Projection systems after several years of encapsulating RPTVs into walls to simulate Plasmas(for $1000s less) But the Screen choices I had were effectively lousy...and finding the interest in DIY Screens on the Screens Forum that I did, I dove right in and read up on 4 years of prior posts on the subject. Tried that 'ol GOO first. Too expensive, hard to apply, and a underachiever...IMO.
Soooo............I set out to create a "GOO alternative...a mix that was applied as a "One Coat" application and made from easily accessible components, all coming in at a fraction of the cost. And......it worked great too. Which drew the ire of every owner of a Mfg Screen who had spent too much for too little. Of course, posting hundreds of screen shots that rubbed salt into their wounds didn 't help.but even back then their was a decisive split between true DIY'ers and the Mfg Screen camp.
However, even with freely posting every ingredient, it's source, and extensive "How To" instructions, the primary bent taken by the other "Camp"...as well as a few DIY haters, was that because iusedmy own idea to make money off Forum, I surely had ulterior motives for post on AVS. Some went so far as to claim I probably sent people onto AVS to convince them to by my screens. Yeah...like that made sense...show 'em how much cheaper it is to DIY and show 'emhow much I make doing their scfreens.
But the old adage "Haters gonna Hate" surely applies...especially if there is a bit of jealousy mixed in.
Later on...PB & I took a raw, undeveloped RBGY idea and created Black Flame...initially posting our results and ideas freely. Intriguing stuff....but when we did see exactly what we were accomplishing, as well as seeing others on the Forum taking others' ideas and marketing them, we moved to protect out ideas and work by filing for a Patent. While keeping some aspects and components secret, we continued to develop the idea, once again using freely available components, so as to be true as possible to the DIY ideal.
Didn't make a bit of difference to the Haters though. We had shown our true spots. We had planned it all along, don'tcha know.
So a schism developed. If you think this application has potential, Black Flame galvanized the DIY'ers to a greater extent...and just the same also generated more bile than a diseased Liver. First the Screens Forum was split, then two additional factions emerged. The "We won't use or try anything MM & PB have because they are bad people". and the "We'll try just about anything else because we won't use or try anything MM & PB have because they are bad people" crowd. Again, it all became a case of suppose profiteering although at no time over the next few years did we ever promote or sell on the3 Forum, which would have course found many willing takers. But we declined...because AVS meant more to us in the DIY sense than as a cash cow to be milked.
PB & I have persevered. Outlasted the naysayers and accusers. Time showed we had none of the ill intent attributed to us by those who would have seen us go away.
Now all of the above runs close to home for stephen77
"if" he does plan to go into business. It smacked NewDesign upside the head, but in truth it was my PMs urging him to cease posting because of his obvious intentions that led to his departure. It came a bit too late though...and as to if it all was his original intent, it's up to guesswork...although he did assure me it was the realization that his application would need a Mfg process to succeed, taking it fully 180 degrees away from DIY.
So OK...the questions have been asked.....some not so coyly, and it's up to stephen77
to respond or not...to continue on publicly...or not. Honestly, some of the things posted would drive most away screaming in the opposite direction, especially after all the time and money spent. That didn't work for me and PB, because I was pretty stubbornly against the unfair and unwarranted comments.
I personally want to see stephen77's
effort bear real fruit to chew on. I feel the same about ftoast's
efforts...as well as every wannabe DIY Screen developer. While at times I might interject some reality based observations and critiquing, that is exactly why someone presents his ideas on DIY Screens. It's all good, if approached openly and above board.
So those of you who are waiting to see....just wait and see. stephen77
, don't feel obligated to post your results until you finally have something akin to a wholly ready application. Otherwise, the carrot you dangle and that remains out of reach only becomes a object of uncertainty of satisfaction. It is a very real thing that DIY developers appreciate support along the way...and posting inital progress helps gerenrate such support. But after several hundred posts it get rather old...if not moot, and people will tend to question your efforts.
But let me end with this, making any statement alluding to marketing one's idea oneself should immediately consign the Poster the Mfg Screen Forum....as well as becoming a Forum Sponsor or Advertiser, especially if they owe a great deal of their progress to the Forum followers. If not...then they should let the adverse commentary roll off their backs like so much rain off a Duck's, and just keep on keepin' on.
To everyone who showed stephen77
a modicum of support....good for you. Those who are new to this thread and who have nothing positive to add or say...why are you here? And those who have outright accused stephen77
of having ulterior motives....hold that talk in check a while longer and give him the benefit of your doubt.
Now I must go because I wrote all this under the influence of a mild concussion....so if I get any ill responses....that's my excuse.