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What isn't fair is to continue to feed on the free flow of information from other DIYers while suddenly refusing to share what you were previously open with because you're thinking of turning it into a proprietary process and charging money for it.
While I agree with this, I also think it boils down to DIY projects belong in the DIY forum, while threads about a "proprietary process" belong in the manufacturing screen forum, not this sub forum. That way people who are interested in learning to make screens ( as opposed to just buying them ) won't feel mislead.
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I think this forum should not be call diy but "look at what can i make" because because no one share material used anymore but that is only my opinion. Probably in one week i will buy some materials for tests and i will share all. Budget ti spend 200-300 euros
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timfrost91 nice results, care to share materials you have used !?
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Wow...now hasn't this devolved.

Yeah Dave in Green, I did miss that "Really starting to think about making this into a business" thingee. But after review I also note that stephen77 also said," I really think if some of us partnerned up we could create a very budget friendly dark screen that could appeal to many people."

Now that last bit makes it seem a bit less selfishly materialistic and more like he was being generously optimistic.

All ya all should realize, that when someone does have the proverbial break though when trying to come up with something heretofore deemed unworkable....and especially if considerable money and effort has been expended, then it's only human nature for that person to think about profiting from his work and ideas to some degree. Yes, the idea's roots did come from the work done by Robert (New Design)...something that actually hasn't panned out all that well for him. (...nothing like Peer review from people who spent "profit oriented" money on something to bring out the discordant viewpoints...)

But also note that the effort stephen77 made was almost 100% of his own doing. Under such conditions, the interested onlookers flock to the Thread....give their undying support and encouragement....but little else. Pretty much it's always been a "Hurry up! I wants it" sorta mentality...The seeming mistake being that for making judgements about viability and obtaining moral support, he chose a Forum when most can freely post the exacting details of their projects. You can bet that anyone whose original intent was purely intent on profiting would not post such details. nor even give a clue about what they are trying to create. This is actually how stephen77 started, but the many roadblocks along the way, and the realization that cost effectivness and availability was lacking help make him reluctant to advise others on where to go and what to use, being that he would take responsibility for their spending / wasting time & money.

Dredging up the past, this brings to mind my own experience with my MississippiMud variants, and PB's and mine experience with Black Flame screens. My motive was two fold...since I am a Custom installer. I started back in 2001 doing Front Projection systems after several years of encapsulating RPTVs into walls to simulate Plasmas(for $1000s less) But the Screen choices I had were effectively lousy...and finding the interest in DIY Screens on the Screens Forum that I did, I dove right in and read up on 4 years of prior posts on the subject. Tried that 'ol GOO first. Too expensive, hard to apply, and a underachiever...IMO.

Soooo............I set out to create a "GOO alternative...a mix that was applied as a "One Coat" application and made from easily accessible components, all coming in at a fraction of the cost. And......it worked great too. Which drew the ire of every owner of a Mfg Screen who had spent too much for too little. Of course, posting hundreds of screen shots that rubbed salt into their wounds didn 't help.but even back then their was a decisive split between true DIY'ers and the Mfg Screen camp.

However, even with freely posting every ingredient, it's source, and extensive "How To" instructions, the primary bent taken by the other "Camp"...as well as a few DIY haters, was that because iusedmy own idea to make money off Forum, I surely had ulterior motives for post on AVS. Some went so far as to claim I probably sent people onto AVS to convince them to by my screens. Yeah...like that made sense...show 'em how much cheaper it is to DIY and show 'emhow much I make doing their scfreens.

But the old adage "Haters gonna Hate" surely applies...especially if there is a bit of jealousy mixed in.

Later on...PB & I took a raw, undeveloped RBGY idea and created Black Flame...initially posting our results and ideas freely. Intriguing stuff....but when we did see exactly what we were accomplishing, as well as seeing others on the Forum taking others' ideas and marketing them, we moved to protect out ideas and work by filing for a Patent. While keeping some aspects and components secret, we continued to develop the idea, once again using freely available components, so as to be true as possible to the DIY ideal.

Didn't make a bit of difference to the Haters though. We had shown our true spots. We had planned it all along, don'tcha know.

So a schism developed. If you think this application has potential, Black Flame galvanized the DIY'ers to a greater extent...and just the same also generated more bile than a diseased Liver. First the Screens Forum was split, then two additional factions emerged. The "We won't use or try anything MM & PB have because they are bad people". and the "We'll try just about anything else because we won't use or try anything MM & PB have because they are bad people" crowd. Again, it all became a case of suppose profiteering although at no time over the next few years did we ever promote or sell on the3 Forum, which would have course found many willing takers. But we declined...because AVS meant more to us in the DIY sense than as a cash cow to be milked.

PB & I have persevered. Outlasted the naysayers and accusers. Time showed we had none of the ill intent attributed to us by those who would have seen us go away.

Now all of the above runs close to home for stephen77 "if" he does plan to go into business. It smacked NewDesign upside the head, but in truth it was my PMs urging him to cease posting because of his obvious intentions that led to his departure. It came a bit too late though...and as to if it all was his original intent, it's up to guesswork...although he did assure me it was the realization that his application would need a Mfg process to succeed, taking it fully 180 degrees away from DIY.

So OK...the questions have been asked.....some not so coyly, and it's up to stephen77 to respond or not...to continue on publicly...or not. Honestly, some of the things posted would drive most away screaming in the opposite direction, especially after all the time and money spent. That didn't work for me and PB, because I was pretty stubbornly against the unfair and unwarranted comments.

I personally want to see stephen77's effort bear real fruit to chew on. I feel the same about ftoast's efforts...as well as every wannabe DIY Screen developer. While at times I might interject some reality based observations and critiquing, that is exactly why someone presents his ideas on DIY Screens. It's all good, if approached openly and above board.

So those of you who are waiting to see....just wait and see. stephen77, don't feel obligated to post your results until you finally have something akin to a wholly ready application. Otherwise, the carrot you dangle and that remains out of reach only becomes a object of uncertainty of satisfaction. It is a very real thing that DIY developers appreciate support along the way...and posting inital progress helps gerenrate such support. But after several hundred posts it get rather old...if not moot, and people will tend to question your efforts.

But let me end with this, making any statement alluding to marketing one's idea oneself should immediately consign the Poster the Mfg Screen Forum....as well as becoming a Forum Sponsor or Advertiser, especially if they owe a great deal of their progress to the Forum followers. If not...then they should let the adverse commentary roll off their backs like so much rain off a Duck's, and just keep on keepin' on.

To everyone who showed stephen77 a modicum of support....good for you. Those who are new to this thread and who have nothing positive to add or say...why are you here? And those who have outright accused stephen77 of having ulterior motives....hold that talk in check a while longer and give him the benefit of your doubt.

Now I must go because I wrote all this under the influence of a mild concussion....so if I get any ill responses....that's my excuse.
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However, even with freely posting every ingredient, it's source, and extensive "How To" instructions, the primary bent taken by the other "Camp"...as well as a few DIY haters, was that because iusedmy own idea to make money off Forum, I surely had ulterior motives for post on AVS. Some went so far as to claim I probably sent people onto AVS to convince them to by my screens. Yeah...like that made sense...show 'em how much cheaper it is to DIY and show 'emhow much I make doing their scfreens.
But that's exactly the difference, here, MM. As you yourself say you willingly shared the methods you developed. If you also make money creating screens or installing them as well, then that sounds like the best of all possible worlds and anyone complaining about it isn't worth listening to. The only concerns I see raised in this thread have to do with the sharing of information or lack of same.

Is anyone here complaining that it would be unfair for Stephen to profit off his work even if he shares his methods with the DIY community .... ? If so, please link to these complaints, because I haven't seen them, and they need to be challenged in the most uncertain terms. If no one is making these complaints, then I fail to see how citing them here does anything other than further muddy some already muddy waters (no pun intended!).
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... But also note that the effort stephen77 made was almost 100% of his own doing. Under such conditions, the interested onlookers flock to the Thread....give their undying support and encouragement....but little else. Pretty much it's always been a "Hurry up! I wants it" sorta mentality...
That's a real slap in the face to folks like HumbleHub, ger75, bighernan, narhic_fd, kopmjj, and others who've collaborated in this thread by doing similar experiments with similar materials, and who have been consistently open in sharing the materials they've used and the results they've achieved. That's the true spirit of DIY that I've seen over decades of following DIY projects in audio, video, computers and dozens of other subjects. In all those decades I've never seen a DIYer withhold information for any reason other than to advance their own interests. I'm sure that everyone sincerely hopes that's not the case here and is waiting to see how this plays out.
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Ya i can understand them saying that....maybe...even though i havent used anything close to what they have used but my question is why is someone who hasnt contributed any work of there own to this thread believe they have any room to comment about what im doing. seems like somebody needs to worry about doing there own project instead Of worrying about what im doing.
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I dont have time to go looking through past post that somebody else posted. Believe me im flattered you care so much about what Im doing but i could care less what you think about my motives because it doesnt matter. I know your upset i havent just handed you a black screen on a silver platter but once again not my problem. I know this thread has the phrase DIY in it but that went completely out the window when robert took his intellectual property & went elsewhere. If you knew the origins of this thread you would see that anything goes. Maybe i dont want to make money off this & maybe i do but i sure as hell arent going to let some stranger take what ive done & profit from it. So think what you want because MM was right haters goin to hate.
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I would never consider going on for 3 days about another mans business on a forum to simply pry into his personal affairs. My mind is officially blown by this point. I figured this would have died out days ago but now you got me locking my doors at night & shutting my blinds. To weird.
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... I know this thread has the phrase DIY in it but that went completely out the window when robert took his intellectual property & went elsewhere. If you knew the origins of this thread you would see that anything goes. ...
I know the origins of this thread quite well because I've followed it live from day one. It's really quite a cynical view to think that "anything goes" on avsforum.com, and doesn't do a lot to engender trust from DIYers. There are some pretty specific rules posted in the sticky here that we should all try to follow.

By the way, if you are a true DIYer who plans to eventually share all your information with other DIYers here, you should pay no attention to any questions anyone may have about your motives as you will ultimately prove your doubters wrong.
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Dave was all this necessary? ? I mean really?? You see i dont even have a full screen prototype so does it really look like i could create a business with my current progress?? And your inclination is a post from 3 months ago where you can obviously see i posted with blind optimism. Come on man your really reaching on this one. Ya i haven't gave material list because A. I dont even have a stable one to give & B Maybe I dont want someone to take my ideas & profit from it instead of me. Would you want to see 100 screens that you designed before you even have your own. If you weren't so fanatically eager for one yourself you could see how simple my intentions truly are. It would also be nice to see your project attempts instead of just sitting back & letting the names of the members you previously listed to do it for you. You dont see any of them going on about this non sense that doesn't matter because there to busy doing there own projects so maybe you should follow suit.

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I dont have time to go looking through past post that somebody else posted. Believe me im flattered you care so much about what Im doing but i could care less what you think about my motives because it doesnt matter. I know your upset i havent just handed you a black screen on a silver platter but once again not my problem.
But I don't want a black screen on a silver platter. I don't want a black screen on any kind of platter, unless it's an acoustically transparent screen, which yours is not. So your attempt to paint me and others here as greedy people who just want everything handed to them, simply because we ask you questions, rings false.

I only care about this because I care about the spirit of the DIY forum: AVS members sharing their knowledge and helping other AVS members in pursuit of a common goal. It's one of the best things about this forum, maybe one of the best things about the internet in general.

What I see you responding with, Stephen, is a lot of sound and fury, but no real attempt to answer the question which you've been repeatedly asked, a question which is by any objective definition of the word, perfectly reasonable.

Instead, you yell and stamp your feet in an apparent attempt to distract us from the fact that you won't answer. Why is that?

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I know this thread has the phrase DIY in it but that went completely out the window when robert took his intellectual property & went elsewhere. If you knew the origins of this thread you would see that anything goes..
And right here, ladies and gentlemen, I think we have the answer to our question. It's a question Stephen seems desperate to avoid, but one he has answered anyway, despite himself. The DIY part of this thread is "completely out the window" and "anything goes."

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for him to publicly share his plans for a black screen, unless there is a dollar sign attached to the transaction, but I'd be happy to have him prove me wrong.

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I would never consider going on for 3 days about another mans business on a forum to simply pry into his personal affairs.
What are you talking about? What "business?" What "personal affairs?" This is a PUBLIC DIY FORUM. If you don't want people asking you questions about your plans for making a black screen, then DON'T start a thread about them in a PUBLIC DIY FORUM? Does anyone else not get this?

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My mind is officially blown by this point. I figured this would have died out days ago but now you got me locking my doors at night & shutting my blinds. To weird.
Uh ... if you're really locking your doors at night and shutting your blinds because of this thread, then you have issues that are a lot bigger than this thread.

Good luck with this one guys. I'm out of here. Oh, and someone, maybe me, should probably let the mods know that the "DIY" part of this thread has gone "completely out the window" and "anything goes." Sounds like it doesn't really belong in the DIY forum then.

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Thanks for the support MississippiMan & ImbloodyS. Seems like you all realize how much goes into a project of this caliber & can appreciate how I choose to inform this forum on the progress of this project. As for my "Intentions" I believe it is only fair of me to voice them in complete detail since im having words put in my mouth about commercial this & that. My Intent has been the same & very simple since I started posting on this thread many months ago & that is to make the best black/dark screen possible. There isnt anything complex about my motives so im sorry for the lack of drama created by a hidden agenda that isnt there. Ive simply not released the materials or the process because Im still not sure if its worth releasing yet. Would you announce a total failure just to look like an idiot that didnt know what he was doing? I seriously doubt it & im no different. Until im fully confident with what ive created then there is absolutely no point in revealing anything. I continue to post pictures in an attempt to gather feedback so i can determine if im heading in the right direction. I currently have about 8 different samples & none of them are made with the same materials so if I even tried to reveal a method to my madness you wouldn't know if i was coming or going. Im so back & forth on what works best i couldn't begin to pin down 1 answer you all might want to hear. As of right now there is no business or commercial product pertaining to a black screen in my future. Im just a simple guy trying to achieve the same thing we all are & thats a badass black screen. Im just probably a little more obsessed then everyone else but if there is anyone else out there that has seen a bright vivid picture pop off of a black screen then you know why.
After I clearly stated my answer here you still continued to twist my words & create a bunch of propaganda & false accusations. This is why i have to mock this whole situation because you have turned this thread into a bunch of bickering crap.
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After I clearly stated my answer here you still continued to twist my words & create a bunch of propaganda & false accusations. This is why i have to mock this whole situation because you have turned this thread into a bunch of bickering crap.
I and at least several other members here feel your answer was anything but clear. Your own posts often seem to directly contradict each other. On the one hand you say you won't share your methods with your fellow members because you don't think they are good enough to share yet--and on the other hand you angrily insist that you " ...sure as hell arent going to let some stranger take what ive done & profit from it."

I can't see how you could ever intend to both share your methods on a DIY forum and control what "strangers" do with them.

By refusing to answer directly, and in a clear and consistent manner, you yourself have created the "drama" you are now complaining about. I would invite everyone to go back and read your posts, and then read mine, and see which are the more "dramatic."

Over and out.

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Just because its not the answer you want to hear doesnt mean i didnt answer the question & if thats the answer i give then thats the answer you get. You dont keep going on about it because that didnt meet your needs. Last i checked we are all adults here so you dont need to ask me if I used the potty twice before we go on a long trip. What you get is what you get & thats that...move on for god sakes. The reason for me being vague is its simply none of your concern, whither im starting a business or not starting a business. I mean its one thing to ask me for instructions on a post but to go off on a tanget about my business endeavors & personal motives for creating a screen business. That to me is crossing the line & simply nobodys business with what i do outside of these forum walls. You dont see me questioning you on what you have in your stock portfolio or how big is your 401k do you? If you had actually been following this thread longer then the 12 hours total you have posted on it you would see that. I Have been involved with this for close to a year & want nothing more then to create an awesome black screen & have put a lot of time & money into this. And when you sit there & say how im just looking for a dollar sign it just goes to show me how little you really do know about me & this thread, Because buddy this has been nothing but a money pit so far for me & there is no end in sight, so before you go & spout off comments you clearly dont know what your talking about do a little research first. Ive sunk well over a thousand dollars in samples alone & its probably going to cost me another thousand(if not more) before Im done. I believe ive paid my dues to this project & if I want to hold out to get it right before i give it all away then thats for me to decide & if i want to turn this into screen business then thats for me to decide as well but i sure as hell didnt work this hard nor spend all that money for you to try to dictate what i will & wont do.
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stephen77- You intend to continue to look for the black screen or we will be in a garbage can a branch?
Your thoughts it is sure will help people to make houses to themselves the screen not expensively and the general free aid by another in it иесть sense of such forums as this.
I am engaged the black screen year and the help of people allowed me to make houses the dark screen which very well and there is no secret of materials placed here. But a problem in that what not to buy from us materials which use in the USA. By analogy of properties of materials it is possible to find analog worldwide. Main description of the principle of work and complexity of work.
And the question of commerce - I is only glad if not expensive black screens come to us. Many will buy than do. And you receive glory and money but people should be helped with it big sense.
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stephen77-I faced a problem to use a film as material because of a hot spot. Almost it is more than all samples or less, having applied paint as alternative to a film it was succeeded to get rid of a poblema.
In construction of the screen has to use at least three layers bases, a dark layer, a light layer ( white transparent)
Such concept was realized by me in the dark screen.
And it isn't clear why screens are very expensive? The TV huge screens not far off and interest in projectors will fall. And projectors very expensive what to be replacement of TV. Small groups sell the screens and here a question in the price is (very expensive)
To make hands interesting and informative, experience is useful in other work, an exchange of ideas between people the main thing

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stephen77 you still dont get it
Let me show you some examples so you'll see better what's the problem here.

Lets take Robert Hart for example. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING to the guy, there was 0 discution on his decision. But let me tell you
what was different.
One day he decided to go comercial. He came here told us his intentions, changed username and stop posting results. That was it.
On the other hand, this is what you did : I'll quote from mind, won't search for exact words. You came, show us your latest results, then told us you don't wanna share info in order TO PROTECT us from spending money and time (I took it as an insult to my intelligence, to be honest). Now you come and say that you don't want someone to come, steal your idea and make money off of it. Which one is it now ?
That is the WHOLE idea when you join into DIY or some open source projects. People SHARE ideas and results.
MM generally asked people that didn't wrote/tested much here, "why are they here?". Let me ask you same question : why are you here ? to tease, brag or promote ?
And fearing that someone will take your work and make money has no base either. It will always be an open source project, everybody will have access to info. Its like someone would come to me and try to sell me a copy of a FREE open source linux edition. I would just tell him to f*** off and get it for free, you know what I mean ?

P.S. if you or anybody else wonders why I talk, but I didn't contribute with ideas and tests, this is why : my monthly salary is around 400-500$ and I don't have to tell you how expensive materials can be, you already know better than me. I did some tests, but nothing was better then ppl already have seen here before. So in a way I'm depending on people with greater resources than mine. Its not that I'm lazy or stupid, its all about resources.

Please excuse my mistakes, english is not my native.
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There is no difference from a film or paint in quality material and according to the name of a branch - the black screen the test is the offer to discuss any solutions all the same of material. For the reason all material one and too (a difference the price and quality)
stephen77- You not yes such option? Your thread solve.
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stephen77, I was interested in a black screen for my front projector when this thread was first started. Along the way I decided that I was satisfied watching my plasma in the daytime and that a white screen was best for nighttime use, so that's where I am today with a white screen that does all I need. If a great DIY black screen evolves out of this exercise, I'll be excited for all those who worked on it and for all those who will make use of it. I no longer need one and will not be getting one for myself.

But I've been interested in DIY since I was a little kid. I've worked on many projects and really enjoy reading about even those I have no use for. I have great respect and admiration for everyone who explores DIY solutions and shares their results with others. That's why I've continued to follow this thread with interest, trying to cheer everyone on. I respect and admire your contributions here. But I also have a sense of fairness, and fairness in DIY means everyone openly and honestly sharing with everyone. Some of your more recent comments raised questions with several posters here, including me. The change from sharing all information to withholding some information was also evident to me and others.

So that's exactly where I'm coming from. I want this to be successful for others, not for me. I hope that you are part of the DIY success story. I would hate to see all the true DIYers who've been following this thread for more than a year be disappointed again by someone stumbling on a good solution and taking it commercial instead of freely sharing it. Again, if everyone's intent is to openly share with other DIYers, nothing I'm saying should bother anyone and there's no reason for anyone to be defensive.
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P.S. if you or anybody else wonders why I talk, but I didn't contribute with ideas and tests, this is why : my monthly salary is around 400-500$ and I don't have to tell you how expensive materials can be, you already know better than me. I did some tests, but nothing was better then ppl already have seen here before. So in a way I'm depending on people with greater resources than mine. Its not that I'm lazy or stupid, its all about resources.

Please excuse my mistakes, english is not my native.
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test.. ipad vs dark screen
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test.. ipad vs dark screen
ger75 can share more exactly what materials u use ?
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test.. ipad vs dark screen
Which one is the ipad?
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Does anyone have some european/international materials that can be used to build this?
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So far with a grid I practise shamanism. Level black many times above, the level of the white is slightly lower. The sampler is lighter I will make. what white level with the basic...
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So far with a grid I practise shamanism. Level black many times above, the level of the white is slightly lower. The sampler is lighter I will make. what white level with the basic...
"Slightly" is a bit understated. White levels are "significantly" lower.

Of course any direct comparison to non-muted whites always shows up more decidedly.

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timfrost91 nice results, care to share materials you have used !?
Sure. Below is the recipe for the images, as requested, however since then I've greatly improved my design, especially my white levels. In fact, in my latest test piece (my best so far) I used just 1 of the below listed materials.

But anyway, here is that recipe:

The combined reflector/black layer was: YSL M-Lite 5200 (acrylic version) in black. To this, I adhered a tinted window film called 'TSCF-20' in the colour 'DARK CHARCOAL' by a company called Purlsol (to improve viewing angles). On top of this was Oracal 638 Wall Art Soft PVC Film, and finally on top of this I attached Black Organza which I had lightly sprayed with Glowtec Starglow Retro-Reflective Clear Topcoat. If you can source these materials, you should create a decent dark projection screen.

Note: As the above list of materials is now a redundant recipe to me, I am more than happy to disclose it to the viewers of this forum as requested by loveesim, however, as I am a brand new user, and have developed my screen totally alone and without the aid of this or any other online forum, I wish to make it clear I will not be handing out any of my newer recipes in case I wish to pursue some kind of commercial venture.

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Sure. Below is the recipe for the images, as requested, however since then I've greatly improved my design, especially my white levels. In fact, in my latest test piece (my best so far) I used just 1 of the below listed materials.

But anyway, here is that recipe:

The combined reflector/black layer was: YSL M-Lite 5200 (acrylic version) in black. To this, I adhered a tinted window film called 'TSCF-20' in the colour 'DARK CHARCOAL' by a company called Purlsol (to improve viewing angles). On top of this was Oracal 638 Wall Art Soft PVC Film, and finally on top of this I attached Black Organza which I had lightly sprayed with Glowtec Starglow Retro-Reflective Clear Topcoat. If you can source these materials, you should create a decent dark projection screen.

Note: As the above list of materials is now a redundant recipe to me, I am more than happy to disclose it to the viewers of this forum as requested by loveesim, however, as I am a brand new user, and have developed my screen totally alone and without the aid of this or any other online forum, I wish to make it clear I will not be handing out any of my newer recipes in case I wish to pursue some kind of commercial venture.

Good Luck

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MississippiMan, your critical statement baffles me, and is extremely ungrateful considering I have just revealed a number of very useful products that have not been aforementioned in this thread (or for that matter online at all, to my knowledge).

I have got absolutely nothing in return from this thread in terms of developing my screen during my short membership here of just a few days. Please re-read my latest post, which you eagerly quoted, and you will notice I used the language "in case I wish to pursue some kind of commercial venture". (NOT because I am going to pursue a commercial venture"). This choice of language was purposeful to reflect uncertainty, yet somehow you still manage to misinterpret my post as a self promotion/a definitive desire to sell my screen commercially, saying "obviously intended to lead others to expect something "commercial" in the near future". I am simply being honest from the outset of my membership here, and using part of one of my first posts to state that I MAY wish to pursue a commercial venture of some sort in the future. I may not. It is my own choice, especially as I have found every aspect of my own project and have taken nothing from this thread.

Please take any future comments by myself literally and at face value, not a twisted interpretation of them. I have not decided whether I will sell my screen or for that matter, if I will even have time in the future to make a full version of it myself. I purposefully chose language to be an honest reflection of this uncertainty - yet you are clearly deliberately not taking my comment at face value which suggests to me; either you are, or may be planning to sell screens yourself and are scared of THE POSSIBILITY OF (just to be clear) superior competitors, or, perhaps you are simply annoyed that I have found a great design, but have made it clear, from the outset, that I MAY NOT be handing it to (all) users here on a plate?

As of now, it is actually more likely that I will not be pursuing any commercial venture involving my screen designs in the near future (as I have a number of job interviews coming up and will not have the time if I get one of the jobs). If there is one thing your comment has taught me, it is definitely now likely that I if I do share my materials and designs here, it will be via private messages to the more respectful forum users who post useful, and relevant information.
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