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Silver Fire FX (Fusion eXtreme) - Black Screen & Light Fusion refined.

Silver Fire FX... is a blend of SIlver FIre (the screen mix) blended with Light Fusion using a application process to achieve;;;
  • maximum black levels and contrast through a very dark Silver Fire mix
  • high gain to reduce and maintain color shifting and maintain white levels
  • re-introducing LIGHT FUSION
  • dramatically reducing and/or eliminating the graininess often associated with high metallic content mixes.

    what we've learned with newer high quality / high contrast / high lumen pj's over the past few years...
    is that while the eyes are while quite forgiving when it comes to color shifting and white levels...
    they are equally unforgiving when it comes to picture quality... ie moire, graininess and surface quality.

    that means re-thinking, improving upon, and ending up with a screen that is devoid of metallics, devoid of texture, and devoid of sheen... or as humanly possible.

    which means Silver Fire FX will have an application process that is not for the faint of heart.

...more to come.
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.........and it will be enough of an improvement to be worth any slight degree of extra effort extended.

Steel yur wool and raise your expectations for Silver Fire FX v1.0 in all it's varied colorant levels from 1.0 to 6.0

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I'm going to keep checking this thread like twice a day until the secret is out...
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I'm going to keep checking this thread like twice a day until the secret is out...

The next Full Sized Screen I build (...as in BIG, naturally wink.gif ) will feature it, along with any descriptions involving changes in materials, mixing, and application.

But don't take in a deep breath and hold it, because that won't happen until just after December 1 because I'm about to get tied up between November 8th and the 30th with a major Home Show.

However PB will undoubtedly produce some Test Panels of appreciable size well before then.

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rollin'
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... get your rollers ready !? biggrin.gif
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You had me at hello! Can't wait make a new screen.

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of course... i would be remiss if i didn't say that SPRAYING is still required and will ultimately be the deciding factor in a highly successful finished screen.

the applicaton will be involve spraying, rolling, sanding, and then finishing with spraying.

it will not be for the faint of heart.wink.gif
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of course... i would be remiss if i didn't say that SPRAYING is still required and will ultimately be the deciding factor in a highly successful finished screen.

the applicaton will be involve spraying, rolling, sanding, and then finishing with spraying.

it will not be for the faint of heart.wink.gif

Willing and able. Show me to the light:D

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Should I have waited? I just finished up my Silver Fire V2.5 screen. Lol
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a couple of more thoughts... and recommendations...

FX as i mentioned above will not have a high gain metallic finished surface. the finish coats will be FREE of any metallics at all.
the reason for this to create as smooth, and fine, and featureless a surface as can possible sprayed.

secondly, we will depend on the principles of light fusion to retain brightness as the finish color will darker... in the 5.0 to 6.0 range...

given such... here will definitely be two minimum requirements:

1) 1080p PJ with rating of 1800+ lumens. (or 20+ fl's would be more ideal)
2) using a spray tip of 1.5mm or less for the final finish application.
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Silver Fire FX (Fusion eXtreme) - Black Screen & Light Fusion refined.

Silver Fire FX... is a blend of SIlver FIre (the screen mix) blended with Light Fusion using a application process to achieve;;;
  • maximum black levels and contrast through a very dark Silver Fire mix
  • high gain to reduce and maintain color shifting and maintain white levels
  • re-introducing LIGHT FUSION
  • dramatically reducing and/or eliminating the graininess often associated with high metallic content mixes.

    what we've learned with newer high quality / high contrast / high lumen pj's over the past few years...
    is that while the eyes are while quite forgiving when it comes to color shifting and white levels...
    they are equally unforgiving when it comes to picture quality... ie moire, graininess and surface quality.

    that means re-thinking, improving upon, and ending up with a screen that is devoid of metallics, devoid of texture, and devoid of sheen... or as humanly possible.

    which means Silver Fire FX will have an application process that is not for the faint of heart.

...more to come.

So when it comes to light fusion, will this application strictly be done on a mirror or mylar substrate or can one do a "White Fusion" if they so choose to??? Just curious if it's a mirror fusion only application.
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this application will not require a mirror.

also, while white fusion might be an option... it is not initially what i had intended for SF-FX.

however, upon further review...
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I should be good on lumens to go forward with this screen project. What is the projected screen gain
for the new screen? In the 1-1.0 range like this screen?

http://www.draperinc.com/projectionscreens/ReAct.asp ?

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my best guess is that SF FX will range from .85 to 1.05 range depending on the options chosen.
initially it will be introduced a black screen... or visually darker than most would dare to venture.
but they'll be some options to lighten visual color of the screen for those who would desire SF but re especially sensitive to any graininess or random sparklies especially in close viewing ranges.
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Can I use my current retro as a base for this new project? If not what substrate do you recommend and I will
go out and have one waiting to start the new build when it is releashed.

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I'm excited to hear about this! Although I'm happy with my SF 2.5, the graininess and the sparkle do get to me sometimes, so this addresses both issues!
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Any updates to the last 2 posts?

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which means Silver Fire FX will have an application process that is not for the faint of heart.

 

Currently projecting on a grey wall, and I was looking into SF v2.5 but this sounds promising.

the last part has me a little worried though, will the average DIY'er be able to pull it off?


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Mississippi had a week moment last night and ended up buying a new Panasonic AE7000 for
1099.00:eek: Does this machine have enough lumens for the new screen project?

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Mississippi had a week moment last night and ended up buy a new Panasonic AE7000 for
1099.00:eek: Does this machine have enough lumens for the new screen project?

For anything "screen-wise screen-size" at 130" under, you betcha.

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That is good to hear. Look forward to a new screen project over
the holiday season. Will be around 92" 16x9 and 110" scope

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Hey pb_maxx how about a pre thanksgiving bone on the new screen.smile.gif

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i'm chomping at the bit myself... but i'm waiting on the equipment to arrive.

this much i can tell you...

1) the colorant mix - will move from 'Liquidtex' to 'Master's Touch' acrylics. Master's touch is a Hobby Lobby exclusive product with very favorable reviews for it's color vibrancy and steadfastness. it will contain 1 additional component.

2) the base mix will contain 1 less component, be highly reflective, and vary accordlingly.
3) the colorant mix and the base components will remain separate - not mixed together.

4) the application order will be... (Base) spray 3 to 4 coats. (Fusion) roll 3 to 4 coats. (SF finish) spray approx 4 dusters.

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When will the formula be released on the forums so we can give it a go?? My sister is getting a projector for Christmas and I was hoping I could spray this up for her christmas gift from me to her.
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Any teaser test panel shots yet?

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hey MM...

i need to get a hold of a double D. eek.gif

wagner control spray DD that is.... biggrin.gif
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hey MM...

i need to get a hold of a double D. eek.gif

wagner control spray DD that is.... biggrin.gif

It is almost out the door.

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Just in time for Christmas look forward to the tutorial!!!!!

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not to blow up the post but any news on the screen?

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