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Better late than never.....

OK...so early this afternoon the FedEX Home Delivery Van pulled in, and the Driver pulled out my 96" x 48" x 6mm SINTRA.

It might have been my urging to Customer Service after my first 60" x 120"er was returned damaged prior to delivery that made it happen, but in any case, my sheet came wrapped up in Amazon Cardboard Boxes.

Loosely wrapped...but wrapped nonetheless. The ends were completely taped shut, and the boxes were "open" and slid over the Sheet. Two issues...the Boxes used were so big they had significant space left over, and for some weird reason, whoever went to the trouble to at least package the sheet in the Boxes did not bother to tape the overlapping unions between the three boxes used.

Here's what the thing looked like coming off the Truck.



As you can see, the edges were completely taped shut.




A little "Gap'y" though.....








No attempt had been made to open the package, what you see is how it appeared as it was set down. Even so, when I peeked into the "Gap" the part of the sheet I could see looked relatively unscathed.

So it seems I will be sending these images to Customer Support, and perhaps...just maybe....it might get things "tightened up".

Tomorrow I will unpack it......today's delivery supplied enough trauma.

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Whole lot nicer than what I got . Can see the refund was fairly justified. You can imagine what you'd see on a close up. Still going to see what I can do about it. I'm confidant in my ability to repair drywall, there's just a lot to fix.

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Whole lot nicer than what I got . Can see the refund was fairly justified. You can imagine what you'd see on a close up. Still going to see what I can do about it. I'm confidant in my ability to repair drywall, there's just a lot to fix.
Get a package of Magic Erasers and go over the best side thoroughly before you do anything else. Apply the Mud sparingly, and after lightly feathering out the edges of any repair, spray on at least 3 Primer coats and you should be ready to rock a great screen.

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Looks like the 120" x 60" is available again. Shipping within 1 to 2 months. Gift wrapping available.

http://www.amazon.com/Sintra-Satin-B...28Pack+of+1%29

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Looks like the 120" x 60" is available again. Shipping within 1 to 2 months. Gift wrapping available.
HA Ha Ha !

I gotta wonder what "Gift Wrapping" would bring to the table.

1 to 2 Months? Typo...yes...No...?


Ok...went to check it out....it did say "Shipping usually 1-2 months" but when I put in a order it gave Free 2 Day Prime Shipping. That could mean that when it does ship eventually it will only be 2 days in the delivery pipline.

But I'm certain it was a Typo.

As for Gift Wrapping.....$3.99 I hope the Bow is a pretty one
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Looks like the 120" x 60" is available again. Shipping within 1 to 2 months. Gift wrapping available.
HA Ha Ha !

I gotta wonder what "Gift Wrapping" would bring to the table.

1 to 2 Months? Typo...yes...No...?


Ok...went to check it out....it did say "Shipping usually 1-2 months" but when I put in a order it gave Free 2 Day Prime Shipping. That could mean that when it does ship eventually it will only be 2 days in the delivery pipline.

But I'm certain it was a Typo.

As for Gift Wrapping.....$3.99 I hope the Bow is a pretty one
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If they get the packaging figured out I'd even be willing to wait the 1-2 months for a clean sheet. I just got a quote from Curbell Plastics in Syracuse NY for $160 for 6 mm cut to 96" x 54", and I have to pick it up.

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If they get the packaging figured out I'd even be willing to wait the 1-2 months for a clean sheet. I just got a quote from Curbell Plastics in Syracuse NY for $160 for 6 mm cut to 96" x 54", and I have to pick it up.
Well I called about the misprint and ascertained that it was exactly that.

And my thinking is that if Gift Wrapping is specified, then some degree of extra Effort will be made to protect the product.

So....I'll guinea pig it by giving the 120"er another go. Before Friday we'll know for certain.

(...I'm just made of Money, all ya all....)

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I placed the order, and yes, it stated delivery between July 21st and August 6th.


Thank you, your order has been placed.
An email confirmation has been sent to you. We'll text you delivery updates.

Order Number: 109-8252392-8773067
  • 1 item will be shipped to Roland M Boughton II by Amazon.com. Estimated delivery: July 21, 2014 - Aug. 6, 2014


If the issue is a misprint, with the specified 2-Day Prime Shipping, I should get notification of shipment by Tomorrow.

If not, I'll call Customer Service and either sort things out or cancel my order.

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Get a package of Magic Erasers and go over the best side thoroughly before you do anything else. Apply the Mud sparingly, and after lightly feathering out the edges of any repair, spray on at least 3 Primer coats and you should be ready to rock a great screen.
Hope to make time to do the repairs and build a backing frame this weekend, though will likely wait to do any spraying until I move it to the house it will be installed in (likely update in the SF thread when that time comes). Thanks for your help thus far

Looking forward to seeing what comes out of Amazon from this point on.
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As far as that goes, my order placed this AM has generated a notification that my sheet of SINTRA has been delivered to the Shipper.

Gosh Darn....how fast a Month flies by!


..............then again, maybe not so fast. I do advise that any who are hoping to order SINTRA wait until I actually see my order's Tacking Info arrive in my Inbox.

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As far as that goes, my order placed this AM has generated a notification that my sheet of SINTRA has been delivered to the Shipper.

Gosh Darn....how fast a Month flies by!


..............then again, maybe not so fast. I do advise that any who are hoping to order SINTRA wait until I actually see my order's Tacking Info arrive in my Inbox.
And nearly as important, if the packaging has improved with input provided by AVS members. I'm willing to do my own trimming, but patching is too much to ask. I'll just fork over the $160 and pick up a cut piece locally and call it even.

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The SINTRA is indeed back ordered.

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The SINTRA is indeed back ordered.
Pardon me for saying it, but this is nuts! Nuts on the part of Amazon, to think they can sell 120x60 boards (of anything) to Home Theater enthusiasts, and nuts of us to expect any common carrier could deliver to our door in pristine shape. I mean, even if they CRATED the things I would not expect them to arrive pristine--best hope IMO is to find a local supplier and get one out of the middle of a perfect stack.

OTOH I suppose if you intend anyway to paint the board, maybe it's worth trying.

I've been using a simple Gatorfoam board (basically flat white paper-coated foam) for many years now and have managed to poke one tiny hole in it (which I patched with a little spackle and it's good-not-great ie I still can see it if I look for it) so can't imagine there's any hope for UPS-handling Sintra.
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Oh ye of little faith.

For many who both desire and need to use such a substrate, and are bereft of local sources, this possibility can be their only hope.

And yes....virtually anyone who considers using SINTRA is also gearing up to apply paint to it, so scuffs and slight mar marks are not a total Buzz Kill.

As for my own recently ordered 60" x 120" sheet, just this AM I got a delivery update stating a July 8th date for receipt.

I have it coming "Gift Wrapped"....after having it first sheathed in Cardboard, and on 2 Day-Delivery. So we shall soon see.

You can all be certain that if it comes buggered up, and improperly wrapped, I'll toss in the towel. For the record, I do have a local supplier, so this "experiment" is for everyone else's benefit. But lest anyone thing it a great sacrifice, remember this is a "Prime" item, and subject to easy Return / Refund status, so my risk is at least minimal, seeing that disappointment is all I am risking.

As for the difference between Gatorfoam and SINTRA, there is a world's worth. Pressure alone can dent the Gator, let alone a even a light brush-in with a sharp object. SINTRA is far more durable, but even so, it does not take kindly to a heavy hand with a sharp object.

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Yet another shipping update:

Hello, We have good news! We're able to get this part of your order to you faster than we originally promised: "Sintra Satin PVC Foam Board, 120" Length x 60" Width x 6mm Thick, White (Pack of 1)" Previous estimated arrival date: July 08, 2014 New estimated arrival date: July 01, 2014

Goodness...I'm all a'twitter.

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Oh ye of little faith.

For many who both desire and need to use such a substrate, and are bereft of local sources, this possibility can be their only hope.
Yeah, I get it. Still I'll be amazed if anyone is happy with how these things arrive at their door.

We live in the country and buy A LOT of stuff off'n Amazon and other online places and while we have SOME FAITH that packaging is going to be adequate to the task, this one seems destined for disappointment.

But I'm glad you are testing them--will be interesting to see what on Earth Amazon did with your "gift-wrap" request!

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But I'm glad you are testing them--will be interesting to see what on Earth Amazon did with your "gift-wrap" request!

Yeah Buddy! I'm gonna call them this AM to see if (ie: remind them ) of that.

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Yeah Buddy! I'm gonna call them this AM to see if (ie: remind them ) of that.
I wonder too HOW you are going to "call" Amazon!? I thought Amazon was a collection of PCs and conveyor belts buried somewhere in the mountains of Nevada.

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I wonder too HOW you are going to "call" Amazon!? I thought Amazon was a collection of PCs and conveyor belts buried somewhere in the mountains of Nevada.

Actually, they call me. I click on "Help"...give 'em reason I need assistance, and request a call. within 5 seconds the Phone rings and after a short wait, a actual person answers.

When I did call as I last stated, they told me all my requests (...and concerns...) had been provided to the shipping dept.

A little known fact: The largest distribution node for Amazon is in Tennessee.

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Actually, they call me. I click on "Help"...give 'em reason I need assistance, and request a call. within 5 seconds the Phone rings and after a short wait, a actual person answers.
I'm a Prime member for years and didn't know this!
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I'm a Prime member for years and didn't know this!
I abuse the privilege quite often.

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New estimated arrival date: July 05, 2014

Why?

Because Amazon is using a Common Carrier! Or at least someone different that UPS and FedEx...who probably told the Amazonian 's to "Get a Life".

Carrier is "CEVA" http://www.cevalogistics.com/en-US/Pages/default.aspx

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Why don't they just use one of their drones to deliver it and be done.

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Why?

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Carrier is "CEVA" http://www.cevalogistics.com/en-US/Pages/default.aspx
Hey I just ordered a 120x60 sheet of Sintra for my new Benq w1070 that I will hopefully be receiving tomorrow. Would you direct me to the latest and greatest paint formula for this thing? Maybe another link for something very simple and cheap to get me by until I can grab the good stuff? The room is light tight but the ceilings are white and the walls are a light green. Also do you have a good link on how to fix it up nice with a frame, black border, and get it ready for hanging etc? For right now I will have to hang it from an angled ceiling. By the way I'm in Memphis, we're like neighbors man!

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Oh ye of little faith.

For many who both desire and need to use such a substrate, and are bereft of local sources, this possibility can be their only hope.

And yes....virtually anyone who considers using SINTRA is also gearing up to apply paint to it, so scuffs and slight mar marks are not a total Buzz Kill.

As for my own recently ordered 60" x 120" sheet, just this AM I got a delivery update stating a July 8th date for receipt.

I have it coming "Gift Wrapped"....after having it first sheathed in Cardboard, and on 2 Day-Delivery. So we shall soon see.

You can all be certain that if it comes buggered up, and improperly wrapped, I'll toss in the towel. For the record, I do have a local supplier, so this "experiment" is for everyone else's benefit. But lest anyone thing it a great sacrifice, remember this is a "Prime" item, and subject to easy Return / Refund status, so my risk is at least minimal, seeing that disappointment is all I am risking.

As for the difference between Gatorfoam and SINTRA, there is a world's worth. Pressure alone can dent the Gator, let alone a even a light brush-in with a sharp object. SINTRA is far more durable, but even so, it does not take kindly to a heavy hand with a sharp object.
Hey who is your local supplier? I'm in Memphis.
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Hey who is your local supplier? I'm in Memphis.
Piedmont Plastics

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Thanks. Picked up a sheet yesterday. Looks nice but I can see the texture of the sintra board. I can also see a few scuff marks when white light shines on it. What should I use to paint this? Is it silver fire 2.5? 3.0??? My room is very dark, blacked out window so no light is coming in through there. I also never watch anything with the light on. I will be painting the ceiling and walls something very dark. Maybe a dark burgandy or grey? On projectorcentral.com a guy claims the "Sherwin-Williams ProClassic, Extra White, Satin, Smooth Enamel Finish, # B20 W 51. It retails for $19.49 per quart." Gave him a screen surpassing the studiotek 100 but couldn't quite match the 130. What do you think about that?

http://www.projectorcentral.com/paint_perfect_screen_$100.htm?page=DIY-Screens


Also I could really use a frame building tutorial specifically for sintra board. Haven't been able to find one and have no idea what I'm doing here. One more thing, do you know of a place that rents out the type of sprayer I've seen you mention?
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DO NOT use the PC suggestion. It is wrong to use Satin "anything".

Send me a PM with contact info. I can let you borrow a sprayer, and who knows...for Beer & BBQ even personally help you with your Frame and Trim. I even have several gallons of SF lying about.

Iffin' ya wanna...you can do a quick Home Theater Crawl to a few of my local examples that have Sintra-Based SF screens.

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DO NOT use the PC suggestion. It is wrong to use Satin "anything".

Send me a PM with contact info. I can let you borrow a sprayer, and who knows...for Beer & BBQ even personally help you with your Frame and Trim. I even have several gallons of SF lying about.

Iffin' ya wanna...you can do a quick Home Theater Crawl to a few of my local examples that have Sintra-Based SF screens.

Gotta take good care of my Memphis AVS Homeboys.....right?
Seriously??? Man that'd be great! I could bring you some cash as a deposit. Beer bbq and a little cash just for letting me borrow it. I couldn't ask for more than that, well, some of that Silverfire would be nice too if you're willing to sell it. I'd feel much better about getting the stuff from the man himself versus me mixing it up. I think I can handle the frame and trim, I've seen a few tutorials on making frames/trims for screens. I just wasn't sure if I should go about it the same way using sintra as you would with any other material. I know I need to support the backside to keep it nice in straight since it bows easily.

Are there any cons of using silverfire versus a white screen? Not sure but I believe the grey screens are most helpful in rooms with ambient light and since I would always be using it with optimal dark wall/ceilings I wouldn't want to miss out on anything that a grey screen would inhibit. Maybe it would just look that much better in a dark room with the silverfire? By the way the sintra board looks pretty amazing by itself, thanks for turning me on to it. Very happy with the quality of image from this projector too. Hard to believe I got a picture this nice for $729 no tax, free shipping. Plus the $100 for the sintra of course. Definitely going to check out those examples you are talking about. Just sent you contact info.

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A Final Update..................

.....................and it's not "all good".

I received a call from the Shipper that the container arrived with some exterior Damage. I had contacted them prior because Amazon made available the Name of the Shipping Company, and I called and requested that they contact me "BEFORE" bringing the Box out to my location.

This they did, and in doing so informed me that the damaged box allowed them to see a long horizontal gouge along the top edge of the material. That was on one side. On the opposite side at a bottom corner was another spot where the bottom corner of the box had been almost torn away, with subsequent damage to said corner of SINTRA.

Now to be completely fair, Amazon is really trying here. I asked that the material be "Boxed" and the material inside receive a "Wrap" and that's exactly what they did.



What is shown above is a quantum leap of improvement over the effort as shown at the top of this page. In this instance, the Shipper is to be faulted for a decided lack of care, although when pressed for an explanation they retorted that there were no "Fragile" stickers. Well...by my reasoning that doesn't wash because obviously, by virtue of the next two images, they must have really jammed it into a tight space to rip the bottom corner out (...as seen in the first image...) and crowded (slid) other freight up against it to rip the Cardboard so much as well as gouge the material at both the Top edge as well as several inches below as shown.





Sooooo..........Amazon has been contacted....and a immediate refund for the 120" x 60"er applied. Also, the first 96" x 48"er is being picked up, as I decided I didn't want to fool with it. Also a Refund is being facilitated.

A lengthy conversation with Customer Service and a forwarding of images of the current damaged Container / SINTRA to same has elicited a profuse apology, as well as stalwart assurance that Amazon is dedicated to getting this sorted out with the Shipper. Also, my (verbal ) intercourse with the Shipper has resulted in assurances that they too will contribute more effort for any such packages.

For those with no other options available to obtain SINTRA, I suppose I still feel this source is a governable risk. My experience is not wasted if it results in more awareness by the folks at the big "A" and others do not suffer such delays and / or disappointments.

At this conjecture I leave it as such....:

Order the SINTRA from Amazon with the full knowledge and understanding that it might be an exercise in frustration...or a easily obtainable method of acquisition.
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