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122" Silver Fire v2.5 5.0 Screen on Barbados

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OK...been here 2 days, wading though some Monsoonal rainfall and Island mentality at the local Hardware / Lumber supply Store (Ace Hardware no less...) Managed to obtain the needed Lumber for the Frame & Trim

My 3 quarts of SF Paint and Spray Gun (Earlex 2901 w/1.0 mm Tip) Plastic Masking supplies and Squirrel Mixer were shipped onto the Island ahead of time. Sailed it all through Barbados Customs without a cent of Duty too. (...no small feat that...)

This screen's substrate is Flexi-White. Originally we were going with Sintra, but delays in shipping that would prevented it from being here while I was forced a change up...which is OK really because it give the Individual more leeway as to choosing screen sizes. That's important because this Fellow will be doing many more later on as his personal Home's screen will be for demonstration purposes.

The Sintra is still in route, but coming via Boat (...slow boat via China obviously... )

I had a spot of issue with getting my lumber delivered. Picked out some choice pieces, had them ripped and cut to order...bundled up with Tape, and marked with a name and address.

They delivered someones else's order.

Excessive Rum consumption by the workers...obviously. A happy lot...boisterous and loud, but efficient...? Not.

So back again today to get our order. At this conjecture, I now have the basic frame assembled. On a side note, I was unable to get the Kreg Tool Kit I wanted before leaving. I came onto Barbados in a bit of a Funk thinking how the Frame would be difficult to get square...but Lo and Behold...there was the exact same needed Kreg Kit sitting on the shelf at the store !

Of course on Barbados it costs $240.00 (Barbados $) vs $99.00 at Home Depot (Barbados vs USD is 1.98 to 1.00)
Then there are import fees and duties.. But my Fellow was glad to spring for it as I told him of it's desirability. You see...I myself am a Fanboy of the Kreg, having used it before and finding is worthy.

So here are some shots of what is...and is to come.

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And now...the much vaunted Kreg Jig !



A Kreg Joint.................



........and, The Frame...almost complete. 119" x 62"



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MM, I am looking forward to see how this buld turns out. I will be doing something similar this winter once my new house is built. Are you going to do any preparation to the Flexi-White prior to the SF like priming it?
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wow barbados? you are like a 20min flight or 4hr boat ride away from me. I am in the island of Saint kitts and nevis.

awesome weather huh?
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MM, I am looking forward to see how this buld turns out. I will be doing something similar this winter once my new house is built. Are you going to do any preparation to the Flexi-White prior to the SF like priming it?
No...just wipe it clean and shoot onto it.

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wow barbados? you are like a 20min flight or 4hr boat ride away from me. I am in the island of Saint kitts and nevis.

awesome weather huh?
Today was...mostly sunny...87 degrees. Worked all day though, so it's not all Rum and Dancin'.

Too bad we couldn't have set up a 3-stop itinerary.

Have Gun...will squirt.

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Hello all!

My 3 quarts of SF Paint and Spray Gun (Earlex 2901 w/1.0 mm Tip) Plastic Masking supplies and Squirrel Mixer were shipped onto the Island ahead of time. Sailed it all through Barbados Customs without a cent of Duty too. (...no small feat that...)
MississippiMan, whats your opinion on the earlex, formaly Graco, 2901 unit with the new tip??
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OK...early AM on Barbados.

Made some progress yesterday..... Frame built:



Recessed Center Bracing....Dual French Cleats. Power sanded all facing the Flexi-White would pull over, as well as the French Cleat slopes



After hanging the Frame up I noticed the ends sagging down about 1" on each side. This was because I place the topmost French Cleat 12 below the top Frame member instead of directly against it. A couple of supportive Blocks fixed that small issue.



A Shot of the Frame hanging "nekked" on the Concrete Block Wall.



Here is a shot of the Flexi applied and the Screen in place



Got hit with a revelation late in the Day. The Epson 5030 to be used has 1400 hrs on the Lamp. Hmmmm....
Whatever else, the end results will reflect these specifications. A Dark SF screen...lots of light...bright white Walls and ceiling....and a Lamp at 40-50% under it's new brightness.

It will be interesting.

BTW, eventually the room involved is getting large 3' x 5' Acoustic Ceiling Panels in a Dark Coffee (Expresso) and the Walls will be a Flat Deep Blue-Green, and the Windows will get semi-opaque Curtain treatments.

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MississippiMan, whats your opinion on the earlex, formaly Graco, 2901 unit with the new tip??
It kicks serious arse and delivers a very wide pattern.........it's more powerful even than my Wagner Control Spray Max combined with a Graco 2900 Spray head. Not thrilled about the 11' hose though , being spoiled as I am using my 30' Wagner/Graco Hybrid Hose.

Now if you can just get past the first Duster looking "splatter-y"...and let the coats build up, you'll see it really does a great job atomizing the paint.
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The work progresses.....

...and it is sticky hot!

Below are shots of the ongoing effort.

First off...the mandatory "Tent".



Second....the 1st Duster Coat splatters...



...and the desire "Spray Pattern Height". A full 10" as shown here:


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Now I'm up to the 4th Duster......here is a shot of the "splatter pattern".



And this is how the screen looks with 4 Duster Coats


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...and it is sticky hot!


Second....the 1st Duster Coat splatters...


MississippiMan, You need to post a pic of this on the Main Silver Fire page so others will have an idea what a duster coating of silver fire looks like. Can you post it on the beginning page that have all the ingredients?? ? This is how my dusters looked too and I always thought it wasn't supposed to look like that. That was the cause of all my problems. I always thought it was supposed to look far more duster like when using a normal paint. I just figured i was doing something wrong the whole time.
I think in the whole silver fire forum, no where can a pic be found of what a duster coating looks like. Could be wrong about that though. Don't recall seeing one when i read the whole thing....
Have fun down there dude and thanks for all your help you give us.

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Actually there have been several such transitional images posted, along with spray patterns and spraying videos as well. I have threads dedicated to such, as well as those images and movies being contained within specific build threads.

We have discussed over the phone "several" times the need for moving rapidly across the surface, overlapping each such row by 70%, and how important it is to ignore how sporadically arrayed the initial Dusters look. Also how the thinner the mix, the faster the dusters are applied, and how subsequently it takes more coats to fill in the spaces between the dots.***

Also how essential it is to get each coat as dry as possible, as quickly as possible, so that the spray droplets will shrink and contract and become smooth....not bumpy.

Although it would be great to be able to say that every / all attempts would be equally done, that is never gonna happen. Crap...it doesn't happen with me, and I've done several hundred over the last 12 years. My advantage is having the experience to judge immediately how to adjust my speed to match a given Mix's viscosity. Your problem has always been trying to make the mix / gun produce to even a coverage on every coat.
Below is a link to a video showing a "rapid" duster.........................

http://s586.photobucket.com/user/Mis...36dda.mp4.html

You are indeed mistaken in believing that such Dusting pictorials don't exist. Some date back to 2005 in the S-I-L-V-E-R threads, where Dusting first became of paramount importance. The one linked to above was in a thread just 3months old. That said, it's highly unlikely you have gone to my profile, looked at all 7 pages of Thread listings, and read every one that pertained to Builds and painting. Understandably so...it would seem a daunting prospect indeed

***Lets take the current project as an example.The paint was thin...air pressure in abundance. The screen is 109" across. The amount of time it took me to cross the screen doing a Duster...3 seconds. Yeah...the paint will look like small droplets splattered onto the surface. After about the 4th / 5th coat it becomes apparent the paint is filling in the spaces in between the droplets.

A Duster coat does not mean it looks like a fine dust has settled onto the surface...it means you move rapidly enough and apply so little paint that you are in every sense "Dusting" paint on the screen. And no...I won't change the description to "Splatter Coats". I "Will" bow to your request that I post the image referred to on the Official Silver Fire Thread though.

So here are a few shots of the screen completed. 7 coats. Tomorrow (this AM actually) will see the big reveal.



The same shot with the Plastic pulled aside from the French Door:



And a close-up............

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Looks spectacular MM. Simply amazing.
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Thank you! Today's image testing will tell the tale. This is a metallic heavy mix, owning to the conditions the screen will be viewed in. Also, with a Lamp at / past 50% brightness, I want to judge the "screen's" brightness uniformity as opposed to that provided by the Lamp.

.......and I might have to revise this screen to a 6.0 as far as darkness becuase the v2.5 starts out darker initially and the addition of 5 oz Colorant really deepen the shade of Gray....considerably. Once it's up on the surface, one can really tell just how dark it is. Easily at / past BD-Slate levels.

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Torrential Rainfall.
Recalcitrant Staple Gun

More Beer than should be legally allowed.

= .........the screen is done. It's a magical thingee.

No Trim in these first several shots though....











A Black Nighttime scene in full Daylight from both directions









And now some Trim








Time for Eye Candy























Well that's a lot of screenies...but not nearly enough to illustrate how well the SF v2.5 6.0 (revised)

At that level of darkness...with gain as well, do not forget to add at least 8 additional ounces of UPW to offset the Mica Particles' tendency to create subtle screen speckles in bright static and panning screens. That's "speckles"...not "Sparklies". From 8' the "speckles" dissolve, but better to not have to deal with them at all.
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Fantastic Looking Screen, great job MM
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Thank MHI...

I opted not to post photos on your thread , I didn't want to generate any depression.

But be advised. .. There is a difference to be had, and you should make every attempt to avail yourself of it.

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Because this darker SF6 performs its cleanest with 8oz extra UPW and the SF8-10 versions likewise look their best after a recommended dose of added white, do you see the SF mix possibly undergoing a small tweak with a linear or logarithmic increase in UPW along with colorant in the same fashion the metallic components increase with higher amounts of colorant?
I mean something along the lines of the SF5 using an added 4oz of UPW and the sf4 adding 2oz and so on..
Or is there a pretty hard line where SF is very clean and then somewhere around 6 and below it can benefit from added white-masking (since it sounds like the speckling is basically a non-issue even at 6, and this was just an added measure for pixel-peepers).

Mainly, how light/dark is SF6+8oz white compared to regular SF5?

Simple <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room, build in a day, takedown in an hour.
Easy $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.

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Thank MHI...

I opted not to post photos on your thread , I didn't want to generate any depression.

But be advised. .. There is a difference to be had, and you should make every attempt to avail yourself of it.
It sure looks great no qualms about it, love to see a video I sure hope you got some

The night time city image Looks fantastic.

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Because this darker SF6 performs its cleanest with 8oz extra UPW and the SF8-10 versions likewise look their best after a recommended dose of added white, do you see the SF mix possibly undergoing a small tweak with a linear or logarithmic increase in UPW along with colorant in the same fashion the metallic components increase with higher amounts of colorant?
Answering both questions, the issue at hand is to if one can abide by the slight appearance of "screen Presence"...something most all Mfg screens have had to accept / deal with since the beginning. In truth, it was not until the advent and acceptance of the "4K Ready" surface that any concerted effort was made by Screen Mfg to produce a ultra smooth, texture free surface. Issues such as hot spotting (if gain was over 1.0), durability, cost of Mfg. , as well as the looming prospect that if QC wasn't exacting, "any" little blemish would spring out and slap a end user in the face.

In Silver Fire's case, the lighter the version, the less probability that such "presence" is of any issue at all. That is a graduated step, with 3.0 and below being absolutely devoid of such...without any additionally added white, and 4.0 and above benefiting from incremental increases.

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I mean something along the lines of the SF5 using an added 4oz of UPW and the sf4 adding 2oz and so on..
Or is there a pretty hard line where SF is very clean and then somewhere around 6 and below it can benefit from added white-masking (since it sounds like the speckling is basically a non-issue even at 6, and this was just an added measure for pixel-peepers).

Mainly, how light/dark is SF6+8oz white compared to regular SF5?
Again, a multiple answer.

That "hard line" is 3.0 however a 4.0 is virtually the same except under "wall texture-induced" circumstances. (...that is why Dusting onto SINTRA or smoothed Drywall is so essential...)

Going Upward in numerical order (..while darkness goes downward...) when a smooth substrate is used, at 12' away from the screen there is not trace of such "presence"...even at 8.0 levels without any added UPW. Step back to 5 feet and the issue starts to resolve itself as a look of slightly variable "pigskin" with very vague shadows between concentrations of Mica. The addition of UPW, proportionate to both the effect and a persona need / preference can do anything from reduce to eliminate the "presence" entirely.

Let us take for example the screen at hand.....

It exists at present in one of the worst imaginable viewing conditions, either in ambient light or unfettered sunlight from each side. Under those circumstances, the modest degree of "presence" is far less of a concern that a lack of view-ability in those draconian environs.

That in mind...when I viewed the screen at first...I was not really satisfied. I pulled no punches as far as the needed darkness, knowing the Client has a 5020 and such a abysmally light room. Then..about the time I had finished painting...along comes the revelation that upon discussion between themselves, a decision to repaint the room with a Dark Expresso Ceiling and Deep Green walls. Down the road though. At present they are ecstatic over the look without a image...and the performance in the current sate of lighting. The dreaded "Presence" issue is of no issue with them....it;s my own monkey on my back. But that's because of my standard of measure...which is pretty severe.

I have stated many times that the very properties that make Silver Fire such an exemplary performer in ambient light make it a "over the top...overachiever" in a darkened room. While some do state "why bother?" under such dark conditions, it's remains a great truth that once one sees just how vibrant and 3D-like a SF image is in the dark...there is left no room for doubt as to why one should indeed "bother".

But......it should be noted and accepted that if extreme conditions dictate the need for extreme SF versions, some acceptance of High Gain / High Contrast caveats will be called for. At least some comfort is to be had in knowing those caveats are not nearly as pronounced as Mfg Screens owning to the sasme purpose and performance, nor is cost anything remotely comparative. And if a slight reduction in performance is acceptable, muting "presence" with additional UPW in amounts commensurate to the darkness desired / needed, will both reduce or eliminate those minor caveats, while still maintaining a high level of ambient light performance.

BTW...I'm back in the USA now.
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Sounds like a good example of how handy it is to be able to customize SF on the fly for evolving room-requirements. How much UPW do you think you would've gone with if the room was staying white (hypothetical for this particular SF6 screen/room)?

I really like how it looks against the light wall without the border (the screen looks darker without the adjacent black reference-point). I'd imagine a very narrow, not stark-black boarder would be a nice paring for fans of the BDZE screens.

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Mm,

What are your thoughts on Barbados? Could you consider living there, or only a nice place to visit?
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Actually it was the "White" condition of the room that mad me not choose to mitigate the Gray / Reflective ratio.

Had I known otherwise, a 4.0 would have been more suitable.

Then again, what with the location being Barbados, and more often that not intense sunlight being the rule one lives by, that too weighed heavily on my choice. And with the user's intent to exhibit his screen to possibly promote sales in such a area, doing so "worst case" is a good strategy.

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What are your thoughts on Barbados? Could you consider living there, or only a nice place to visit?
A nice place to visit...perhaps even repeatedly...and dine extensively on good, healthy fare........;

But as far as living there...it is gawd awful expensive to live at even anything close to Middle Class.

Then there is the local's Island mentality which runs counter to all but the most Valium assisted of us here in the US.

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It can't hardly get any better........

I am expecting a report from the End User soon (...who also happens to be a member...) to post up on this Thread.
(........and I did ask for some brief Movies clips, MHI

While we wait.....I wanted to share one on the singular most beautiful Sunsets I have ever seen in all my travels across this Globe.

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I am expecting a report from the End User soon (...who also happens to be a member...) to post up on this Thread.
(........and I did ask for some brief Movies clips, MHI

While we wait.....I wanted to share one on the singular most beautiful Sunsets I have ever seen in all my travels across this Globe.

How thats an image of pure beauty!!

Looking forward to the videos MM
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Awesome sunset and screen.
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Really Nice Place and you jobs is Wonderful i don have word to explain your professional work .


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