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Az Black Pearl paint and silver grey screen mix for Epson 3600e

Made a batch of black pearl for those who PM me and sent email from my YouTube channel if I had tested Black pearl with this projector 3600e. Decided to give it a try as I have a lot of paint left over from my previous Silver Screen mix.
Works pretty good to my surprise blacks are blacker and whites and colors came out decent. I prefer my Silver Grey Screen Mix. But again made the video for those who asked and those who are looking for something darker than a grey mix.

Have not tested other projectors with my Az black pearl paint. Also does not work for 3D from my 3600e it is way to dark. But I do not use it for 3D.
Windows were open and lights turned on and it is pretty good complete darkening was great.

Again only tested with Epson 3600e
Same as the 3500.

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Silver Grey Screen mix
Valdosta Pearl and Behr Silver Screen mix

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Made a batch of black pearl for those who PM me and sent email from my YouTube channel if I had tested Black pearl with this projector 3600e. Decided to give it a try as I have a lot of paint left over from my previous Silver Screen mix.
Works pretty good to my surprise blacks are blacker and whites and colors came out decent. I prefer my Silver Grey Screen Mix. But again made the video for those who asked and those who are looking for something darker than a grey mix.

Have not tested other projectors with my Az black pearl paint. Also does not work for 3D from my 3600e it is way to dark. But I do not use it for 3D.
Windows were open and lights turned on and it is pretty good complete darkening was great.

Again only tested with Epson 3600e
Same as the 3500.
Here is a video of the paint

http://youtu.be/lh_dFwHYcjE
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Videos was on my iPhone
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My wall is textured. Been busy and no time to pick up my abs sheet.
Can't wait to paint on a smooth surface.
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I've been thinking about a mixture. I'm gonna skip out on using the SilverScreen paint due to it not being a neutral grey. I am going to add some Behr flat ceiling paint for it's diffusing properties to the Vaspar Brushed Pearl to lighten up it's off white appearance and then add in Behr flat black until I get the color I want.

Here is a list of what I have now.

Valspar Signature - Interior Brushed Pearl Base (272424) | 1-Gallon
Behr Premium Plus - Interior Ceiling Flat (Ultra Pure White - 558) | 1-Quart
Behr Premium Plus - Interior Flat Enamel (Ultra Flat Black - 1753) | 1-Gallon
Glidden - Gripper White Primer | 1-Gallon

Anyone think the Behr 1850 UPW Flat would be a better option than the ceiling paint or will the Gripper make a suitable substitute ?

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That's exactly how I made mine.
SS first coat
Brushed Pearl and flat black
Added Behr SS to help out the whites
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Valspar signature brushed pearl
Untinted
Lowes is where I found it.
Also - valspar flat black in a quart

Behr ultra matte 1750
Color-770E-2 silver screen
1 gallon
Homedepot has it
Also 8oz behr ultra white Flat

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As Black pearl was rolled on and only did one coat with a 3/4 roller not what I wanted but was for TESTING only.
You can see roller marks in the vid.
Only made enough for one coat.
Mix Az black pearl

Ratio

Valspar signature brushed pearl
Winter blue fox
1 to 1
Valspar flat black
Mixed together

Ratio 3 of mix to 1/2 SS

Behr ultra matte 1750
Color-770E-2 silver screen
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Bad video upload. I'll try again had to delete YouTube video

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Looking good. After some dry time it looks a lot better than the first video, blacks aren't so crushed now. Whites look to have lost some of their blue tint also. Definitely improving with age!

My PJ arrives tomorrow and painting will begin on Saturday. Can't wait to try this Valspar Pearl, looks very promising!

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Thank you.
Does look better now. It's only one coat too. You can notice the roller marks as I also did it with a 3/4 nap roller. I didn't realize till after I dipped it in paint.
Thinking of doing 2 more coats and leaving it as my screen. It was for testing but does satisfy my eyes. First video was 8hrs after paint.
Probably will tweak it a little more.
Sunday hopefully.
Gonna paint 2 screens for a church 250 inch each. 4000 lumens PJ's

Did my silver grey screen at a 100 inch but way to much light going in

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@James of Az , in what setting is your projector running in the videos (high, low - un-/calibrated), and how old is your lamp approximately?
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@James of Az , in what setting is your projector running in the videos (high, low - un-/calibrated), and how old is your lamp approximately?
Setting when Ambient light windows open it is living room Mode Calibrated Disney wow disk. Lamp on Medium

Blacked out room is in Cinema mode Disney wow disc calibrated Lamp medium. Bright Pj
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Lamp is at 400 hrs
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Finally done 3 coats AZ Black Pearl
Got the roller marks out
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Finally done 3 coats AZ Black Pearl
Got the roller marks out
Watched the new vid, looking excellent!

Be sure to update the OP with your final mixture.
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Can you place another reference up over the screen, white preferably? Of course take a shot under controlled lighting, no one can expect a White to rival the performance of that screen in ambient light.
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I'm guessing the shade should be similar to "ObsidianGlass" (N4.3), and the gain is likely 0.5 on-axis and falls gently to about 0.2gain at the farthest off-axis (where nobody actually watches from).

The 3000/3500/3600 is bright enough to hit over 15ftL on a 148" 0.5gain surface, but 3D would likely be under 7ftL.

That all said, I was wrong about the shade of the first mix..that pearl/WinterFox is quite a bit darker than I figured.

Simple <$250 dedicated black-fabric theater room, build in a day, takedown in an hour.
Easy $25-40 DIY black/dark-grey ambient-light rejecting screen, grab two things from a local store..mix..roll..done.
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[QUOTE=James of Az;34655673]Made a batch of black pearl for those who PM me and sent email from my YouTube channel if I had tested Black pearl with this projector 3600e. Decided to give it a try as I have a lot of paint left over

Have not tested other projectors with my Az black pearl paint.
Also does not work for 3D from my 3600e it is way to dark. But I do not use it for 3D.

Windows were open and lights turned on and it is pretty good complete darkening was great.

Again only tested with Epson 3600e
Same as the 3500.


Will get a something white to compare it with. Pretty sure whites will be whiter .

Winter fox blue is mixed with flat Black
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Can you place another reference up over the screen, white preferably? Of course take a shot under controlled lighting, no one can expect a White to rival the performance of that screen in ambient light.
Look at the YouTube video at the beginning is in a light controled shot.
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I'm guessing the shade should be similar to "ObsidianGlass" (N4.3), and the gain is likely 0.5 on-axis and falls gently to about 0.2gain at the farthest off-axis (where nobody actually watches from).

The 3000/3500/3600 is bright enough to hit over 15ftL on a 148" 0.5gain surface, but 3D would likely be under 7ftL.

That all said, I was wrong about the shade of the first mix..that pearl/WinterFox is quite a bit darker than I figured.
Way to dark for 3D don't recommend it for that. Need a neutral grey for 3d.
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Look at the YouTube video at the beginning is in a light controled shot.
MM I believe wants to see if there is any color shifting going on.

EDIT: I'm interested in this also as it will let me know if I need to add anymore colors to make it more neutral.

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MM I believe wants to see if there is any color shifting going on.
I do, as well as the degree of attenuation overall.

Using a dark surface to offset ambient light is so well known, it hardly bears repeating or advocating unless that surface eliminates...or in the least mitigates both of those overriding concerns.
That is why a truly neutral Grey surface, painted on or otherwise, has always been the "Easy" route to take if one had sufficient Lumen output to offset attenuation.

Any light cannon shooting onto a dark Grey surface can accomplish the job. But if one needs to bring out "Big Bertha" to watch varied content (2D & 3D) and has to use excessive calibration to restore a vestige of color correctness and white balance, then too much is being sacrificed to offset the gains made against ambient light alone.

It just helps to clarify exactly what is happening, and what others might / will expect to happen.

To that effect James has openly expressed how the mix as employed is too dark for effective 3D viewing using a pretty effective and bright projector. (...some would not be so open and straightforward...) While that in and of itself is not a reason to dismiss, such would also point toward the potential of the crushing of shadow details and whites, as well as creating distinctive color pushes (usually toward Blue). While again, for some that might not be enough to matter if the ambient light dragon is slain, for others, finding those things out post-painting could be a harrowing ordeal.

So better to make it clear so that people are well informed....and prepared to make a decision based on such information.

All said...I think the shown results look good...very good, so let no one thing I'm fishin' with a Harpoon Gun here. Just using that 'ol Glass Bottom Boat called "askin' the important questions" to help us all see things more clearly.

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I've been thinking about purchasing this BoneBlack paint as I am guessing the black I have is LampBlack. The BB has a RGB value of 8:8:8 versus LB somewhere around 40:41:43. I plan on spraying so it should help as a thinner also without diluting the pearl flakes too much. Of course that could lead to hot spotting also
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Will get a something white to compare it with. Pretty sure whites will be whiter .

Winter fox blue is mixed with flat Black
If they are......and do not push Blue to get there, you'll have struck DIY Gold.

If not, from the looks of what can be seen, it's still a very viable choice among many.

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AZ black Pearl on the right
White screen Left
Ambient light room
And light controlled room

Last pic of solid white output.
Reason I don't like black. Damn that made a difference

As why I prefer the silver Grey mix
But also black are not good on a white screen

Both have what people don't like and do.

Reason I made black for those asking me for it.
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Definate shift towards blue in this shot. Glad I got the unmixed base.
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