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post #1 of 15 Old 05-26-2016, 12:33 PM - Thread Starter
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Heading out tomorrow early afternoon to San Diego to re-paint a original Silver Fire Light Fusion 110'er for a previous owner as well as a New 120" Electric Matte White screen for the venerable CMRA himself! Both will be getting coatings of Black Flame X1I. As for myself...I will be getting my insides coated with some excellent Brews from the Green Flash Brewery.

Doing the painting labor on both screens as a favor / gift while also taking the time to drive up to LA to demo some stuff to someone else. Iffin' I'm a gonna be in LaLa Land for business for 10 days , I might as well bring some pleasure with me too!

There will be Instructional Videos and Stills to follow, along with the mandatory Screen shots....naturally !

Any local AVS'ers who might want to join in on the action and see things happen themselves, chime in. There will be a Field Trip to the Green Flash Brewery planned where besides the Tasting Bar, right up there high on the Wall is a 180" Silver Fire to gawk at.

I hope some of you might be able to join us!

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Ok, so I'm here and ready...but waiting for the temperature to come up....because I'm going to paint the Retractable Screen semi-outside in a open Stairwell. As seen in the image below, the screen will be placed (hung) on the Wall after said wall is properly masked off with Brown Paper (...which is currently being done...)





Currently the outside Temp. is 62 degrees, with a relative humidity of 68%. That is both cool and close to the dew point, so I'm not at all happy. But as in all things that come with a degree of unpredictability, sometimes you simply must "get'ter dun!"

So I will take this opportunity to show what DOES need to be done so that others who find themselves in such similar and less-than-desirable circumstances won't hesitate. Much.

More to follow soon, as set-up and the eventual painting gets underway.
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Logistically, painting a 120" screen in such limited space is already proving to be a......well it rhymes with Twitch....and makes me wanna "pitch" one.

The cool temps require the use of a Fan, yet the furthest I can place one away is just under 4'. Never tried that before with a solid surface, let alone a Vinyl Drop-down.

And I have a degree of difficulty avoiding my Hose as I meander back and forth doing the "Mississippi Shuffle"...which is more aptly like to be called the "Mississippi Stumble" before this afternoon's work is through.

I'm trying to do this without using my Knee Brace, and I feel like I'm on the verge of stumbling on every pass.

But I will not! Must not! Had better not!

2 coats into it so far.

2nd Coat Duster Dot pattern:


The Fan:

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5 Coats in. Things are evening out.



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Done!

Screen shots coming this evening. For now I'm going on a Food & Beer run.

...next day......

All it took was 1 Heineken and a big plate of Tony's most excellent Chicken-Veg Stir Fry and I was effectually done for the night. Seems I wear out easy these days.

BTW, the Electric Retractable Screen is a 120"er, and was only $130.00 (Home Gear *Amazon* )
Basically, it's about the cheapest Electric screen of such a size I have ever encountered. The Drop material is exceedingly thin, and had a noticeable cross weave (..but that was texture-less...). The screen had almost no drop distance between the Case and the image area save the 2" Black border, another first for me, and something that called for some inventive adjustment with my Gun to effect a even coverage along the top edge.

But the most worrisome aspect of painting onto a non-Tab Tensioned screen is the waviness / wrinkle issues most all inexpensive screen can have (...and some expensive ones too...) Even the best of paint jobs won't cover a wrinkle or disguise a wave. Then there is the always mentioned "What happens if I paint onto a retractable screen?" question.

Well.......nothing in this case. While during the painting process the weight of the wet paint (...even a Duster Coat weighs a bit when wet...) caused the material to drape into some slight waves, as each coat dried the material pulled back taunt (...like leather drying does...) and at the end, the fully painted screen looked straighter and smoother than it ever had before.

As in the past experiences I've had painting onto retractable screens, the uniquely thin and flexible Black Flame paint lent itself to being an excellent choice. Ambient Light use will be limited to almost zero because CMRA doesn't watch "anything" on his big screen in the daytime, owning no fewer that 5 LED TVs, 2 of which are 4Ks(...and one a 70"er)

The primary purpose behind painting this screen was to improve Black Levels from the point where the PJ (Vivitek) and Screen (Matte White) fell short in combined use.

This AM I took the following images, with the eastern Sun coming in around the edges of the screen. Later there will be Eye candy, but for now......

The Beer that did me in last night........



And the Fellow who watched it happen.....










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Thanks for the pics.
Did the white hallway wall survive? Your overspray looks a little close on that left side...
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Thanks for the pics.
Did the white hallway wall survive? Your overspray looks a little close on that left side...
Actually it did quite well.I was as careful as possible, and manage to see no vestige of overspray on the walls / ceiling.

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Just a few more pocs and movin' on....

Tomorrow I start on the re-do of a 110" SF=Light Fusion w/Black Flame X1I

But before I retired I took a few Avatar shots, all in motion.














All told, this turned out well and serves to show there is Life after Matte.
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Zero Edge as it should / can be DIY

OK...things went well...and quickly in doing the re-paint of the Light Fusion screen

Here are some images.

Before Paint:



After paint and Trim:



(Shadow on Right outside edge is off Trim )


Ambient Light Shot of finished Screen:



And after a job well done....my just reward.



Trim was 3/4" x 1/4" Shoe Mold covered with Carl's Black Flocking Tape. 2" size wrapped completely around the trim, and the Trim was affixed to the Screen perimeter using 1.25" Bright Finish Nails and they were then set using a fine point Nail Set.

I hope to get some more shots (it was late and I was hurtin' ) but the one's shown give a fairly decent representation of the re-purposed Light Fusion.
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Gods Of Egypt Screenies on 120" Electric Matte White w/Black Flame X1I Coating

And every one taken with the Images in motion....Blacks are greatly improved over the Matte White while whites and colors remain virtually untouched.















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So after this screen was painted, re-hung, and put through its paces, would you recommend attempting to paint a HomeGear electric screen?
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So after this screen was painted, re-hung, and put through its paces, would you recommend attempting to paint a HomeGear electric screen?
Well.....I thought that was pretty clearly stated. I was both surprised and happy that the existing waves on the non-painted screen straightened out perfectly once the paint was finished and dried.

and since that day the Screen has been rolled up / down several times to no ill effect.

Prior to this instance, the majority of Electric Screens I've painted were Tab Tensioned, so as to avoid the chance of any waves....ever.

However several years back I posted a Thread about a non- tensioned 135" Elite I sprayed, (...also in San Diego...) and that puppy is still hangin' in there, nice and straight, no paint issues, and over 8+ years of Retracting and extracting too.

So yeah...for the silly inexpensive cost of a Home Gear, ab-sew-lutely it would be and is worth it.
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Very nice work. Do you re-calibrate the PJ after done painting the black fame onto it?
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Also, if the roller of the motorized screen is not 100% smooth, would it damage the coating?
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Very nice work. Do you re-calibrate the PJ after done painting the black fame onto it?
While this may seem strange to those who advocate doing a calibration on any "Gray" screen, the properties that help Black Flame / Silver Fire paints perform so well across so many aspects of image quality naturally lend themselves to retaining both a neutral color reproduction and brightness level. Over many such installations, the singular most often "tweak" has been a limited "downward" adjustment to brightness levels....something that never seems to be of consequence.

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Also, if the roller of the motorized screen is not 100% smooth, would it damage the coating?
If the painted screen is left to cure an adequately long time under decent drying conditions, the nature of the flexibility of the paint itself prevents and cracking or smudging. I cannot recall a single reported instance of anyone ever having a defect crop up after the fact....after many 100s of cycles, so I'd answer the question above with a irrevocable "No".

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