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post #541 of 918 Old 02-09-2004, 04:51 PM
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Clarence, what are some CRT options?
Clue me in, good man. If I wanted a used Marquee, where do I start?

The most recommended source (much less risky than eBay) is Curt Palme. E-mail him at curtpalme@shawbiz.ca and ask for his CRT FAQ and used PJ list. He's one of the most respected CRT forum members.

Here are my recommendations for CRTs and accessories to consider:

- GOOD: Electrohome ECP3000/3100/4000, Sony VPH-1031/1252/127x, Barco 800/801, Ampro ($500-$1500)
- BETTER: Electrohome Marquee 8000/8500, NEC PG or XG, Barco 808+, Sony 1292, Sony G70, Ampro 3600 ($1000-$5000)
- BEST: Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC ($5000-$15000+)

Input Sources
- NOT SO GOOD: composite VCR
- GOOD: s-video DVD from set top box (480i)
- BETTER: s-video doubled using cheap line doubler ($60-$120), DVD with HD DVI-I scaling ($199)
- BEST: HTPC, HD (720p or 1080i from cable box or $150-$400 HDTV PC card)
- BEYOND: $1000+ videophile components and scalers

Screen
- GOOD: existing wall, bright-white flat/matte paint
- BETTER: wall painted with DIY mix from Screens forum, ScreenGoo, or 4x8 sheet of parkland
- BEST: you can spend $200-$2000+ on commercial screens, see the Screens forum

Cables
- GOOD: S-video
- BETTER: VGA to 5BNC to hook up from HTPC's video card ($15-$150)
- BEST: you can spend lots on cables (if you want to)

Mounting
- GOOD: on a folding table in your basement
- BETTER: Coffee table hush box on your floor
- BEST: Ceiling mounted
- BEYOND: Ceiling mounted with hush box, external venting, finished and receded into the ceiling as much as possible with only the lenses peeking out; or rear projection from an equipment room with a elaborate stage and motorized curtains

HTPC
- GOOD: almost any PC (probably 1GHz+) and it's existing video card, and DVD drive ($29-$129) (total: free-$500)
- BETTER: 2GHz+ CPU, 256Mb+ RAM, ATI Radeon (or nvidia)
- BEST: 3GHz CPU (to play those HD WM9 movies), Radeon with Mike Parker Mods, HDTV card (I love my $159 FusionHDTV-II) for viewing and recording Over-the-Air HiDef TV (aka OTA, i.e. free broadcast).

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And here is Curt's list from last week, just to give you a feel of what the options, conditions, and price ranges are:
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Subject: Used projector list Feb 1, 2004


Here again is a list of used projectors that are in stock. There's a number of new units here, and I've just made several bulk purchases that should make the next couple of lists very interesting. As always, all prices are in US dollars. If you want off this list, just send me a quick email and I'll take you off right away.


CRT projectors

1- Sony 1041 video projector. This one just came in on trade. It's a video and S-video only projector with 700 lumens light output from 7" Sony tubes. The tubes are in good shape and will last about 6000 hours. THe case has some scratches on it, so the set is being sold a bit less than others. Analog convergence, a good reliable small and quiet unit. I'll list this one on eBay shortly.

$450.00


1- Sony 1031. This is a good condition 7" ES focus projector good as an entry level set that will accept a line doubler and HDTV. The tubes are in good shape, they put out 600 lumens, and will last about 7000 hours. 36 KHz scan rate max, analog convergence for an easy set up. Great to get into a home theater that will walk all over a digital projector at a fraction of the cost. There's lots of these out there still running strong. I'll be listing this one on eBay tomorrow.

$550.00

2- Zenith PRO 851. I've got two of these in stock again. Great convection cooled video only units. The most popular sports bar projector around. THe 7" tubes generally last 12,000 hours, and produce 650 lumens. Analog convergence, a great image out of these. If you have an application where you need a projector to work for a long period of time sucha s in a pub or bar, this is the best choice for you. C/W wireless remote control.,

$1500.00

3- AmPro 2000. All of these sets are very low hour projectors. One reads 8 hours, one reads 0 hours and one has 161 hours on it. Naturally these have zero tube wear on them, are razor sharp, and you can expect to get 10,000 hours out of the tubes. These aren't all of the 2000's that I have in stock, I've got another 7 or so that I have not looked at yet, but these are the cream of the crop so to speak. Video, S-video and RGB inputs, 80 Khz scan rate, HDTV ready. Two of these sets have the 750 lumen tubes in them, one has the 600 lumen tube in it. 100% modular for easy servicing down the road. I've installed a new memory backup battery as all of the ones in these sets were flat. Very simple digital convergence to set up, and superb fleshtones on these sets. For those of you looking for something like a Sony 12XX or Barco 800/801 series (that I'll have back in stock shortly), consider these units. All come with full manuals and wireless remote controls. A higher hour Ampro 2000 unit is on ebay here:

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...category=32862

750 lumen sets $850.00
600 lumen set $750.00


2- Runco DTV 852. Great compact projectors based on the Zenith PRO 900x with a Runco built in line doubler, these sets automatically take the video and S-video signals and convert them to 480p. A separate RGB input is also available for feeding HDTV directly to the CRT's. Very quiet operation, digital convergence, 800 lumens, on screen menus, etc. 50 Khz scan rate allow for up to 1024 X 768 resolution. Very sharp tubes using the latest in ES focusing technology. Long tube life out of these sets, and they are 100% modular. Late model units dating from 1996-1998, they retailed for over $12K USD when new from Runco. Great for an all-in one type HT without having to mess with external scalers or doublers and extra cables. I've got 3 more of these coming in shortly. I've replaced the G and B tubes with new ones (not rebuilt), the red is in mint shape. You'll get the full rated 10,000 hours out of these tubes. c/w wireless remote control and the manual

$2100.00 each


1- Electrohome ECP 4500. This is the latest version of the ECP series of popular Electrohome sets. 700 lumens from Sony 07MS tubes, the tubes are in good shape and will last over 7000 hours. Dual RGB inputs, along with video and S-video for a versatile set up. Digital convergence, on screen menus, easy to set up. 80 Khz scan rate for well over HDTV resolution. Very modular construction for ease of servicing. Optional ACON auto convergence cameras available, see the bottom of this list. c/w wireless remote and manual On eBay here:

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...tem=3074459017

$850.00

Note that I have one more 4500 and two 4100's still in stock waiting to be looked at.


1- GE 901/NEC 9 PG. This is a good condition 7" EM focus projector that has low chassis hours (about 1900). 92 Khz scan rate, RGB inputs allow for resolutions well past line quadrupling. 800 lumens from 7 1/2" NEC tubes. Digital convergence, on screen menus. Very natural fleshtones. case in good shape. Here's the tube condition: The R and B tubes are flawless, zero wear. The green tube that is currently installed also has zero wear, but has a flaw in the phosphor just off the center of the tube that causes a tiny pink dot, smaller than a missing pixel on a digital projector. I've tried picking the dot up with my camera, and it's just too small to detect with it. I also have in stock a green tube with low hours (about 2000) with very light and even wear over the phosphor area. Your choice, I'll sell this set with either tube installed

$1500.00
or
$2100.00 - VDC green tube installed


1- NEC 9 PG Xtra. This is the model up from the NEc 9 PG/GE 901 above. This set uses larger tubes than the regular PG series for 1000 lumens light output. Same specs otherwise as the NEC PG above. Video and S-video card is installed in this set, as is the 100 point convergence board. The case is in good shape, as are the tubes, that will last about 7500 hours. The picture and performance is almost as good as an NEC XG projector at a lower price. Note that I'm getting 8 more PG Xtras in very shortly. On eBay here:

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...tem=3075619348

$2200.00

1- AmPro 3600. One set left in god working shape, you'll get about 6000 hours out of the tubes. 1200 lumens from 8" EM focus tubes. 110 Khz scan rate. Digital convergence, on screen menus, lots of parameters to fully dial each tube to perfection. c/w wired remote control

$1600.00


1- BArco G 808s. This is a true 8" EM focus set that produces 1200 lumens. 110 Khz scan rate, digital convergence, video, S-video and RGB inputs. On screen menus, very easy to set up. This set uses the Sony tubes instead of the MEC tubes. The Sony tubes are a bit sharper, and this chassis has the IRIS auto convergence camera installed. The tubes are in good shape and will last another 7000 hours or so. Very light even shading on the green tube and a bit on the blue as well. Flawless operation of all aspects of the set. Digital convergence, on screen menus, 100% modular construction

$2300.00

NEC XG projectors. Once again I have several XG projectors in stock. As many of you know, the NEC XG is my personal favorite projector, and I once again have one proudly hanging on my ceiling..:-) All XG sets feature 1200 lumens from 8" EM focus tubes, have video, S-video and RGB inputs, onscreen menus, 100 point convergence adjustments per tube, electronic astig adjustments, 9 zones of focusing per tube allowing extreme accuracy in dialling in the image. I'll admit to watching the 1/2 time show today during Superbowl, and the image off the Canadian HDTV feed was amazing. All of these sets are in excellent shape. The conditions are as described below. I'm giving a retubed price as well as a lower price to reflect original tubes with very low wear as these are all low hour sets. All come with the manual and a full function wireless remote control.

2- XG 75. 75 Khz scan rate. Both sets have very light B and G wear, it's not necessary to retube these units, they can easily be used as is for well over 6000 hours. One is on ebay here: http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...category=32862

$2600.00 as is for each one, $3400.00 with rebuilt B and G tubes

1- NEC XG 110. 110 Khz scan rate. Currently in my own HT. A new NEC green tube and a VDC blue has been installed.

$3500.00

1- NEC XG 110LC. 110 Khz scan rate, liquid coupled. Set has a new NEC green tube installed, very, very light 4:3 wear on the blue, good for 800+ hours. on eBay here:

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...tem=3075624684

$3400.00 as is
$3900.00 with a VDC blue installed

1- XG 135LC. 135 Khz scan rate, liquid coupled, top of the line. A new NEC green tube is installed, very light wear on the blue.

$3600.00 as is
$4100.00 with a VDC blue tube installed.


1- Electrohome 9500LC. Actually this set is not here yet, it will be here in 2 weeks. This set has had all tubes replaced about 200 hours ago with VDC rebuilds, and the set is in excellent working condition. 1300 lumens from 9" LC tubes, 135 Khz scan rate, 150 Mhz video bandwidth, every possible option and feature is included in this set for control of the image. On screen menus, 100% modular construction, very easy to set up and dial in. 1 year warranty on the VDC tubes. Case in great shape.

$8000.00 USD.

UPCOMING SETS:


As usual, I've gone overboard and have purchased a slew of new sets. These include but are not limited to:

7- AmPro 2000
5 Barco G 800
1- Sony 1272
1- AmPro 4000
8- NEC PG Xtra
8- NEC PG and PG +
10- Marquee 8500
5- Marquee 8110
1- Marquee 8000
14- Sony 1041
1- Sony 1292
1- Marquee 9500LC
3- Barco 1101 (9")
3 Runco DTV 852
1 NEC 10 PG
4 BArco 1208
4 Barco G 808
1- Marquee 9000
2- Sony D 50
1 Sony G 70
2- Barco 1200
1- Barco 1209
2- ECP 4500
2- ECP 4100
As you can see, the madness continues..:-)

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Very nice. A good start half way to the finish line.
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The most recommended source (much less risky than eBay) is Curt Palme. E-mail him at curtpalme@shawbiz.ca and ask for his CRT FAQ and used PJ list. He's one of the most respected CRT forum members.

Here are my recommendations for CRTs and accessories to consider:

- GOOD: Electrohome ECP3000/3100/4000, Sony VPH-1031/1252/127x, Barco 800/801, Ampro ($500-$1500)
- BETTER: Electrohome Marquee 8000/8500, NEC PG or XG, Barco 808+, Sony 1292, Sony G70, Ampro 3600 ($1000-$5000)
- BEST: Sony G90, Marquee 9500LC ($5000-$15000+)

-Clarence

Okay...how is this so? A look at eBay had many CRT PJs at around the $1000 level. A Marquee 8500 MSRP of $23,000 going for $1000? Something seems totally skewed.
How is this so? Why, if they are the kings of FP, are these units going so cheap? How can anything devalue that much in that short of time? Help!
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I'm trying to reference this image for comparison. Does anyone here recognize this lady and what source it originated from? A DVD perhaps? It's so good it's worth downloading to see how good a screen shot can be.
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This is Kate Hudson, Goldie Hawn's daughter. The shot may be from 'Almost Famous', or perhaps 'How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days'.

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Okay...how is this so? A look at eBay had many CRT PJs at around the $1000 level. A Marquee 8500 MSRP of $23,000 going for $1000? Something seems totally skewed.
How is this so? Why, if they are the kings of FP, are these units going so cheap? How can anything devalue that much in that short of time? Help!

Those are list prices from 5-10 years ago. Look at the list price of even 640x480 or 800x600 LCDs from 5-10 years ago. Now imagine a machine that could handle 1600x1200 or 2500x2000 back then!

CRTs are the only beasts that could do it. And they are beasts! They're heavy and huge. Built like tanks. They required setup and tweaking. Not plug and play.

Great for flight simulators and CAD drawings. 640 pixels just wasn't enough. So $17K-$30K was nothing for large engineering firms, government/military modelling and simulation, corporate conference rooms etc.

These were not built for home theaters. What kind of fool would ever want a 6'-12+' 1920x1080 screen in their house?!

Ah, but fast forward 10 years to where conference rooms can now use a 3 pound projector that can fit in a briefcase. So easy to plug in and focus that even your boss can set it up

So the $17k-$30k CRTs were quickly replaced by $1k-$5k LCDs. So how much is a CRT worth that can be replaced by a $1500 LCD? Hence the current CRT bargains.

And as they're pulled out of conference rooms and training centers across the nation, they're put out on the curb, sold for surplus, or just given to a good home of smart AV geeks who know what these beauties can do when connected to a HTPC or HD source.

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And as they're pulled out of conference rooms and training centers across the nation, they're put out on the curb, sold for surplus, or just given to a good home of smart AV geeks who know what these beauties can do when connected to a HTPC or HD source.

-Clarence

May I volunteer a good home for one too? I've got an 8500 on my wish list now. 14 foot? Naw. But 8 to 10 feet, that's doable.
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Those are list prices from 5-10 years ago. Look at the list price of even 640x480 or 800x600 LCDs from 5-10 years ago. Now imagine a machine that could handle 1600x1200 or 2500x2000 back then!

CRTs are the only beasts that could do it. And they are beasts! They're heavy and huge. Built like tanks. They required setup and tweaking. Not plug and play.

Great for flight simulators and CAD drawings. 640 pixels just wasn't enough. So $17K-$30K was nothing for large engineering firms, government/military modelling and simulation, corporate conference rooms etc.

These were not built for home theaters. What kind of fool would ever want a 6'-12+' 1920x1080 screen in their house?!

Ah, but fast forward 10 years to where conference rooms can now use a 3 pound projector that can fit in a briefcase. So easy to plug in and focus that even your boss can set it up

So the $17k-$30k CRTs were quickly replaced by $1k-$5k LCDs. So how much is a CRT worth that can be replaced by a $1500 LCD? Hence the current CRT bargains.

And as they're pulled out of conference rooms and training centers across the nation, they're put out on the curb, sold for surplus, or just given to a good home of smart AV geeks who know what these beauties can do when connected to a HTPC or HD source.

-Clarence

Methinks the hunt is on. Tally Ho. Thanks for sharing your 'vision'.
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Lawd Ahlmitey!

How many different threads do you Guys have to clutter up with all this CRT maddness?

Cripes, give your hunt, and all this CRT worship it's own thread.

ON PJs "OVER or UNDER" $3500.00 where all the other CRT cretins dwell.

It's getting a little tiring visiting 4 different threads and seeing the same "off topic" pleas for bargin basement Marquees




...this means YOU CMRA

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Lord Almighty!

How many different threads do you Guys have to clutter up with all this CRT madness?

Gripes, give your hunt, and all this CRT worship it's own thread.

ON PJs "OVER or UNDER" $3500.00 where all the other CRT cretins dwell.

It's getting a little tiring visiting 4 different threads and seeing the same "off topic" pleas for bargain basement Marquees




...this means YOU CMRA

You're absolutely right!
Lets not go off topic
Whats the best formula for a 14'+ screen? EVIL GRIN
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Lets not go off topic
Whats the best formula for a 14'+ screen? EVIL GRIN

There in lies all the prior fanfare about CRTs. Clarence simply paints a big wall white and lets the PJ do the rest. Two butted, seamed, and painted sheets of drywall for about $7.00 each, a coat or two of primer, and a white pigmented paint. Voila, 8'x8' screen. Add one more panel, 8'x12' screen. You don't need a 'best' formula when you have a CRT like his.
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Voila, 8'x8' screen. Add one more panel, 8'x12' screen

Actually, I used only 2 long 4'x12' sheets of drywall, stacked (horizontal or landscape orientation) on top of each other to get 8'x12'.

But three 4'x8' sheets (vertical or portrait orientation) would've worked too. One more seam to finish, but easier to load on a truck and drag into the house.

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Actually, I used only 2 long 4'x12' sheets of drywall, stacked (horizontal or landscape orientation) on top of each other to get 8'x12'.


-Clarence

Closer all the time. Ideally, what is needed is a 5'x12' sheet for that perfect 2.35 to 1 screen. BTW, Clarence, where and how do you acquire 4x12 drywall sheets?
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Closer all the time. Ideally, what is needed is a 5'x12' sheet for that perfect 2.35 to 1 screen. BTW, Clarence, where and how do you acquire 4x12 drywall sheets?

Also, anybody know if drywall comes in custom sizes? Somrthing on the order of 5'x12'?
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BTW, Clarence, where and how do you acquire 4x12 drywall sheets?

Both Lowe's and HD stock 4x12 here.

I've never seen 5' wide sheets though.

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54" wide sheets are fairly common and go up to 14' easilly if you were trying to get a seamless piece but what would you be using the drywall for sheeting a wall or putting it in front of a drywalled wall ? if you were just ,going to make a screen mdf or melamine would be a better choice stronger, harder surface,smoother for kids, and comes in 5'widthes and 12' long and easier to move your screen if you move.
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54" wide sheets are fairly common and go up to 14' easilly if you were trying to get a seamless piece but what would you be using the drywall for sheeting a wall or putting it in front of a drywalled wall ? if you were just ,going to make a screen mdf or melamine would be a better choice stronger, harder surface,smoother for kids, and comes in 5'widthes and 12' long and easier to move your screen if you move.

5'x12' would be ideal for a near perfect 2.35 to 1 fit. Good to know seamless alternatives exist. It is also the largest size I could accommodate.Thanks, Bruce.
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"bruce can" just beat me too this;

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Also, anybody know if drywall comes in custom sizes? Something on the order of 5'x12'?



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54" wide sheets are fairly common and go up to 14' easily if you were trying to get a seamless piece but what would you be using the drywall for sheeting a wall or putting it in front of a drywalled wall ? if you were just ,going to make a screen mdf or melamine would be a better choice stronger, harder surface,smoother for kids, and comes in 5'widths and 12' long and easier to move your screen if you move.



54" "tall" drywall is as big as it comes. This to accommodate 9' walls so as to avoid the necessity of having an extra ripped joint.

MDF is unnaturally heavy at thickness of 3/4", and a piece 5' x 12' long would weigh in a over 2 times that of 1/2" drywall. But 3/4" " MDF -"IS"- the material of choice should you need to seam together two pieces to achieve the flat backing your "Dream-Sized" Light Fusion Screen requires. Using two factory edges, and backing the rear of the seam with an 6-1/2"overlap of 1/2" MDF will assure a joint that can be sealed, level, and resist swelling or shrinkage. A good finish for the minute crack is simple wood filler, sanded down to smooth. Your ready to paint. Or mount a Mirror. Effecting a moderately precise hole in the wall for the assembly to set back into, flush to the studs, will leave you with 1/4" of material protruding past the drywall surface. Or 3/8" if you have a mirror on top. Either way, it becomes a lead pipe cinch to easily create a classy trim option. One and either "Butt" or "Miter" corners up against the MDF / Mirror edge, or "ledge wrap" into the screen surface (yuck).

Plexi mirrors, backed by flat material, offer such an advantage that IMO, discussions about painting on any other surface seems terribly misdirected. Poop, if all you did was to use clear plexi sheets, the ultra smooth surface, the resulting finish, and the advantages inherent in paint-application options just plain make mockery of other materials.

Nothing beats "book" learning like experience on the job. After having painted a total of 6 LFS Mirror Screens, and having toyed around with getting the flow characteristics right for spraying, I've come to these conclusions.

32 Oz of Latex Flotrol per Gallon of MMix with solve any and all problems previously lamented on many threads.

6 Oz of Latex Flotrol tames the savage Slug that lies within 1 Qt of Silver Metallic, but does result in a slight dispersement of the metal flake


Guys, with the above mix, and a 2.2 mm nozzel (Central Pneumatic Gun) set to 25 lbs @ the Gun, 60 lbs at the Tank, and the fluid valve set to 3/4 open, I was cutting a clean, relatively splatter free 6" swath across the mirrored Surface. First coat was almost even enough to lead me to believe I would only need a second coat. That really scared me. so I cut back fluid and swath size 25% and gave the screen a second vertical coat, and follow up with a third horizontal coat. With my heater, the entire process took less than 4 hours. X 4 screens. A lot of spraying. I now have Carpel Tunnel Syndrome up to my shoulder!

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hello missippiman
i was just responding to the drywall size question, and in my opinion using a piece of mdf or a melamine sheet is a better surface to paint than a lot of other materials parkland being one one of them. i am just starting to experiment with this light fusion method as well so i can't comment but if you were going to use mdf as a substrate why not use 1/2"mdf it would be flush with existing drywall, cheaper than 3/4 lighter just as flat and just as smooth very close in weight to comparable 1/2 drywall, I agree hands on is the best way to learn ,i am new to this home theater and screen building process but have a lot of years as a contractor building and painting and i am having fun learning this, heck i painted a couple of screens five times this week just experimenting Now i think i am going to follow your light fusion experiments. I am nearing my room build i am curious about your sound designs i will email you today if you have time for some questions
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i was just responding to the drywall size question, and in my opinion using a piece of mdf or a melamine sheet is a better surface to paint than a lot of other materials parkland being one one of them. i am just starting to experiment with this light fusion method as well so i can't comment but if you were going to use mdf as a substrate why not use 1/2"mdf it would be flush with existing drywall, cheaper than 3/4 lighter just as flat and just as smooth very close in weight to comparable 1/2 drywall, I agree hands on is the best way to learn ,i am new to this home theater and screen building process but have a lot of years as a contractor building and painting and i am having fun learning this, heck i painted a couple of screens five times this week just experimenting Now i think i am going to follow your light fusion experiments. I am nearing my room build i am curious about your sound designs i will email you today if you have time for some questions

Actually, 1/2' is best, and my use of choice.

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Guys, with the above mix, and a 2.2 mm nozzel (Central Pneumatic Gun) set to 25 lbs @ the Gun, 60 lbs at the Tank, and the fluid valve set to 3/4 open, I was cutting a clean, relatively splatter free 6" swath across the mirrored Surface. Wait until you see the pics! Coming very soon.

MM, is this a typo? 25 lbs? That 'floetrol' must be mighty good stuff. Are we talking MM or SM here?
Yes, where are those new pics?
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MM, is this a typo? 25 lbs? That 'floetrol' must be mighty good stuff. Are we talking MM or SM here?
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25 Lbs...30 at most. Plenty of pressure behind the gun's regulator helps keep the pressure at the nozzle constant and even.

Yes, at this point, as far as spraying goes, Flotrol solves every "Applying" issue that haunted us all before. The results are a nice even 4- 5" swath of paint that goes on very even.

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Not sure why you want this with all the new discoveries. Superb results can be achieved with a low nap roller but I'd love to hear how spraying works out for you. Who knows, your pearl-essence may just revive good 'ol ME.
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Holy Crap ! 29 pages !!!

I saw the thread at the top of the Screens forum said Hrm thats interesting (since i'm looking for a gray screen to complemente an HS20) read every single post up to page 14 when i finnaly saw the (29) at the bottom. My eyes already bleeding with strain I nearly broke into tears at the thought of another 15 pages of he said she said ! =)

So I just skipped to page 25 to catch up with the more recent stuff I'm sure I missed some good info in those 10 pages but I just can't read anymore on this topic and still remember any of it !

Sounds like for my situation ME is still my best (simiplest) bet. My question to all of you is this .. what is the EASIEST screen to make ? (Well besides just painting the wall itself which i may just do since i am no handyman !) I'm looking to make a 2.35:1 screen paint it with ME and hang it as easily as possible, using as few tools as possible, and leaving as few/smallest holes as possible in the wall behind (WAF !!!)

Suggestions ?

P.s. Thank you all so much for your dedication and hardwork you likely just saved me about $1000 on a HCCV screen/frame.

Oh ! Followup question .. how do you "frame" it ? just pain the border flat black ?
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My screen has a border (trim) that was originally painted flat black--which I didn't like that much, since light still reflected from it. I covered the border with black velvet, and couldn't be happier. It sucks up any stray light.

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I went down this road of screen making, screen color etc etc. Here's what I did. I am using a Z1 projecting on a smallish size screen (78 inches wide) because of my small room. First thing I did was to project the image on the wall and take my measurements off of it. I went down to Home Depot and found a 4 x 8 sheet of Melamine. Had it cut to my dimensions (they give you two free cuts) also picked up two strips of 1 x 2's to be used as the frame. I then located the studs in the wall and marked off where my screen would be in relation to the wall. I nailed one of the strips across the top and one across the bottom, then mounted the melamine with a screw at each corner. For the borders, I again went to Home Depot and found some precut MDF strips, 3 inches wide by 6 ft in length. I cut these to the proper length and wrapped and stapled them with black felt I bought from JoAnns. These borders are attached to the screen by Velcro.
After a few days of viewing on the bare Melamine, I decided to paint with Misty Evening. I used a very fine nap roller and without removing the screen, rolled the paint on lightly and smoothly. It went on to the Melamine very smoothly and there were no streaks or buildup of any kind. Looks great! I tweaked some of the user accessible
parameters such as the colors and gamma (thanks to CMRA) and I have no need to go any farther with the factory settings as I am very pleased with the results. I think the total cost of the every thing except the ME paint was around $30.
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I hope this helps you. Best wishes whichever direction you take.
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I recently got an eMail stating a "big" improvement mixing 'pearl-essence' with ME. Just out of curiosity, has anyone else attempted this formulation? If so, care to post your results?
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