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Members following my earlier thread on Misty Evening grey paint may recall I mentioned it seemed to have a certain '3D like' quality especially when claymation is the subject matter. See if you agree.

****ATTENTION**** For comparison I have posted these same screen shots from my "silver" screen. Though the jury is still out, curious members may want to compare the two. Goto page 10, starting with post #184.
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Study this image. Do the hands (wings in this case) seem to jet out a bit to you also?
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All this has made me curious about a colour I have from Sherwin Williams. It's called Rhinestone. Very similar to the Misty Grey from the descriptions. The ever so slight blue on light grey. I am still using an old Sony 400q so I am a bit fearful the colour would not work so well with that projector. So far I have not bee brave enough to get either the Panasonic AE300 or the Infocus X1 to replace it. The wife may not fully appreciate the need for replacement.:p

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I like to think this image also displays that '3D' like quality the way Rocky's foot projects forward the way it does.
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CMRA - been following you on this one, getting my x1 in a couple of days assuming Dell stops jerking me around.

I have the Glidden color strips here, I'm wondering why you didn't go with the "universal grey", two leaves over, which is a "perfect" grey, no colors, the only tint is lamp black.
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CMRA - been following you on this one, getting my x1 in a couple of days assuming Dell stops jerking me around.

I'm getting the same treatment from dell. Hell, they didn't even buy me dinner before they started to abuse me in ways I don't want to even mention :mad:
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CMRA - been following you on this one
I have the Glidden color strips here, I'm wondering why you didn't go with the "universal grey", two leaves over, which is a "perfect" grey, no colors, the only tint is lamp black.
What makes you think I didn't? Before my ME discovery I tested 'plank', 'chromium' and another that looked spot on to the Greyhawk. All the greys produced better blacks but not without crushing the whites. The darker the grey, the deeper the blacks and the duller the whites. ME was the oddball. It enhanced the blacks without fogging the whites. The faint blue tint is a non factor when viewing. You won't notce it and if you have seen my screen shots you'll see it has no effect on skin tones. Here is a sample:
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CM - didn't mean to imply that you haven't, though I see you don't mention universal in your response.

You mention different shades - I can see your point as to how they would crush whites etc, and I appreciate your work bringing out a new angle on the grey question.

But

My question was specifically about Glidden "universal grey". It is not lighter or darker then ME, in fact it is the EXACT SAME SHADE, just without the blue and green added (when you look at the factory ME recipie.) Now, the BG may be what makes ME a hit, but I was curious as to what a completely neutral grey of exactly same shade from the same manufacturer would do.

I will test this myself if Dell ever deigns to send me my X1. I used a perfectly legit coupon (one they sent me) to get it for $899 and they telling me it could be three weeks. (of course if you're willing to pay full price they'll ship it tomorrow.) I have bought hundreds of thousands worth of systems from Dell over the years for various campaigns and organizations, because in this land of the blind I am the one eyed man when it comes to computers. Because Dell thought it was worthwhile to screw me on this one purchase I will NEVER buy from these slick SOBs again. Ramming a hot poker through Michael Dell's eye seems unlikely to happen, but one can dream.
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My question was specifically about Glidden "universal grey". It is not lighter or darker then ME, in fact it is the EXACT SAME SHADE, just without the blue and green added (when you look at the factory ME recipie.) Now, the BG may be what makes ME a hit, but I was curious as to what a completely neutral grey of exactly same shade from the same manufacturer would do.

Why not try a quart of both and determine which best suits you? The paint is relatively cheap and can always be used elsewhere. I painted my utility room with my discards.
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I plan on it if I ever get the projector. I am trying to come up with an effective grid pattern I can use to paint 4 or 5 colors and get good variety across the image. Will try white, ME, AG, and a couple of the dyi mixes mentioned here.
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Will try white, ME, AG, and a couple of the dyi mixes mentioned here.
Now that sounds excellent! Two thoughts to share. One, please don't make your samples small. I recommend no smaller than 1/4 of your screen size. Two: Don't discard your samples. They may become invaluable when you change/upgrade to another projector. Best wishes.
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what were you planning on painting this onto? I was thinkin of grabbing a piece of particle board and painting it with a few colors to see which I liked best, then paint the whole thing that color. Think that would work? Is particle board to "absorbing" to paint effectively? Any suggestions?
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I plan on using a 4X4 sheet of drywall I have lying around as the test sheet - smooth and easy to paint. Will set it up in a pattern that allows a comparison across the image. Too many examples have the different paints lined up so that one part of the image (a face) is all on one type of surface while the rest (hair and background) are on the other. It's really impossible to compare two different surfaces that way.

Still no sign of my x1, so don't wait up, but I will do it as soon as I can.
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a piece of drywall wouldn't be too "smooth"? I know once they throw that texture crap on there when the drywallers paint over it, it gets a texture then, but I figured regular sheet of drywall would be too smooth. has anyone else tried this? I think a friend has a few extra sheets of it layin in his basement. that would be a great cost-saving DIY screen if the results would be nice. right now i'm projecting onto a dirty off-white wall with holes in it from pictures that once hung there :)
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I'm under the impression that smooth isn't bad, someone let me know if I'm wrong about this. I know that the most used side of the parkland is smooth.
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i was under the impression that you used the textured side of the parkland and the smooth side for the glue (as intended in a regular use of it).
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another question regarding using painted drywall. do i need to do anything to the drywall first or is it just ready to apply paint to?
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another question regarding using painted drywall. do i need to do anything to the drywall first or is it just ready to apply paint to?
Absolutely PRIME it. 2 coats! If painting with latex, I promote Kilz 2.
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heck, I don't know, I just want to test the paint. I'll post again before I start for more advice after I get the pj, dell now tells me they won't ship until the 17th, so i may never see the thing - I refuse to give them the satisfaction of canceling my order (as they're losing money on the price they offered)
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Just got a couple sheets of 3/8" 4x8 drywall. Primed it once. Now waiting for it to dry to prime it again before i call it a night. Now to figure out what color to choose. Seems there's so many ideas and good colors. We have some MAB Rich Lux Wal-Shield Acrylic Latex Flat paint from painting our walls recently. It's a white with a drop of blue....barely noticable. I was thinking about testing that since it's free to me. It's called "marble cream" (color 5903).

My step-dad also suggested getting the brightest flat white from MAB and having them mix in this sand-type mixture they have. Do you think this would allow me to have a bright white while avoiding hotspots via the flat white and the texture from the sand?

Finally, any suggestions on mounting this 3/8" drywall? Should I attach directly to the wall or create a small frame for it first or what?

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Seems like this thread somehow went off course. The whole idea is to determine if Misty Evening does indeed promote a more 3D like image especially when projecting animation. And, if so, what other formulations do the likewise or better?
After studying the screenshots do you feel there is a real or perceived enhancement?
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Just to get back to normal here is another screenshot to test the waters with. I would have no objections to seeing this same screenshot on a 'silverstar' or DIY clone. The real question is: Does Misty Evening help produce a more '3D like' image? If so, what else does? Is there even better? ( I'm hoping so)
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WOW!

That's all I can say!

I am running an Infocus X1 DLP PJ using the Glidden Misty Evening 30GB 64/036 (direct from Glidden here in Ontario) paint on my screen/wall (80") and what a difference 24 hours, sanding, priming, painting makes on a picture!!

Blacks are MUCH better, screendoor is NIL, colors are much more vibrant and realistic. Flesh tones especially look very nice.

I did have to bump up my contrast and brightness slightly as per the THX OptiMizer disk. I haven't tried AVIA or DVE yet. I don't think I'll need to really.

Thanks for the awesome discovery CMRA. All in all it cost me $30.00 for primer and paint. Beats $1000.00 for a commercial screen :D

If anyone has any questions PM me. I will be watching Sleepy Hollow and Monsters Inc. tonight and will post the results tomorrow.

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OK,

I had a friend over last night and we were able to sit down and watch 2 movies - Monsters Inc. and Ghost Ship.

My Setup...Infocus X1 DLP PJ, Toshiba SD1800 DVD Player. Running component cables with Faroudja DCDi on in 16:9 aspect ratio.

Monsters Inc:

What can I say - the transfer on this movie is amazing!! I noticed major differences in color saturation going from a butter beige wall to the Misty Evening Grey. Blacks are blacker and there is less mosquito noise in darker scenes. My friend commented that the picture was stunning - better than RPTV and comparable to plasma in some scenes. SCREEN DOOR gone!

Ghost Ship:

A dark movie to begin with...most of the movie takes place within a rusted ship. The images were excellent, some minor rain-bowing (5 scenes tops) but the rest were excellent in detail and color saturation. Black levels and shadow detail were about as good as it gets.

I had to run the THX Optimizer disc and bumped up my brightness to 56 and contrast to 52. All other settings remained the same. I would highly recommend IMHO the Misty Evening from Glidden paints a s a alternative screen method opposed to forking out $$$ for a commercial screen.

HERE ARE THE CANADIAN GLIDDEN COLOR CODES:

Base coat/primer (from label):
Glidden Ultra Hide Aquacrylic Gripper White.

Top coat (from label):
Misty Evening 30BG 64/036.
BLK 0P9, GRN 0P2.
CP III-Glidden Paints-561 S.
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Banky, what is your screen surface? Wall (drywall, plaster?), cloth? How did you apply the paint?
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"Flesh tones especially look very nice."

That seems a little strange to me, since many people have commented that while gray screens improve blacks, they decrease color and fleshtone quality...Care to post any screenshots?

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CMRA here. Surely you have seen some of my Moulin Rouge screen shots on my other thread ("CMRA posts misty grey screenshot"). Do you sense a lack of color or inferior fleshtone quality on these shots?
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Here's a screenshot I already posted. DO the colors look decreased? Are the flesh tones wrong? I believe somewhere along the line you got some bad infomation. BTW, why is it the three of the most popular commercial screens discussed on this forum ( Grayhawk, Firehawk, and HCCV ) are ALL gray? See for yourself.
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WOW!

That's all I can say!

I am running an Infocus X1 DLP PJ using the Glidden Misty Evening 30GB 64/036 (direct from Glidden here in Ontario) paint on my screen/wall (80") and what a difference 24 hours, sanding, priming, painting makes on a picture!!

Blacks are MUCH better, screendoor is NIL, colors are much more vibrant and realistic. Flesh tones especially look very nice.

I did have to bump up my contrast and brightness slightly as per the THX OptiMizer disk. I haven't tried AVIA or DVE yet. I don't think I'll need to really.

Thanks for the awesome discovery CMRA. All in all it cost me $30.00 for primer and paint. Beats $1000.00 for a commercial screen :D

If anyone has any questions PM me. I will be watching Sleepy Hollow and Monsters Inc. tonight and will post the results tomorrow.

Happy Thanksgiving All!
Thanks for sharing your ME/X1 experience. I was always curious how DLP would project on ME. Sleepy Hollow to my regret proved a tough customer for my Z1. Even when I switched back to white matte in efforts to correct it, the image was never satisfactory.
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