Thanks johnstof !!!
That's so bizarre.
The formula I've been using lately is a Pure Silver Metallic undercoat, and 1 quart Pearlescence mixed with 1 quart 1300 Flat Deep Base, and 1 quart Flat White mixed with 1 "1/96 oz." particle droplet of Red. All Beir paints.
(the above "Particle' figure was changed on 03/13/04)
Pretty gol' dang close, 'ceptin I use Pure SM and a translucent overcoat, not a mix of all of the above. I can see how it would be better that a "flat paint" but some aspects are self defeating. Cutting the SM so much only detracts from the reflectivity aspects you spend money on to acquire.
My biggest advantage seems to be in prepping the wall surface correctly and wet sanding all rolled finishes excepting the final one to achieve a perfectly smooth texture. Smooth means light penetrates evenly, reacts to the undercoat, and can the reflect back evenly into the room.
I guess the basics cannot change all that much, and if all that has kept people from doing DDogg or Pure Silver Metallic w/overcoats is plain laziness or a lack of rising to the challenge, I can certainly see why CMRA's Misty Evening is so popular. Yet CMRA hasn't rested on his laurels, now has he? And scoob5555 has worked to improve ME with his own mix, ME+ Yes..., they both know that there has to be better and finer applications because if ME can be so good in it's simplest form, surely there must be something still missing. And there is. Looks like DDogg felt the same way as well. I only wish I could have swapped posts with him.
But I SWEAR I never got the Silver metallic idea from DDogg. Tryg is the blame for that. His review posts about Silverstar and other silver/aluminum screens was all it took to get be away from using a standard HC Grey paint. Well that, and the addition of more affordable PJs that didn't have the luxury of having 2200 lumens.
Bless him. Tryg's the Patron Saint of Unselfish Effort, and a big part of my inspiration. So is/was KBK, despite my recent lambasting, deserved or not. The principles behind Goo and it's base coat / top coat application made sense to me from the start, and in it lies the creation, or duplication if you will, of my efforts to achieve comparable or better results. But for less money.
But gosh almighty. Hard to roll? What kind of lame excuse is that? Only if you can't learn by doing would that be the case. I'm no painter by any means, but all it takes is to observe whats happening before your eyes to allow one to make the appropriate adjustments. I learned quickly enough to risk throwing up (...good term...) that gooey paint on a Clients wall and having the nerve to charge them $600.00 to $800.00 a screen. I must have licked the "Hard to Roll" problem because I've yet to have a failure, even when trying something entirely new. Now, I have been taken to task by a few Posters for 'experimenting' while getting paid for it, but hey, so I I'm lucky. I guess some have that ability, and some must shy away from anything that is more difficult than blowing their noses; .......yeah, I know that's cruel, but I've read so many whiny posts lately about how hard it is to do this, and how much this or that costs, and in the long and short of it all, none of it is all THAT much trouble and expense compared to buying an expensive screen only to discover it was all hype, or at the least, unsuitable on too many fronts to satisfy one's expectations. Now THATs hard!
(BTW johnstof, my railing about "hard to roll" is in no way directed towards you or your comment, you only provided the grist for the mill.)
My sincere belief is that no one coater solution is going to win out. There are too many variables involved with both reflecting light and keeping colors correct. That is why everytime the Screen Mfgs come up with the "Latest & Greatest", it becomes painfully obvious that to achieve outstanding results in on area, they sacrifice something somewhere else. This has been the case since the beginning. And the old adage, "What is old becomes new again," runs right along with PJ screens.
So on we go, the faithful and true, seeking the Grail known as the "Perfect DIY screen solution. Only trouble is, a lot of us have become spoiled rotten over the 'one coat solution' and hence have settled for less.
And now come a new batch of converts on the "Parkland Alternative" thread worrying themselves silly and holding off their projects about how to save $20-40.00 on the one easy solution that makes sense. Buck Up! You Guys are going about it all wrong! Accept the fact that your NOT going to get out of this with spending only $20.00, but rejoice that your not going to spend $600.00+, or even $150.00.
All this is is the result of so many having bought into the PJ genre so cheaply that they cannot justify spending almost anything else. Hard to roll? Then buy twice as much paint mix and you'll have enough to cover your initial mistakes. At worst case, you'll have Paint left over. What a shame!
Totally skill challenged? Then why bother at all? Buy a piece of Parkland or Blackout Cloth and get on with your life.
A LOT of time is wasted by new posters coming onto a thread and asking for people to repeat what has already been posted and reposted countless times. Heck, I had to think twice about asking for johnstof to post DDoggs formula! If laziness was a virtue, then the DIY threads in this "Screen" forum would be among the most virtuous place on the web.
But during these tirades of mine I always offer up something in defense of the other guy's point of view. Here it is. By all means, ask away, as I did. but after asking, Just Do It! (...sorry NIKE) If your going to spend even only $1000.00 on a X1, then take the initial advice you get on the forum and run with it. Want more? Then expect to make a little more effort and (gasp!) spend a little more money to achieve something closer to perfection.
Straight up, I feel my SM/Translucent Overcoat application is a very good one. Yet what CMRA is attempting with Plexi is exciting in it's possibilities. Too tough a nut to crack logistically or financially for some others?, Certainly! But then so is smoothing a walls surface if needed from the posts I've read. Ok let's use Parkland. But wait, can we paint that? Yes, but you have to use some care. Oh, forget that, too much trouble. What if I screw up? If your that nervous, get a piece of drywall and practice first. If you didn't really try to cheap out and you bought enough paint, you should be able to do that. But instead, I see posts where people complain that they have to pay $20.00 a quart for SM (I pay $16.95) Lawd Awmytee! Just how cheap do you have to try to make a 100" screen application be. You want cheap? Paint your wall white, or better still, with straight ME and go watch a movie.
It was suggested that a few Threads be started that offered detailed instructions on mixes and application procedures. I've tried to do that each time I've stared one. And it is a Good Idea. Only trouble is, if all a thread does is sit there and offer info, and nobody posts onto it, it gets pushed down the list into oblivion. That is the root cause why so much has to be repeated. I save every instruction PM I send to Forum members so I don't have to retype is countless times. Needless to say, my PM box is always at about 85% full due to my Outbox being crammed with replies I am loath to delete.
This post has been brought to you by one wired extremely high on decongestant medicine, so if take it for what it's worth, a sniffle and a cough at best.