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post #451 of 1439 Old 12-06-2004, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by 1Time

And then if that wasn't enough, what really set me back was panel 5, the ME with an eggshell finish (zero hot-spotting). It made panels 1 and 2 look dingy, like they had a gray film over them. Panel 5's whites were brighter and "right", and the same with the blues of the sky which looked real. Out of the 3 I continually found myself wanting to watch the ME panel...

This post brings up some basic questions, such as whether the ME panel looked "better" due to the eggshell finish or due to the color of ME compared to SS.

After spending a few hours (okay, days) reading posts, I haven't found any clear answers on the use of an eggshell finish. Semi-gloss is clearly too shinny, flat is clearly safe, but I see very little posted about eggshell and satin. This is a pretty basic variable, so someone must have tried it before all these exotic mixes were developed.

I think that I'll try Bombadil Gray w/ an eggshell finish. It will be a few weeks before I can let you know how it turns out.
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Originally posted by rickirick
This post brings up some basic questions, such as whether the ME panel looked "better" due to the eggshell finish or due to the color of ME compared to SS.

I've not compared ME eggshell and ME flat. I'm guessing many who say to only use ME flat have not tried ME eggshell. And I don't recall anyone posting about a problem they've had with ME eggshell. My guess is there's not much difference at all between them; I'm guessing easily less than 5%, if any visual difference at all. So I fairly confident the ME eggshell panel looked so much better than the others because it was ME and not because it had an eggshell finish.

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After spending a few hours (okay, days) reading posts, I haven't found any clear answers on the use of an eggshell finish. Semi-gloss is clearly too shinny, flat is clearly safe, but I see very little posted about eggshell and satin. This is a pretty basic variable, so someone must have tried it before all these exotic mixes were developed.



Although I found zero problems with using ME eggshell, the only other finish I'd feel safe trying would be flat.
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Has anyone tried, Goo CRT white on top of the Silver Metalic or Silver Screen?
I have a 120" space on the wall, that I would love to fill.
I also got a few quarts of CRT white, but I don't like the crt white alone (SONY HS20). The size of the image precludes me from using the Parkland solution. (Any suggestions on deliverd larger then 4x8 hard board etc.?).

The Silver Metalic (I actually have a ceiling in a dark room of the house painted with it!), is a bit too much. So I wonder. Silver Metalic Base, one silver screen and goo crt white on top?

Anyone.
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Better yet, has anyone tried a layer of "clearcoat" between the silver metalic and top coat, to achive the same "effect" as the parkland solution to those who want a bigger screen?
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I'd be more interested in trying the Goo with a base coat of Rustoleum 7715 (aluminum) than the SM. I'd put an oil based primer down first, the 7715, then the Goo. You might try a local lumber yard for sizes greater than 4'x8'.
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Originally posted by izsakmixer
Better yet, has anyone tried a layer of "clearcoat" between the silver metalic and top coat, to achive the same "effect" as the parkland solution to those who want a bigger screen?

Fatboy Roberts just finished one and techie is almost done his.

I was thinking 'Fatboy' would be an appropriate name for this SM/CM/MM version since its got to be the thickest paint the wall scheme to date.
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I like "The Fatboy Variation" or "The Fatboy."

I like ego-tripping off having a screen named after my attempt to fix my own screwup

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You deserve a trip of some sort after that thread you initiated to draw interest to the silver under clear direction. So what if you ended up somewhere else ( allot of real world discoveries have that in common ). Bottom line is you still were the first.

See, this silverscreen thread keeps rising to the top even if noone is talking about silverscreen. Stuff must have magical qualities.

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yeah, but Techie's didn't seem to go well. I'm gonna try and find that thread..
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Bcortez - What paint did you use for the SS mix, ie the base the color was mixed into? Was it flat, satin, matte, etc?

Thinking of doing the same and was planning to try Behr Ultra White Flat and rolling it on.
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schooner2000,

Since I keep getting asked the same question over and over, I've updated the first post with this info. Please go to the first post in this thread for your answer.

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Originally posted by ericdwong
Can't comment on the one coat nor the SS alone cause I never tried it.

The WOP was already on the shelf, it isnt a mix. Its also $18 a quart grrr.

As for the little bumps, depends on how little the bumps are. Mine were pretty small, and from 13 feet back you cant see them at all.

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Has anyone measured the gain using SS paint? I read above the assumed gain is not less than 1.0. Do you happen to know the gain of standard BO cloth?

Thanks,
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Originally posted by 1Time
I'd be more interested in trying the Goo with a base coat of Rustoleum 7715 (aluminum) than the SM. I'd put an oil based primer down first, the 7715, then the Goo. You might try a local lumber yard for sizes greater than 4'x8'.

Hi 1Time,

I've tried the Rustoleum aluminum paint. It's definitely a high gain screen but the view is very narrow. If you are directly in the middle of the screen, it gives you a major reflectivity boost/gain. However, once you're off axis, the image will look flat and washed out. I have some screenshots of the aluminum painted screen that I will try to post up later.

I find that most silver screens are too bright in a room with total light control. The colours tend to get shifted/tinted compared to a good bright white screen such as the Behr Ultra Pure White and Carada Brilliant White. The lower gain white screens are easier on the eyes unless you plan to watch the projected image in a well-lit room or if ambient lighting is unavoidable.
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Has anyone measured the gain using SS paint? I read above the assumed gain is not less than 1.0.

Where did you read that? Its light gray paint so its less than 1.0
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If my Parkland is a 1.0 gain, then from the comparisons I've done I'd guess SS is around a 0.8 gain.
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Has anyone measured the gain using SS paint? I read above the assumed gain is not less than 1.0.

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Where did you read that? Its light gray paint so its less than 1.0

Like I said, a few posts above.

Again, has anyone measured the gain? Does grey automatically imply a gain of <1.0?

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Like I said, a few posts above.

Again, has anyone measured the gain? Does grey automatically imply a gain of <1.0?

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I've not measured gain. Gray does not automatically imply a gain of < 1.0.
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But gray paint does and you don't necessariyly need to have it measured to know that gray paint reflects less light than magnesium dioxide white paint - especially if there are no particular reflective enhancements in the paint as is the case with SS with just pigments and base. See this projector central discussion

I believe RGB just made a bad assumption about no less than 1.0 gain for SS
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Completed a Silver Screen (Behr 770E-2) this morning.
Almost stopped after a first coat of Kilz, good thing I didn't.
Great blues, blacker blacks, and impressive overall color I hadn't seen before.
Had been projecting on an orange peeled drywall with white paint.
Sanded down the orange peel, only a little because it was like iron.
Smoothed the surface with 90 minute drywall mix, 6 times over two days.
One coat of Kilz and a coat of Silver screen. Awesome difference.
Have suffered with ambient light issues with the white wall. Now I've even cracked open the shades a bit.
Thanks everyone for posting their experiences.
All on the cheap, I'm happy!
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I just did the same thing in my living room. Sanded it a bit smoother, still not glass like but no one seems to notice. I watched a few things on just the Kilz primer and then put on the SSWOP like I did in my bedroom. The colors do come out way better. This time as a second coat I added some of the Kilz with the SSWOP to lighten it up and I like it. A bit brighter and still good colors. I'll stick with this awhile.

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what paintor type of board should i use for a sanyo z3. was planning on using the hardboard from home depot with the kilz primer and the behr silverscreen
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Just finished my 119" SS over three coates of Kilz and WOW! I never thought I could have such a quality picture in my own home. Thanks to everyone for all the valueable advice. This is my first HT project and so far I couldn't be happier. I am still working on the ceiling and walls so can't really enjoy it completely yet but getting there.

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Has anyone tried painting one of these DIY screens on ebay from a seller named "moakes" ?

I just got my first projector, an Optoma EzPro 745. Right now I'm using it with a plain white wall. I've shopped around for Gatorboard and the like, and haven't found ANYTHING locally, so I figured I'd give this DIY kit off ebay a try.

I have some Silverscreen leftover from a project last summer...would it be worth it to paint this type of screen? Can this type of screen even be painted well? I only have access to rollers right now, so I won't be spraying anything.
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I picked up some paint chips from HD the other day, SS (and couldn't find ME) but grabbed some other glidden chips. I found a glidden color called silvery moonlight. I compared these chips to a sample of Da-Lite HCCV material (as a reference).

I noticed that the chips have different "tint bias", i.e. the SS had a pinkish hue to it vs the HCCV or the Silvery Moonlight (which was lighter, but seemed tint neutral).

My question is (for a Panny AE700) is there a tint bias that is beneficial for a given projector?

I don't have the PJ yet, so I don't know if the native colors are +/- pinkish/greenish/blueish and if a small tint in the screen color would help to offset or enhance the image (kinda like a filter on the lens) .

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Personally, my opinion is the slight red-shift is a plus for the Panny L500U I have ceiling mounted, since projecting upon the pure white had a bit of a colder blue-shift. I find the warmer shift toward the red not only balances that out, but gives me the warm facial tones I like.

It may not have the "color neutral" aspect of a flat grey, but then, who has a flat grey complexion (other than those little guys that keep barging into my room late at night to take me for a ride).

Remember, this is my opinion, from my experience, in my theater. And since the SuperBowl looked GREAT on my SS screen....and everyone LOVED it and had a grand time, why should I complain about a 92" screen!!

As always, YMMV..... Good luck.

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"Remember, this is my opinion, from my experience, in my theater. And since the SuperBowl looked GREAT on my SS screen....and everyone LOVED it and had a grand time, why should I complain about a 92" screen!!"


...why indeed.

Pass this tip on.

2 parts SS - 1 part WOP - 2 Oz. Behr Silver Metallic
16 Oz. distilled water


It's High Gain - no Pain, baby!

Yeah, I know it just upped the ante to $50.00,
.but SS would never punch out an image coming from a 800 lumen PJ like this formula would.

Me? I use 1:1:1 MMud with 2 Oz SM and can now watch the PJ with the Cn lights turn all the way up.

That's what I said.

Light off? It's the Gol Dundest Brightest screen I even seen that came from paint. Of course this was from a thin application of my MMud -SE- Mix upon a Mirror, but if one has a Board or wall, and applies 3 very smooth even coats, it only stands to reason that anyone with a stock SS screen and some paint left over can easily upgrade to the SS-WOP-SM application.

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[2 parts SS - 1 part WOP - 2 Oz. Behr Silver Metallic
16 Oz. distilled water]

What does a "Part" equal? Is it a cup? is WOP White Opal Pearlecent?

Oh, if only I had more money I could buy....
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A "Part" is a unit of specific measure that is duplicated within a Mix.
Once that unit of measure is ascertained, it can then be used as a Fraction or Multiplier

To wit; A 3 quart MMud mixture contains.......,

1 part (1 quart) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 quart) Deep Base
1 part (1 quart) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

You could call the use of the term "Part" a colloquialism that allows for the amount of the "Part" to be whatever the Author intends. some one mixing up a Big Batch of MMud would then use the term "Part" to illustrate the following;

1 part (1 Gallon) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 Gallon) Deep Base
1 part (1 Gallon) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

or a smaller version....,

1 part (1 pint) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 pint) Deep Base
1 part (1 pint) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

.or a combination...,

1 part (1 pint) UPW-Flat
1 part (1 pint) Deep Base
2 parts (2 pints) WOP (White Opal Pearlescence)

Get the picture?

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Hi Miss,

BTW - Thanks for all of your posts, I've learned alot from your past posts...

...anyways, the part this is confusing about your post:

[2 parts SS - 1 part WOP - 2 Oz. Behr Silver Metallic
16 Oz. distilled water]

You are mixing "parts" and ounces. This might be my stupidity, but doesn't the "parts need to be defined in the above equation? For example, if a part is a gallon, it will dilute the BSM and water compared to if a part was a pint, etc.

Also, what is WOP?

This might be explained, sorry if i don't get it....

Also, I have a Infocus 4805 that came with the "default" 76" warehouse screen.

Would going with your solution above be an improvement over that matte screen? Also, could you please offer some insight as to what kind of material I should paint it on? I want to use a 4 x 8 board/panel, etc to get a 90" screen (I'll cut it), so if i should use something, what? And, should I prime with Kilz first, then use this above formula? How many coats, how to apply, the more info the better!

I know things like goo may give the best PQ, but I want something that doesn't cost alot but gives me excellent quality for good value.
Thanks to you and to all who have posted informative posts!

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