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RodK's Avatar RodK 08:54 PM 02-06-2007
In your pics, the ice looks whiter on the platinum than it does on your FG. Is that what it looks like in person?

prof55's Avatar prof55 11:56 AM 02-07-2007
Sorry, I'm behind - has anyone done a full PS-90 screen?

Garry
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 12:03 PM 02-07-2007
I will in about 1 week. I ordered a 4x8 sheet 2 weeks ago.
kazinvan's Avatar kazinvan 04:51 PM 02-07-2007
mech, I have the same concern about the FG that RobK mentioned. The FG screen you have looks good but there is little for reference in your other shots. I watch a lot of hockey, and the ice looks white on the small sample and the rest of the screen looks a bit dimmer. Hard to really say what it looks like in person. Do you have any comparison shots of ice hockey with FG and DW? Hockey is really one of the main reasons I want to get a PJ so I want the best experience possible.

Edit: I just looked up your post here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9397131
It shows some hockey on the FG screen and it looks good (ice is white). Though again, it's hard to say for sure without a reference screen.

Thanks,
Mike
pjohnston007's Avatar pjohnston007 11:11 AM 02-08-2007
I am alive! However, neck-deep in graduate studies...

I am surprised at the revival of this thread. NeatO!

mech, PMd ya. In short, our IN72 is shelf-mounted on top of our old entertainment stand. Maybe that's why I believe PS90 has such promise!


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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

I will in about 1 week. I ordered a 4x8 sheet 2 weeks ago.


rfisher, do I understand you correctly? You ordered a full sheet of PS90? If so, ROCK! I'm excited to see your screen in-action.

I have six DaLite samples and intend a PS90 shoot out against those samples. If I ever get any time, you will be first to see it.

-p
pjohnston007's Avatar pjohnston007 11:12 AM 02-08-2007
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Hockey - it's not brighter it's hotspotting



mech

Damn, look at that boosted contrast!!!
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 12:15 PM 02-08-2007
Yes, I got the PS-90 4'x8' sheet coming and I hope it looks good. Will post pictures when I get it.

I also got a full sheet of PS-7, but compared to my painted DW laminate its not as good. My painted DW laminate has a gain of 3.0 and has good whites and deep blacks. Its a RGB/metallic/Poly mixture that I sprayed on about 3-4 months ago.
Ericglo's Avatar Ericglo 01:07 PM 02-08-2007
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

Yes, I got the PS-90 4'x8' sheet coming and I hope it looks good. Will post pictures when I get it.

I also got a full sheet of PS-7, but compared to my painted DW laminate its not as good. My painted DW laminate has a gain of 3.0 and has good whites and deep blacks. Its a RGB/metallic/Poly mixture that I sprayed on about 3-4 months ago.


With a 3 gain it should have great whites, but the blacks won't be as good as the DW.
pjohnston007's Avatar pjohnston007 01:22 PM 02-08-2007
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With all due respect, with my ceiling mounted pj it looked awful sitting back ~14 feet. Sparkly hotspot city! The camera made it look as good as it did. It'd be interesting to see it retro reflective wise. Maybe I'll find an hour or so next week....

mech

Anyone know the gain of PS90?

And...as I understand it, the higher the gain, the higher perceived contrast. Shouldn't a higher gain produce both deeper blacks and brighter whites?

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If I can sneak one by the wife (sounds much worse than it is ) I will snap some pictures this week.

mech, you mounted your samples almost exactly like I plan to mount mine.

Oh--something else, my shelf-mounted IN72 is about 5' from the floor. Not sure if this is far enough "off the ceiling" to be considered a retro-reflective setup...

-p
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 01:32 PM 02-08-2007
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With a 3 gain it should have great whites, but the blacks won't be as good as the DW.

I turned a white screen into a grey screen with a gain of 3.0. To let you know how dark the screen is, when I compare the color of PS-7 to my painted screen, my screen is a much darker shade of grey.

Also I'm talking about deeper blacks with tons of ambient light.
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 02:53 PM 02-08-2007
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Because you haven't replied to my response earlier, are you planning on topcoating this (PS-90) as well? Or are you going to use it with a table mounted pj?

I guess looking at these questions they seem rather silly as you don't even have your laminate yet!! Bear with me rfisher1968!

mech

I'm hoping I don't have to topcoat it. But it looks like I will have to If I want to use it as a real screen.
Wet1's Avatar Wet1 07:11 PM 02-08-2007
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

I turned a white screen into a grey screen with a gain of 3.0. To let you know how dark the screen is, when I compare the color of PS-7 to my painted screen, my screen is a much darker shade of grey.

Also I'm talking about deeper blacks with tons of ambient light.

Could you please provide more details on this screen you created? These are some very impressive attributes which I've never heard of anyone coming close to matching.
Wet1's Avatar Wet1 07:24 PM 02-08-2007
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Originally Posted by mech View Post

With all due respect, with my ceiling mounted pj it looked awful sitting back ~14 feet. Sparkly hotspot city! The camera made it look as good as it did. It'd be interesting to see it retro reflective wise. Maybe I'll find an hour or so next week....

mech

Mech,
I don't believe you'll see any retro-reflective properties at all with this material. First, based on your ceiling mounted PJ providing the gain shown in the pics, it looks far more angular reflective since the picture was taken at a pretty good angle to the PJ. Second, if it was retro reflective you shouldn't see hotspotting like you say you're seeing. Third, I just took the sample I picked up and hit it with a flashlight... angular reflective, yes... retro, no.

Looking forward to seeing full sheet results! I just hope hotspotting isn't too bad.
Ericglo's Avatar Ericglo 08:24 PM 02-08-2007
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

I turned a white screen into a grey screen with a gain of 3.0. To let you know how dark the screen is, when I compare the color of PS-7 to my painted screen, my screen is a much darker shade of grey.

Also I'm talking about deeper blacks with tons of ambient light.

I thought you might be alluding to ambient light.
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 07:51 AM 02-16-2007
I went to home depot today to pickup the ps90 and it wasn't ps90 and it was damaged. It was D381 107 90. I waited 3 weeks for this result. Home Depot SUCKS!!!!
pjohnston007's Avatar pjohnston007 03:51 PM 02-19-2007
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I went to home depot today to pickup the ps90 and it wasn't ps90 and it was damaged. It was D381 107 90. I waited 3 weeks for this result. Home Depot SUCKS!!!!

So sorry to hear that! I have been looking forward to hearing your thoughts and experience with a full sheet of the PS90.

Better luck in the future--perhaps try a local Wilsonart distributor. They will be able to tell you who carries it locally that is more reliable.

-p
welldun's Avatar welldun 09:33 PM 02-19-2007
Has anyone used any of the Formica brand laminates? I ask this knowing all of the testing that hs been done with the Wilsonart brand, but HD and Lowes out here only have Formica brand in stock. The wilsonart is all special order. If there is a formica color that works as good or better than the Fashion Grey, I should be able to get it locally. If not, I guess its gonna have to get ordered. BTW the quote for the 4x8 wilsonart at lowes was $67.xx
pjohnston007's Avatar pjohnston007 11:44 AM 02-20-2007
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Has anyone used any of the Formica brand laminates? I ask this knowing all of the testing that hs been done with the Wilsonart brand, but HD and Lowes out here only have Formica brand in stock. The wilsonart is all special order. If there is a formica color that works as good or better than the Fashion Grey, I should be able to get it locally. If not, I guess its gonna have to get ordered. BTW the quote for the 4x8 wilsonart at lowes was $67.xx

This is from a previous line-up:



Formica Grey Stone didn't look bad on-screen:






pjohnston007's Avatar pjohnston007 07:57 AM 02-26-2007
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

I went to home depot today to pickup the ps90 and it wasn't ps90 and it was damaged. It was D381 107 90. I waited 3 weeks for this result. Home Depot SUCKS!!!!

rfisher,

Please let us know your progress on the PS90 screen.

Good luck!

-p
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 02:50 PM 02-27-2007
I will gladly take pictures of my 3.0 gain screen that is painted Wilsonart DW. I'm also currently working on taking the Wilsonart Pearl Silver 07 laminate and using a darker RGBY Metallic mix to have similar gain of 3.0. This I hope will become my screen I use.

I also have a sheet of Wilsonart Pearl Silver 90 on order from HD which I have been waiting for about 4.5 weeks that will become a toy when it finally gets here.

As for not showing any pictures, I really didn't think anybody cared. When I mentioned that I painted laminate I was basically laughed at in the original laminate thread. I guess once I measured 3.0 gain now some of you have interest.
Prof.'s Avatar Prof. 05:09 PM 02-27-2007
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Sorry for the harshness but I'm getting a little fed up with the silliness around here lately.

mech

LOL....Well you now know where to go mechman if it gets too silly...sorry, couldn't resist..
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 05:35 PM 02-27-2007
All images are of the rgb/Wilsonart DW 3.0 gain screen with 6 can lights on. The projector wasn't calibrated to d65.




prof55's Avatar prof55 08:30 PM 02-27-2007
Nice looking screen, Rfisher - what's it painted with?
jimwhite's Avatar jimwhite 06:07 AM 02-28-2007
where'd the pictures go ?


rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 06:19 AM 02-28-2007
Sorry, my webserver was upgraded and I didn't start the webserver afterwards.

The paint mix was:

DECOART Dazzling Metallics - White Pearl
Minwax Polyacrylic Semi-Gloss
RGBY Pigments
water

The exact ratio I don't have here at work, but I do at home.
MississippiMan's Avatar MississippiMan 06:56 AM 02-28-2007
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

Sorry, my webserver was upgraded and I didn't start the webserver afterwards.

The paint mix was:

DECOART Dazzling Metallics - White Pearl
Minwax Polyacrylic Semi-Gloss
RGBY Pigments
water

That sounds very familiar.

Are you "Flamin' " us?

A most excellent use of the DW laminate and a applicable paint mix. Now, a comparison between your screen and a raw FG and/or PS Laminate would tell all if painting the DW is a better choice "performance wise' than either the FG or PS.
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 07:32 AM 02-28-2007
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How did you determine the gain?

I determined gain by measuring foot lamberts of BOC cloth with full light from the projector. I also measured the foot lamberts of my screen with the same conditions. I then used the following formula ( my screen fl ) / ( BOC fl ) = My Screen Gain.
rfisher1968's Avatar rfisher1968 07:38 AM 02-28-2007
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

That sounds very familiar.

Are you "Flamin' " us?

A most excellent use of the DW laminate and a applicable paint mix. Now, a comparison between your screen and a raw FG and/or PS Laminate would tell all if painting the DW is a better choice "performance wise' than either the FG or PS.

I measure contrast with the spyder2 on my screen and PS07 and with the projector NOT CALIBRATED, my screen measured about 3200:1 and the PS07 was much lower ( meaning I can't remember, but I believe it was 1300:1 i think). So i guess I liked my screen better because the contrast was much better.
mech's Avatar mech 08:55 AM 02-28-2007
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Originally Posted by rfisher1968 View Post

As for not showing any pictures, I really didn't think anybody cared. When I mentioned that I painted laminate I was basically laughed at in the original laminate thread. I guess once I measured 3.0 gain now some of you have interest.

Nonsense! We love pictures! Pictures tell a thousand words in my view!

mech
mech's Avatar mech 08:56 AM 02-28-2007
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Originally Posted by Prof. View Post

LOL....Well you now know where to go mechman if it gets too silly...sorry, couldn't resist..

Yep! Soon I'll just stay there!

mech
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