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I own two other ES players, both carousels, and the XA-5400 is the first to allow me to power on and off with a remote.

Yes! I've occasionally been annoyed with the fact that my C555 and C2000 have no power button on their remotes. I can only guess that the Sony engineers did not want anyone to turn off the power while the changer was in the middle of a cycle. But the changers always do a complete "search & reset" on power-up, so it remains a mystery.
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Has anyone received or seen the Nov. 2009 issue of Stereophile magazine? Mine has not arrived yet, and this is unusual as most Stereophile editions arrive a month before. The reason I was interested is that Kal Rubinson tested the Arcam AV888 along with the XA-5400, and I was curious on his evaluation of both.
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Has anyone received or seen the Nov. 2009 issue of Stereophile magazine? Mine has not arrived yet, and this is unusual as most Stereophile editions arrive a month before. The reason I was interested is that Kal Rubinson tested the Arcam AV888 along with the XA-5400, and I was curious on his evaluation of both.

Just got my copy yesterday!

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Just got my copy yesterday!

At least now I know there is hope in me getting mine.
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Kal,

I got my copy yesterday. Your article on the v.5 Studio 60 was of particular interest. Not to highjack this thread, but there are a few guys on the big Paradigm thread that might have a question or two for you.
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Kal,

I got my copy yesterday. Your article on the v.5 Studio 60 was of particular interest. Not to highjack this thread, but there are a few guys on the big Paradigm thread that might have a question or two for you.

I still have not receive mine. Could you please summarize what Kal stated about the sound of the 5400 through the Arcam AV888? Thanks.
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Not to highjack this thread, but there are a few guys on the big Paradigm thread that might have a question or two for you.

Where's that?

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Where's that?

here (Post #12374)

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I finally received my Nov. '09 Stereophile edition. Kal, you descibed how the AV888 and the Oppo sounded through the Arcam's analog multi-channel and HDMI inputs. Do you recall how the AV888 and the Sony 5400 sounded through the multi channel analog and HDMI inputs? Thanks.
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I finally received my Nov. '09 Stereophile edition. Kal, you descibed how the AV888 and the Oppo sounded through the Arcam's analog multi-channel and HDMI inputs. Do you recall how the AV888 and the Sony 5400 sounded through the multi channel analog and HDMI inputs? Thanks.

There are no analog MCH outputs from the Sony, so I used it only via HDMI and only briefly as was implied in the comments. Frankly, I was so struck with the fact that it worked that I paid too little attention to how it sounded but I can say that it was certainly the equal of the Oppo. More, I cannot say.

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There are no analog MCH outputs from the Sony, so I used it only via HDMI and only briefly as was implied in the comments. Frankly, I was so struck with the fact that it worked that I paid too little attention to how it sounded but I can say that it was certainly the equal of the Oppo. More, I cannot say.

How dumb of me. I own the 5400 and know it does not have multi-channel analog. In any event, your review confirmed that I made the right decision to keep my Arcam AV9 rather than to upgrade to the AV888, because I use my pre/pro for mostly analog and I depend on the sources D/A converter rather than the processor.
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For those of you who own the XA5400ES, would you make the purchase again? I've owned a couple of Sony's dedicated CD players (CDP-CX345 & CDP-CX355), but not one costing this level of coin. I have however, owned most of their ES flagship dvd players (DVD-S9000ES, NS999ES, NC-555ES & NS-9100ES). For my needs, the dvd players are great for offering the ability to play music and movies. For much of the last year however, I've wondered if there was anything to be gained by purchasing the XA5400ES and/or a HDMI receiver or pre-pro/amp combo. My current receiver is the Sony STR-DA7ES. I also have an ATI-1807 amp.

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For those of you who own the XA5400ES, would you make the purchase again? I've owned a couple of Sony's dedicated CD players (CDP-CX345 & CDP-CX355), but not one costing this level of coin. I have however, owned most of their ES flagship dvd players (DVD-S9000ES, NS999ES, NC-555ES & NS-9100ES). For my needs, the dvd players are great for offering the ability to play music and movies. For much of the last year however, I've wondered if there was anything to be gained by purchasing the XA5400ES and/or a HDMI receiver or pre-pro/amp combo. My current receiver is the Sony STR-DA7ES. I also have an ATI-1807 amp.

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I would purchase mine again. But, for you, I don't think your receiver has a good enough analog section to take advantage of the 5400s D/A converter. In fact, I doubt that the analog section on your receiver is a true analog pass through.
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I would not be using the analog section. I would use a digital connection (either toslink or coaxial), assuming the player has one (in addition to HDMI).
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I would not be using the analog section. I would use a digital connection (either toslink or coaxial), assuming the player has one (in addition to HDMI).

There is no SACD output at all over those outputs. AFAIK, no standard SACD player can do it.

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I understand some Sony SACD players do but only at 16-bit 44.1 kHz or 88.2 kHz at best. Stereo of course.

Sony PS3 supports SACD playback in 16-bit 44.1 kHz stereo PCM i.e Red Book audio quality (so there is no real point in using this) as of system software v2.00.
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I have a PS3, which is my primary player for blu-ray and dvd. I do not play CDs or SACDs thru it. For music, I use the Sony DVP-NC555ES, which is a five disc dvd changer. It has SACD capability thru its analog circuits. I only own about five SACDs, so the player's ultimate use to me is as a five disc CD changer. I've kept it over a myriad of Sony and other players.
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I understand some Sony SACD players do but only at 16-bit 44.1 kHz or 88.2 kHz at best. Stereo of course.

Sony PS3 supports SACD playback in 16-bit 44.1 kHz stereo PCM i.e Red Book audio quality (so there is no real point in using this) as of system software v2.00.

Agreed. No point to discussing these as using a regular CD player would likely be equivalent.

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I bought my Sony 5400 online direct from the Sonystyle website and got it within 48 hours. The unit comes from the factory with 5 years parts and labor warranty.

It sounds so much better than my Ayre C5xe, which I paid $6000 for, that I can't believe it. If this thing doesn't sound absolutely incredible in your system, you can probably blame it on poor amplification components (I am using the Audio Research LS-26 preamp with a Bryston 3B-SST amplifier). I am using the balanced analog outputs only.

This is the best player I have ever heard at any price, and I have heard most of the units costing under $10,000.

My experience with Sony service has been excellent. I sent in my old (1999) SCD-777ES when it was about 8 years old, and for a flat fee of $200, they replaced the bad logic chip that was was causing it to not load, and also put in a whole new laser head and some other parts and tuned it up to specs. It took about 3 weeks including shipping time from California to Texas both ways.
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Hi Kal;

I want to read that white paper, but the only link I can find wants me to subscribe to some software package.

Do you know of some other way to access it; do you have a free link?
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Hi Kal;

I want to read that white paper, but the only link I can find wants me to subscribe to some software package.

Do you know of some other way to access it; do you have a free link?

I do not. I did send a copy to someone who was supposed to post it but I did not make note of where.

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I understand some Sony SACD players do but only at 16-bit 44.1 kHz or 88.2 kHz at best. Stereo of course.

Sony PS3 supports SACD playback in 16-bit 44.1 kHz stereo PCM i.e Red Book audio quality (so there is no real point in using this) as of system software v2.00.

PS3 supports stereo and MCH 24/176.4 over HDMI, stereo 16/48 over TOSLINK and stereo analog over multiport connector.
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It sounds so much better than my Ayre C5xe, which I paid $6000 for, that I can't believe it.

This is the best player I have ever heard at any price, and I have heard most of the units costing under $10,000.

This goes to show you that one does not need to take out a mortgage to get superior audio products. I remember I started to pay 16K for a Krell HTS pre/pro years ago that was only Dolby Pro Logic. Man, am I glad I came to my senses.
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I want to read that white paper ... do you have a free link?

http://rapidshare.com/files/23688036...0_0623_SEL.zip

Click on "Free user".

Keep in mind that it contains a lot of baloney, double-talk, etc.
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PS3 supports stereo and MCH 24/176.4 over HDMI, stereo 16/48 over TOSLINK and stereo analog over multiport connector.

I know. See the PS3 SACD FAQ and my contributions to ps3sacd.com. I just meant to describe the optical output functionality. I realize I may have worded it confusingly. Sorry about that.
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I know. See the PS3 SACD FAQ and my contributions to ps3sacd.com. I just meant to describe the optical output functionality. I realize I may have worded it confusingly. Sorry about that.

Oh, it's you The7thTaylor. Yes, I am also sorry for sruface reading. Indeed the optical part is crap since 2.00 firmware. Before that I was able to get 24/88.2 over it.
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Which one sounds better
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Oh, it's you The7thTaylor. Yes, I am also sorry for sruface reading. Indeed the optical part is crap since 2.00 firmware. Before that I was able to get 24/88.2 over it.

Yes, sorry for the cryptical name, my full ID didn't fit here.

Did you get 24-bit 88.2 kHz stereo PCM from SACD with the original firmware? Or first with v2.00 perhaps? That's the one that also supported on-the-fly DSD-to-DTS transcoding, which was removed again from v2.01. Since that version it's pretty useless. I'm asking because I didn't try it with the old versions.
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Which one sounds better

If it were the Oppo, this thread would stop.
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I am using PS3 to play SACD's over HDMI. Multi channel PCM output is 88.2 khz.
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