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i have been using DTS Neo 6 music a lot lately for 2 channel music. does anybody else use it or PLII music and like the results, or am i the only one?

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i have been using DTS Neo 6 music a lot lately for 2 channel music. does anybody else use it or PLII music and like the results, or am i the only one?

I have a 5.1 setup and use PLII for 2-channel sources quite a bit. As a single example, I have a 3-CD set by Earth, Wind & Fire called "The Eternal Dance." It's over 10 years old now--and the recordings themselves are far older than that--but at a solid listening level (-10dB or so from reference), listening with PLII I have a hard time believing it wasn't mixed as multi-channel. To be fair, with other CDs I prefer to just listen in stereo.

I was skeptical of these "surround modes" coming from an old Yamaha receiver that had gimmicky ambience modes like "concert hall," "jazz club" and the like, but Neo 6 and PLII are clearly a different beast. If you like the way they sound, does anything else really matter?

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You're not alone. I've been using surround processing with 2-channel music since the early 1990s; first with Fosgate processors, then with Lexicon processors. PLII Music mode is especially good, what with its adjustable parameters that can tailor the processing to your individual taste.

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I use PLII Music for most stereo sources, not just music. I prefer the wider soundtage and adjustable dimension parameters with the Music mode over the Cinema mode.
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I enjoy listening to my stereo tracks (All done on computers these days!) and applying PLII and NEO:6 to see which I prefer better.

90% of the time I prefer the one of the surround processing modes to the stereo recording.

I've noticed that with all channels active I can turn down the volume a few notches. It keeps conversation levels down and neighbors happier!
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With my Denon, I use "6 Channel Stereo". I never use the ambient sounds like "Concert Hall" either. I've used PLII and Neo:6, and they sound fine, but keep going back to "6 Channel Stereo"
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for a two-channel source PLII music is outstanding...

as others have noted, the ability to tweak to personal taste is very cool
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I use it once in a while for very low listening level but prefer 7 channel on my denon for a very full experence. Some how I still get surround effect with this setting and think it has to do with the accoustics of the room. If you have this setting try it out as it my preferred setting above DTS 6 or PLII or Stereo (direct or Pure)

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I use it once in a while for very low listening level but prefer 7 channel on my denon for a very full experence. Some how I still get surround effect with this setting and think it has to do with the accoustics of the room. If you have this setting try it out as it my preferred setting above DTS 6 or PLII or Stereo (direct or Pure)

i have it, but not a fan. different strokes for different folks i guess.

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PLIIx for music for me. DTS Neo6 is a moving target it seems, as DTS revises it ever so often. In the last 5 AVR I had it, it performed differently in each cases, and the music mode can't be adjusted still.

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PLIIx for music for me. DTS Neo6 is a moving target it seems, as DTS revises it ever so often. In the last 5 AVR I had it, it performed differently in each cases, and the music mode can't be adjusted still.

on my Yamaha i can adjust the "center width" in Neo 6 music. it still seems to sound better to me than DPLII.

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on my Yamaha i can adjust the "center width" in Neo 6 music. it still seems to sound better to me than DPLII.

It's my understanding that N6 is mono in the rears, correct? (The left rear and the right rear are the same, right?)
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It's my understanding that N6 is mono in the rears, correct? (The left rear and the right rear are the same, right?)

That is my understanding 6.1 not 7.1

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I find Live CD's sound great with PLll.
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That is my understanding 6.1 not 7.1

what happens to the sides/rears when you use neo 6 on a 5.1 setup?

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In the monority here... stereo sounds best in stereo. The imaging is great and the speakers disappear. I no longer get this great effect using multi-channel proceesing.

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on my Yamaha i can adjust the "center width" in Neo 6 music. it still seems to sound better to me than DPLII.

So is my Integra, some reason I remembered that was for the "Cinema" settings, but it is for music. Still it is a far cry from DPLII's adjustability.

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what happens to the sides/rears when you use neo 6 on a 5.1 setup?

There are only 2 options, discard or fold into.

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what happens to the sides/rears when you use neo 6 on a 5.1 setup?

No surround-back information is extracted, only surround-left and surround-right channels. If any sounds end up being common to both surround speakers, then those sounds will end up phantom imaging behind you (like how sounds phantom image at the centre of a stereo set-up). Not as stable as having speakers behind you, but you'll still get some of the directionality (if you're seated in the sweet spot).

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No surround-back information is extracted, only surround-left and surround-right channels. If any sounds end up being common to both surround speakers, then those sounds will end up phantom imaging behind you (like how sounds phantom image at the centre of a stereo set-up). Not as stable as having speakers behind you, but you'll still get some of the directionality (if you're seated in the sweet spot).

that is what i figured. thanks.

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I use 7 channel sound on my Denon. It sounds amazing even when connected to an MP3 player. PL2 is a close second. All those other surround parameters just sond processed to death.
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Just to pile on,
I now listen to multichannel exclusively. I matrix all my 2 channel recordings into either IIx or Harman's Logic 7, depending on the mood or material. I love the tweakability of IIx. The Logic 7 keeps most everything in the front, spreads vocals wide across, and uses the surrounds for a convincing room ambiance. I like it better at louder volumes, but as mentioned above, IIx seems more involving at lower volumes.
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while trying to expand my surround sound collection, i thought how amazing it would be to have Radiohead's work in 5.1 and figured I'd through a couple albums on and run them through Dolby PLIIx Music...WOW. if you like the band and haven't tried this, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
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Has anyone compared multichannel SACD/DVD-A with a standard CD using PLII or DTS Neo6?

What is the need for multichannel DVD-Audio or SACD if PLII and DTS Neo6 sound great?
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Has anyone compared multichannel SACD/DVD-A with a standard CD using PLII or DTS Neo6?

What is the need for multichannel DVD-Audio or SACD if PLII and DTS Neo6 sound great?

i haven't A/B'ed one against the other but i'd imagine they would not sound exactly the same, if even close at all.

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Has anyone compared multichannel SACD/DVD-A with a standard CD using PLII or DTS Neo6?

on Queen's A Night at the Opera, Death On Two Legs sounds awesome with PLII; but it's just one song from the album, and nothing could approximate the way they mixed Bohemian Rhapsody or The Prophet Song.

Same goes for Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon

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What is the need for multichannel DVD-Audio or SACD if PLII and DTS Neo6 sound great?

for one, SACD and DVD-A are much higher resolution than CDs.
second, PLII and DTS neo doesn't always work on everything
thrid, properly mixed m/c SACD/DVDA is much more enveloping and aggressive than synthesized channels

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Has anyone compared multichannel SACD/DVD-A with a standard CD using PLII or DTS Neo6?

What is the need for multichannel DVD-Audio or SACD if PLII and DTS Neo6 sound great?

Surround decoders will create VERY center-dominant sound and potentially lose most of the stereo image. Varies with particular sources, but generally the effect is not too good.
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Surround decoders will create VERY center-dominant sound and potentially lose most of the stereo image. Varies with particular sources, but generally the effect is not too good.

No more center dominant than the source, typically. And both Neo and PLII Music modes allow user adjustment of the center speaker strength. In the case of PLII you can set it all the way to pure phantom stereo, so it's 2-ch stereo plus 2 or 4 surrounds, depending on the speakers available.

It's best to try these things on your own and see what works best for you.
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Surround decoders will create VERY center-dominant sound and potentially lose most of the stereo image. Varies with particular sources, but generally the effect is not too good.

But isn't the point of surround sound is that it renders the stereo image moot?

 

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You're not alone. I've been using surround processing with 2-channel music since the early 1990s; first with Fosgate processors, then with Lexicon processors. PLII Music mode is especially good, what with its adjustable parameters that can tailor the processing to your individual taste.

Nice! I've been doing the same, although in my case the Meridian way. I prefer synthesized surround to 2-channel, and although a discreet 5.1 mix usually sounds better, not always.

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