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post #31 of 50 Old 08-02-2014, 01:24 PM
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Not sure how I've missed this thread... the Heads are one of my favorite groups.

I usually listen around -12 on my Denon, but don't know what SPL that gives- but it is LOUD, w/ some of the fattest, roundest bass I've heard. Sometimes will take it even louder, maybe down to -9. This is too loud for continuing listening, not b/c of fatigue or harshness, but b/c of possible hearing damage. I've never noticed it being too bright.

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1- SIT
2- RIL
3- MSABAF
4- Naked
5- FOM
6- LC
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8- TS

These are reference 5.1 mixes imo, though the 1st couple albums are a touch below the rest. I love the bonus Burning Down the House in 5.1; not sure whether I prefer it or the original and that's saying a lot as I love the original.
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Not sure how I've missed this thread... the Heads are one of my favorite groups.

I usually listen around -12 on my Denon, but don't know what SPL that gives- but it is LOUD, w/ some of the fattest, roundest bass I've heard. Sometimes will take it even louder, maybe down to -9. This is too loud for continuing listening, not b/c of fatigue or harshness, but b/c of possible hearing damage. I've never noticed it being too bright.

My rankings:

1- SIT
2- RIL
3- MSABAF
4- Naked
5- FOM
6- LC
7- 77
8- TS

These are reference 5.1 mixes imo, though the 1st couple albums are a touch below the rest. I love the bonus Burning Down the House in 5.1; not sure whether I prefer it or the original and that's saying a lot as I love the original.
Are any of these still available and for a fair price?
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Are any of these still available and for a fair price?
I believe I read somewhere- maybe even upthread here- that the True Stories and 77 discs are very pricey, but the others can be found for good prices. A quick check of amazon shows nothing available new for a good price (close to $700 for the whole Brick- only $220 used ), but a couple of good deals on used discs. I'd also check ebay. It seems most of them can still be had used for good prices, but that could change at any moment, so if interested, I'd suggest getting out there and doing your due diligence asap. Good luck- these are definitely awesome if you like the Head's music.
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I believe I read somewhere- maybe even upthread here- that the True Stories and 77 discs are very pricey, but the others can be found for good prices. A quick check of amazon shows nothing available new for a good price (close to $700 for the whole Brick- only $220 used ), but a couple of good deals on used discs. I'd also check ebay. It seems most of them can still be had used for good prices, but that could change at any moment, so if interested, I'd suggest getting out there and doing your due diligence asap. Good luck- these are definitely awesome if you like the Head's music.
I just went through the lengthy process of getting all of these except for Naked. I was looking for the UK DVD-A's but it also holds pretty true for the Dualdiscs. Everything is still not badly priced except for Little Creatures and True Stories which have gone ballistic. OTOH, the prices for everything are starting to climb sharply so the supply is finally drying up. From what I read, even up to 3 years ago they were dirt cheap so the time to get them is now. They aren't going to get any cheaper.
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I picked up both Remain in Light and Speaking in Tongues in the last few months for under $20. Incredible discs but I'm not too interesting in getting anymore of their catalog.


As others have said, get them while you can.

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I bought the Brick back in the day.
Not happy about the dualdisc config but never bothered to go for the UK CD\DVD singles.
Which also reminds me I haven't ripped these yet.
Hope my laptop drive can read them.
My favs are the first 3, SIT, True Stories.
Naked is really the only one that doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

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Not sure how I've missed this thread... the Heads are one of my favorite groups.

I usually listen around -12 on my Denon, but don't know what SPL that gives- but it is LOUD, w/ some of the fattest, roundest bass I've heard. Sometimes will take it even louder, maybe down to -9. This is too loud for continuing listening, not b/c of fatigue or harshness, but b/c of possible hearing damage. I've never noticed it being too bright.


...These are reference 5.1 mixes imo, though the 1st couple albums are a touch below the rest. I love the bonus Burning Down the House in 5.1; not sure whether I prefer it or the original and that's saying a lot as I love the original.
Thanks for posting how loud you listen and it seems most folks listen at about the "-12" MV position on Denon AVRs--Cool. That said, "Burning Down the House" extended version completely supplants the original for my listening pleasure. I have many a fond memory dancin' (in a foolish "white boy" kinda way) to the original, both by myself and in public.

That said, the way the music flows from my front, left, right and rear soundstage in the extended version makes it the most awesome remix of a song I thought couldn't get any better--It actually sounds like a 7.1 music disk.

One thing I noticed though--It seems that all of the TH dual disks are easily scratchable, but so far hasn't made any of them skip.
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I have Audyssey (XT32) on my AVR so If I get time this weekend I'll spin something from the Brick. This Must Be The Place (Naive Melody) is definitely a fun track for a sub workout.


Cool! I almost missed the Bonus Track of Psycho Killer on "Talking Heads:77 (really the only song I like on that disk) so I also would like to get your impressions of the Bonus Track of Burning Down the House on "Speaking in Tongues," which is my favorite show-off song. It sounds AMAZING on my 9.2 Home Theater! I realize that it's only a 5.1 mix but on my system the vocals and drums travel all of the way around the room and it actually seemed like it was mixed in 7.1! When David Byrne starts talking to himself the returned vocals actually come out of my rear speakers and not my surrounds and is WAY cool.

For the record, I listened to it at -10 on the MV which made the SPL meter needle hover around 85 dB with a 94 dB peak (C weighted and Slow). I also checked out This Must Be the Place at the same MV level and it gave me about an 80 dB level with peaks to 85 dB or so--Not as loud but still awesome sounding. {Note: I have an AVR-4311ci and use Dolby PLIIz with rear and height speakers. I also have DYN EQ on but DynVolume off)
I finally got around to spinning this disc again last night at a very spirited level. I couldn't find my SPL meter but I pushed the 4311 to 0 for the last half of the bonus track (the instrumental portion). I also aired it out with "This Must Be The Place" and "Girlfriend Is Better" and gave my Ascend/Rythmik combo a good workout. A really fun disc.

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I finally got around to spinning this disc again last night at a very spirited level. I couldn't find my SPL meter but I pushed the 4311 to 0 for the last half of the bonus track (the instrumental portion). I also aired it out with "This Must Be The Place" and "Girlfriend Is Better" and gave my Ascend/Rythmik combo a good workout. A really fun disc.
Dude--0 on the MV! Thanks for posting. Over the last few days I've spun all of my Talking Heads disks again and will come back and share some other thoughts...That said, I will pull out my SPL meter and see how loud I can get it before it actually sounds bad in our HT (Klipsch speakers and Denon AVR-4311ci) but if I get to the "0" position my wife will definitely need to be out of the house. {Note: we watch movies close to there all of the time.}
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I finally got around to spinning this disc again last night at a very spirited level. I couldn't find my SPL meter but I pushed the 4311 to 0 for the last half of the bonus track (the instrumental portion). ....
Last night I tried playing the most excellent bonus track of "Burning down the house" on my Denon AVR-4311/Klipsch HT to see how loud I could comfortably get it and "-6" was the limit. That gave me peaks to 100 dB with the needle hangin' around 90 dB C-weighted/slow on my Rat Shack meter, but even with a few ales felt if it got louder something would suffer.
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Last night I tried playing the most excellent bonus track of "Burning down the house" on my Denon AVR-4311/Klipsch HT to see how loud I could comfortably get it and "-6" was the limit. That gave me peaks to 100 dB with the needle hangin' around 90 dB C-weighted/slow on my Rat Shack meter, but even with a few ales felt if it got louder something would suffer.
I have a fairly large room so I sometimes air it out a bit to check for rattles. One of these days I'll break out the SPL meter but typically I know it's pretty loud when the dog leaves the room.

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If these mixes are re-released on Blu-ray, I will definitely repurchase the set. I really hate the DualDisc box but I'm lucky they play in my player(s), for now.
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I really like the mixes I've heard in the Brick so far, but these are totally different from the original album mixes. The lead vocals are cut in volume by almost half. Talking Heads originally was seen as a backing band for David Byrne, but you would never know that from these mixes. The multichannel versions are all about the rhythm section.
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I listened to Fear of Music last night, and they didn't do the weird phase thing and mix down on the vocals quite as much as the later albums. It sounded more like the original mix, but there wasn't as much going on in the rears in some of the songs either. Maybe the early albums were recorded 8 tracks instead of 24.
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Here's a chance to rate your Talking Head's (Brick) catalog, based on your opinion of enjoyment with the 5.1 surround DVD-Audio format, from 1 (being the best) through 8. I know, it's tough for some of us, but try to do it, and good luck!

Here are mine:

1) Fear Of Music (my second owned album, purchased the year it was released)
2) More Songs About Buildings And Food (originally, my first Head's album, won on a radio station call-in along with two tickets to see them in concert)
3) Talking Heads: 77
4) Speaking In Tongues
5) Remain In Light
6) Little Creatures
7) Naked
8) True Stories

I do have to admit, this list has changed somewhat since I first Posted. I mean, somewhat, in that the discs I mostly play and enjoy are different now.

1) Fear Of Music
2) Speaking In Tongues
3) Remain In Light
4) True Stories (for 3 songs)
5) More Songs About Buildings And Food
6) 77
7) Little Creatures
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I really like the mixes I've heard in the Brick so far, but these are totally different from the original album mixes. The lead vocals are cut in volume by almost half. Talking Heads originally was seen as a backing band for David Byrne, but you would never know that from these mixes. The multichannel versions are all about the rhythm section.
Interesting observation but how do you compare the 2 channel version's vocal SPL compared to the Multichannel disk and come to that conclusion? Could converting the sources used for 2 channel into 5.1 allows for more versatility in the material?

I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Byrne's vocals moving around the room on songs such as the remake of Burning Down the House is incredibly clean and clear. I didn't notice the phenomena you are talking about, although admit I wasn't looking for it...Honestly, when I am sitting in my chair listening to these songs it's like I am inside David Byrne's head!
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Interesting observation but how do you compare the 2 channel version's vocal SPL compared to the Multichannel disk and come to that conclusion? Could converting the sources used for 2 channel into 5.1 allows for more versatility in the material?
I'm referring to the original mixes for LP and CD release. The later albums in the brick sound very different from the original LPs. I suspect that the fact that David Byrne was not a part of the remixing team led to a little bit of reduction in his prominence in the balances. Some of the characteristic Eno "thickness" is missing in the mix too.

It's interesting, because some multichannel versions are totally faithful to the original mix... in particular the Elton John SACDs which sound EXACTLY like the original balances, just distributed to the various channels. Others, like some of the Rolling Stones SACDs and the Steven Wilson Jethro Tull albums which completely change just about everything.
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I've had The Brick since day one or 2 and remember reading a couple interviews with Jerry Harrison regarding how he and his team approached the re-mixes.
He specifically stated that his intent was leave the overall sound of the recordings as close to the originals as possible, no jacking anything up or down.
He also did not do an immersive mix but rather a wide-stereo presentation that would now be characterized as an audience mix rather than a stage mix.
Very little filtering and some slight analog compression in a few spots.
He didn't cite specifics but again the intent was not to do a revisionist version of the original recordings and futz with them as little as necessary.
Personally, when I listen to albums this intent shows.
There's nothing radically different from the original lps or cds to me and I've listened to them a lot.
The nature of the band's music changed radically over the years, obviously, from a spare 4 piece with occasional keyboards to a dense, poly-rhythmic sound and back again.
I toyed with getting the Euro DVD-A\CDs but procrastinated long enough to just rip them all to HD a couple years ago.
I'm glad to see people still discovering this set 10 years on.
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There is a reviewer on amazon who claims that the center channel is out of phase to the rest of the channels on some albums. That would certainly end up making the vocals sound distant and processed, but I don't think that's it. I think the lower balances and added effects to Byrnes' vocals are creative choices made when they remixed. They definitely don't put his vocals in the center channel much, and that tends to make the focus kind of diffuse. There are large swaths of the later albums where I can't discern what the lyrics are saying. I know them in my head from listening to the LP for so long, but in the remix the words aren't clear any more.
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