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Review: YES Fragile DVD-a

5.1 and 2.0 hi-rez, DD 5.1 also available
Music: 10
Surround mix: 9

I've been listening to Fragile since mid-70's, so I am intimately familiar with the album. But when I unwrapped the dvd-a and sat back for a listen, it was like a new experience. While the mix is sometimes aggressive in use of surrounds, it still stays true to the music- just expands and clarifies it. The album comprises 5 group efforts and five "solo" pieces, one from each band member, including the newly-arrived keyboard wizard Rick Wakeman. His multi-layered, multi-tracked keyboard take "Cans and Brahms" is a real mch show-off track, w/ different keyboards coming from different speakers- and I've never heard the bass so full on this track as it is on the dvd-a; those organ pedals really penetrate. Bruford's short drum track is the most adventurous, as the sounds cycle around the soundstage. All the songs benefit from a fine surround mix and the increased room for the individual instruments to shine. Yes music is often complicated, full of contrapuntal lines and often w/ 3-or-more part harmonies, so their music really benefits from having the space to differentiate the different instruments and voices. And anyone who knows Yes knows how critical Squire's bass work is to the Yes sound; the bass really shines on this disc. The one track that is less impressive is Howe's guitar solo "Mood for a Day." It doesn't have the fullness I expect of a surround mix, even for a solo instrument. It almost sounds a little compressed; it sounds a little hollow, like he's playing in a huge empty space. This track drops a point off the surround mix score.

I can even listen to Roundabout with this great mix, a song that got burned out for me a while ago; not only was it the most frequently played Yessong on the radio, but it has also been played at EVERY Yes concert I've been to, which is a very considerable number (Starship Trooper and I've seen All Good People/ Your Move have recieved the same fate). But the best tracks (meaning of course the ones I like the most) are Heart of the Sunrise and South Side of the Sky. Neither has a real aggressive surround mix, but they are very well-done. Yes music is very dynamic and during the quieter, airy parts, the mix has me feeling like I'm floating along within the music, absorbed into it's atmosphere, until they bring the hammer down and the power drives right into my chest.

There are some pics available, as well as lyrics to the songs while playing. There is a bonus mix of "America," Yes' reworking of S&G's song that only ever made it onto a compilation LP (Yesterdays), but was a live staple for a time. I love this song and it also sounds great in mch, though slightly marred by some guitar noodling that was unwisely added in a few places. All in all, an excellent package, highly recommended.
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If you have any interest in the above dvd-a, I just saw this- from UK, but even w/ shipping, a good price- assuming it doesn't balloon as auction ends. But hurry- over in 1 day 6 hrs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yes-Fragile-DVD-2002-/111017505272?pt=UK_CDsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL&hash=item19d928b1f8

and no, this is not my listing- I'm in the good ol USA.
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Review: YES Fragile DVD-a

5.1 and 2.0 hi-rez, DD 5.1 also available
Music: 10
Surround mix: 9

I've been listening to Fragile since mid-70's, so I am intimately familiar with the album. But when I unwrapped the dvd-a and sat back for a listen, it was like a new experience. While the mix is sometimes aggressive in use of surrounds, it still stays true to the music- just expands and clarifies it. The album comprises 5 group efforts and five "solo" pieces, one from each band member, including the newly-arrived keyboard wizard Rick Wakeman. His multi-layered, multi-tracked keyboard take "Cans and Brahms" is a real mch show-off track, w/ different keyboards coming from different speakers- and I've never heard the bass so full on this track as it is on the dvd-a; those organ pedals really penetrate. Bruford's short drum track is the most adventurous, as the sounds cycle around the soundstage. All the songs benefit from a fine surround mix and the increased room for the individual instruments to shine. Yes music is often complicated, full of contrapuntal lines and often w/ 3-or-more part harmonies, so their music really benefits from having the space to differentiate the different instruments and voices. And anyone who knows Yes knows how critical Squire's bass work is to the Yes sound; the bass really shines on this disc. The one track that is less impressive is Howe's guitar solo "Mood for a Day." It doesn't have the fullness I expect of a surround mix, even for a solo instrument. It almost sounds a little compressed; it sounds a little hollow, like he's playing in a huge empty space. This track drops a point off the surround mix score.

I can even listen to Roundabout with this great mix, a song that got burned out for me a while ago; not only was it the most frequently played Yessong on the radio, but it has also been played at EVERY Yes concert I've been to, which is a very considerable number (Starship Trooper and I've seen All Good People/ Your Move have recieved the same fate). But the best tracks (meaning of course the ones I like the most) are Heart of the Sunrise and South Side of the Sky. Neither has a real aggressive surround mix, but they are very well-done. Yes music is very dynamic and during the quieter, airy parts, the mix has me feeling like I'm floating along within the music, absorbed into it's atmosphere, until they bring the hammer down and the power drives right into my chest.

There are some pics available, as well as lyrics to the songs while playing. There is a bonus mix of "America," Yes' reworking of S&G's song that only ever made it onto a compilation LP (Yesterdays), but was a live staple for a time. I love this song and it also sounds great in mch, though slightly marred by some guitar noodling that was unwisely added in a few places. All in all, an excellent package, highly recommended.



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Thanks! for sharing. Great album, great review.
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I have close to 500 SACDs now: http://www.sa-cd.net/library/4224/1

Luckily the bulk of my collection was acquired when the format was mostly
ignored. The prices are just insane these days, should I buy a safe for Kraftwerk
and the Rolling Stones?smile.gif

I have learned that one of the best ways to navigate future purchases
is to read sa-cd.net reviews, esp if there is more than one. The rating
system allow sound quality comments too. Then I link to the sellers from
the page.

My rule of thumb is only to buy items 4.5 stars or above.

There are however many unreviewed great recordings. Just recently i got
Universal Japan's Dire Strait's Communique and I just cannot stop listening
to it, SQ is amazing, yet no reviews.

I am also getting more and more into DTS-HD MA concert and music videos.
I found that blu-ray.com reviewers comments seem to be right on.
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I have close to 500 SACDs now: http://www.sa-cd.net/library/4224/1

Luckily the bulk of my collection was acquired when the format was mostly
ignored. The prices are just insane these days, should I buy a safe for Kraftwerk
and the Rolling Stones?smile.gif

I have learned that one of the best ways to navigate future purchases
is to read sa-cd.net reviews, esp if there is more than one. The rating
system allow sound quality comments too. Then I link to the sellers from
the page.

My rule of thumb is only to buy items 4.5 stars or above.

There are however many unreviewed great recordings. Just recently i got
Universal Japan's Dire Strait's Communique and I just cannot stop listening
to it, SQ is amazing, yet no reviews.

I am also getting more and more into DTS-HD MA concert and music videos.
I found that blu-ray.com reviewers comments seem to be right on.



This is good info. So you have quite a few Japan SACD's? I've been afraid to try them, at 60 bucks a pop I didn't want to make a mistake. Unless you know a cheaper outlet. Thanks.
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Anyone buy the new APO SACD Doors box set?
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View PostThis is good info. So you have quite a few Japan SACD's? I've been afraid to try them, at 60 bucks a pop I didn't want to make a mistake. Unless you know a cheaper outlet. Thanks.

$60 for a CD I don't think so :( Are they gold plated!

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$60 for a CD I don't think so frown.gif Are they gold plated!

SHM-SACDs are not gold but "SHM-SACD (Super High Material SACD) is the ultimate Super Audio CD that utilizes the materials and technologies that were developed for the SHM-CD to further enhance the audio-resolution". That alone has to be better than gold plated wink.gif.

I agree that the SHM-SACDs are waaaay overpriced. I have a few and I'll hold on to them but I doubt I'll be buying anymore unless the costs are below $40. The last one I bought was Quadrophenia and that was new from ebay (blowitoutahere) for $52 shipped. Certainly not a bargain but one that I wanted as it sounds excellent and could be OOP in the near future.

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$60 for a CD I don't think so frown.gif Are they gold plated!



I know it's a lot but with our setups being so revealing anymore I would pay that for a couple I knew were really well mastered.
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SHM-SACDs are not gold but "SHM-SACD (Super High Material SACD) is the ultimate Super Audio CD that utilizes the materials and technologies that were developed for the SHM-CD to further enhance the audio-resolution". That alone has to be better than gold plated wink.gif.

I agree that the SHM-SACDs are waaaay overpriced. I have a few and I'll hold on to them but I doubt I'll be buying anymore unless the costs are below $40. The last one I bought was Quadrophenia and that was new from ebay (blowitoutahere) for $52 shipped. Certainly not a bargain but one that I wanted as it sounds excellent and could be OOP in the near future.

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Do they sell those with any claims regarding the longevity of the data? That would be a possible benefit of better materials. But the audio resolution is a function of the bit depth and the data rate. And the mastering is unrelated to the materials used as well

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If youse guys want a steal, mosey over to HDtracks.com and pay $5 for the binaural stereo 192/24 Wake Up Your Ears sampler download of Chesky tracks being promoted by Audiogon right now. It's actually $5 for your choice of 44/16, 96/24, or 192/24 - all the same price. I bought a .flac download of the 192/24 and was blown away by it and wanted to see if I could hear a difference from the 96/24, so I shelled out another $5 for that version as well.

Long story short, the difference is significant - it's the difference between a really good sounding disk and being in the same room as the musicians.The difference is in the clarity of the high frequency room acoustics.

I'm playing these .flacs through my Oppo BDP-93 over my LAN - I've stopped burning disks, since the Oppo doesn't care whether it's getting a flac from a data DVD, a memory stick, or over a LAN.

I've long mocked binaural recordings but Chesky does them right, creating an almost holographic effect. I don't limit the sound to the front main speakers, however, but use my amp's ability to play the same thing out the side surrounds, turning the room into a giant pair of headphones.

Not to be believed.

PS Most of the music is blues or jazz - which is my favorite stuff anyway.

PPS Unlike the bulk of the stuff at HDTracks, which is from old analog tapes, this stuff was recorded digitally by Chesky itself.

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Really can't stand any of the music on that sampler except the classical piece

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That's the damn thing with SHM-SACDs.
All of the small collection of them that I have with the exception of the first one I bought, sound better than any other version I own.
I swore off them then read good reviews of My Aim Is True on sacd.net and bought that one!
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That's the damn thing with SHM-SACDs.
All of the small collection of them that I have with the exception of the first one I bought, sound better than any other version I own.
I swore off them then read good reviews of My Aim Is True on sacd.net and bought that one!
I'm worthless and weak...

Milt, if they sound better and you are comfortable with the cost difference for that sound quality difference, then you have gotten your money's worth. I do not own any myself, nor have I ever compared any to the corresponding "lesser" version.

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Milt, if they sound better and you are comfortable with the cost difference for that sound quality difference, then you have gotten your money's worth. I do not own any myself, nor have I ever compared any to the corresponding "lesser" version.

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Jeff,

I agree with your thoughts 100%. I've spent more than $60 for a few SACDs and at times wonder if I'm nuts wink.gif. But in the end I have enjoyed these SACDs very much so the money spent was well worth it for me smile.gif.

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Would really love to get back on the saddle and review some discs, but hey if someone else takes the reigns that would be awesome too biggrin.gif

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Would really love to get back on the saddle and review some discs, but hey if someone else takes the reigns that would be awesome too biggrin.gif

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Hey Dan,

Nice job resurrecting this old thread smile.gif. I think you should copy and paste your review of Jorma Kaukonen's Blue Country Heart SACD and post it here. I'm listening to it right now. I'll have to do a few reviews to get "back in the saddle" wink.gif. The only problem might be linking new reviews to the first post. If I recall the last time I tried to add a link to new reviews in the first post they wouldn't post properly. I'll have to try it again when there are some new reviews.

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Hey Dan,

Nice job resurrecting this old thread smile.gif. I think you should copy and paste your review of Jorma Kaukonen's Blue Country Heart SACD and post it here. I'm listening to it right now. I'll have to do a few reviews to get "back in the saddle" wink.gif. The only problem might be linking new reviews to the first post. If I recall the last time I tried to add a link to new reviews in the first post they wouldn't post properly. I'll have to try it again when there are some new reviews.

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Yeah it was buried deep a great thread such as this one needed to be raised up! Yeah I almost forgot I wrote that, it needs to be polish up a bit I think I was smoking meth when I wrote it so I can probably do it up a little better,
I sure the Cary is making you proud, are you tube rolling? I know you had a few Tube Preamps in the pass just wondering is you had some Tubes put away for a snowing cold day?

I vaguely recall you having some issues with the first page, and linking issues...Perhaps one of the Mods can help out?


Hoping of a snow day tomorrow biggrin.gif

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