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I thought I would start a thread with a focus on discussing the Sound Quality and the Music on SACD/DVD-A. With there being threads discussing "What are your most recent SACD purchases?" and "Technical Reviews/Comments on SACD/DVD-A" I thought one discussing the SQ and the Music of specific SACD/DVD-As would be fun. Maybe to start with no specific guidelines unless everyone would think a template for this would be a good idea. Although it might be a good idea to have a format for doing reviews similar to what Jeff has in the "Technical Reviews/Comments on SACD/DVD-A" thread he started.

Please post your comments if you feel a thread of this nature is even needed and any other ideas. I thought focusing specifically on SQ and the music content would be helpful in several ways. With discussions of overall SQ of a SACD/DVD-As it could prove to be very helpful. Mostly as to whether a specific SACD/DVD-A is worth the cost over that of the Red Book CD. Discussing the music of a specific title might be helpful as well. For example if a specific artist has multiple SACD/DVD-As available we can discuss if title A is a good as title B.

I think the theme should be one that is laid back and to have an open mind to others thoughts and opinions. If someone feels the new Milli Vanilli Greatest Hits SACD is a must have lets be nice (I preordered it already).

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Listing of Reviews by Artist and Title:



AIX Allstar Band -Moonlight Acoustica / USAFChief



Alison Krauss - Forget About It / Sound of Mind



Allman Brothers - Eat A Peach / Bill Mac



Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers - Keystone 3 / Bill Mac



Art Pepper - Gettin' Together / Bill Mac



Beck - Guero and Sea Change DVD-A / grubadub



 



Bonnie Raitt - Nick of Time DVD-A /grubadub



Bryan Ferry - Boys And Girls / Bill Mac



Carole King The Carnegie Hall Concert (Live) / SoundofMind



Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out-SACD / Bill Mac



Burton, Corea, Metheny, Haynes & Holland - Like Minds-SACD / Bill Mac



Depeche Mode - Speak & Spell SACD / Venomous



Di Meola/McLaughlin/DeLucia - Friday Night in San Francisco / Bill Mac



Dire Straits - Dire Straits-SACD / voigtskins



Donald Fagen - Morph The Cat / Bill Mac



Donald Fagen - Nightfly Trilogy / SoundofMind



Doug Macloud - Whose Truth, Whose Lies / Djoel



Eagles - Hotel California-DVD-A / grubadub



Eagles - Hotel California-SACD / voigtskins



Eleanor McEvoy - Early Hours / Djoel



Elton John - (Self Titled), Tumbleweed Connection and Madman Across The Water / Jonc123



Flaming Lips - At War With the Mystics DVD-A / Djoel



Fleetwood Mac - Rumours-SACD / voigtskins



Foreigner - 4-SACD / mikejedi123



Gene Harris, Scott Hamilton - At Last / Djoel



Gene Harris - The Gene Harris Trio Plus One / voigtskins



James Taylor - JT, Dad Loves His Work and Flag / SoundofMind



Laurence Juber - Guitar Noir / USAFChief



Mark Knopfler - Sailing To Philadelphia / Bill Mac



Miles Davis - Miles Smiles / Bill Mac



Monty Alexander - My America / Pet Motel SACD



Monty Alexander and Earnest Ranglin - Rocksteady / Pet Motel



Nick Drake - Treasury / Bill Mac



Patricia Barber - Cafe' Blue / Bill Mac



Peter Gabriel - Security / Bill Mac



Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here SACD / voigtskins



Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed / Bill Mac



Santana - Caravanserai / Bill Mac



Shaft - Soundtrack / grubadub



Spyro Gyra - Good To Go Go / Pet Motel



Stan Getz Quartet - Pure Getz / Bill Mac



Steely Dan - Aja / Bill Mac



Steely Dan - Gaucho, Everything Must Go, Two Against Nature / Sound of Mind



Willie Nelson - Stardust / Djoel



I wanted to add this post to guide those that are not sure where to find SACDs at decent prices.



I have been buying CDs and SACDs from importcds for a few years now. I've been happy with their service, inventory and pricing. The great thing about the importcds site is you can search for SACDs by genre and price. I was just looking at their site and it is great as you can select SACD, genre and price (low to high). Below is a link to their site showing the great selection of SACDs in the Jazz genre. It should be helpful to those that are not sure where to buy SACDs at decent pricing.



http://www.importcds.com/Music/SACD/Jazz



Here is a link for Rock/Pop not as many SACDs as Jazz but some good prices on a few MOFI SACDs.



http://www.importcds.com/Music/SACD/RockPop




List of some low cost SACD/DVD-As.

I will try to keep this updated but prices and availability will change. The sa-cd.net links have links to Amazon with pricing. If anyone comes across a bargain please post and I'll add it to this list.



Allman Brothers - Eat A Peach



Burton, Corea, Metheny, Haynes and Holland - Like Minds



Chick Corea - Rendezvous In New York



Diana Krall - Girl In The Other Room



Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms



Donald Fagen - Morph The Cat DVD-A



Donald Fagen - Nightfly Trilogy (great box set for Dan' or Fagen fans)



Eric Clapton - 461 Ocean Blvd.



Gene Harris / Scott Hamilton Quintet - At Last



John Coltrane - A Love Supreme



Junior Wells - Come On In This House



Mark Knopfler - Shangri-La



Nick Drake - Treasury



Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon



Rebecca Pidgeon - Retrospective



Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto - Getz Gilberto



Steely Dan - Gaucho


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Title Info: Allman Brothers - Eat A Peach

Format: Hybrid MCH SACD - DSD

Genre: Pop/Rock

Label: Mercury/Polydor B0002439-36

I have to say right up front that this is one of my all time favorite bands so my thoughts might be a little biased. This album starts off with Ain't Wastin' Time No More and right away I find that the SQ is very good with a big improvement in resolution over the RBCD. The clarity of the cymbals with the vocals well placed in the center channel. Les Brers In A Minor starts off with a very clear presence from the cymbals with some ambiance coming at you from the surrounds. Melissa has Gregg playing acoustic guitar to go with Dickey's haunting lead. Mountain Jam is one of my all time favorite instrumentals where the band just lets it all hang out. Of special note in this jam is the bass playing by Berry Oakley especially his solo. One Way Out and Trouble No More are excellent live tracks that were part of the Fillmore East concerts (as was Mountain Jam). Excellent live tracks that show the intensity that ABB brings to their live performances. The last three tracks are Stand Back, Blue Sky and Little Martha. Stand Back was the last studio recording that Duane made with vocals added by Gregg after his death. Blue Sky is one of the first ABB tracks with Dickey on vocals. Little Martha is just Duane and Dickey playing acoustic guitars. This is the only song solely written by Duane after waking from a dream that he had where he was playing with Jimi Hendrix. This track sounds excellent with added use of the surrounds.

I think this is a great sounding MCH SACD but certainly not reference quality. But thats fine with me as the music is what matters to me especially with this album. Personally I would rather listen to SACD/DVD-A that is a 7 in SQ but has excellent music. To me the Eat A Peach SACD is vast improvement over the RBCD but of course thats not a fair comparison when listening to the MCH layer. All the tracks including the live ones benefit from the added resolution of SACD. The surrounds are more used for ambiance without a real strong presence (Little Martha excluded). The sub fills in nicely showcasing Berry Oakley's bass playing but not to excess. I find that I hear parts of this album that I had not in many years of listening to it.

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/1911

Rating (scale 1 - 10) SQ of the Disc - 8 Music - 9.5

Stereo layer Sound Quality: Not Rated

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Artist/Title Info: Peter Gabriel - Security

Format: SACD - DSD

Genre: Pop/Rock

Label: Geffen 493623 1982

This is Peter Gabriels fourth album and one my favorites especially on SACD. Security is a 2CH SACD with no MCH layer. The only PG SACD that is MCH is Up which is also outstanding on SACD. Those not familiar with Security will probably know the track Shock The Monkey which is the best known song on this album. To avoid further track by track reviews I will say that the SQ of the entire SACD is excellent. I would rate it as reference quality for a 2CH SACD. I have been listening as I type this with Wallflower now playing. The dynamic range is outstanding with PG's vocals front and center. Precussion which is a large part of PG's music is also excellent as well. The width and the depth of the soundstage is also very good.

I would say that the SACD is a huge improvement in overall SQ when compared to the RBCD. Due to PG's SACDs being OOP they are quite hard to come by at affordable prices. I was fortunate to get a copy of the SACD at an excellent price from a fellow AVS member. I highly recommend Security if you can find the SACD at an affordable price.

1. The Rhythm Of The Heat
2. San Jacinto
3. I Have The Touch
4. The Family And The Fishing Net
5. Shock The Monkey
6. Lay Your Hands On Me
7. Wallflower
8. Kiss Of Life

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/856

Rating (scale 1 - 10) Music - 8.5 SQ - 9.5

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Artist/Title Info: Steely Dan - Aja

Format: SHM-SACD - DSD

Genre: Pop/Rock

Label: Universal Japan UIGY-9026

Aja is Steely Dan's best selling album to date released in 1977. It is easily one of my favorite 'Dan albums. I ordered this SHM-SACD with great anticipation even with the cost being close to $60.00. Once it arrived I couldn't wait to play it and kick back with the volume cranked. Unfortunately as I listened to each track I was somewhat disappointed in the SQ. I did extensive comparisons to the 1999 remastered RBCD and found that I preferred the RBCD. What I found was the soundstage was wider (less congested) and the treble has slightly more clarity than the SHM-SACD. The SHM-SACD does have the added resolution being an SACD but not that much more of an improvement over the RBCD. I was ready to sell the SHM-SACD and stick with the RBCD but I decided to hold on to it.

In my opinion unless you really need to have Aja on SACD I would pass on the SHM-SACD and get a copy on RBCD. I have read that the rare Steve Hoffman mastered Aja RBCD is the definitive digital copy to have. I have yet to hear this version but I would like to grab a copy if I ever find one.


1. Black Cow
2. Aja
3. Deacon Blues
4. Peg
5. Home At Last
6. I Got The News
7. Josie

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/6499

Rating (scale 1 - 10) Music - 9.5 SQ - 7

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Good stuff, Bill--keep 'em coming

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Good stuff, Bill--keep 'em coming

Steve,

Thanks. Although I'll keep my day job as I'd starve if I made a run at being a music reviewer. Please join in with some thoughts from your SACD/DVD-A collection. I would appreciate some reviews from others as well so I can empty out my wallet.

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Thanks. Although I'll keep my day job as I'd starve if I made a run at being a music reviewer. Please join in with some thoughts from your SACD/DVD-A collection. I would appreciate some reviews from others as well so I can empty out my wallet.

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I'm collecting some thoughts for a review of Eric Johnson/Ah Via Musicom and need to give it another listen. It's one of my favorite redbooks but a DVD-A review is a little complicated. Hopefully later this week.

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good thread bill. i'll post some in the near future. i have the eat a peach sacd. it's kind of a weird disc with half of it being live and half of it being studio but i agree with you about the sound quality - not the very best but very good. sometimes i just pop in to listen to melissa and little martha just to get a taste.
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I'm collecting some thoughts for a review of Eric Johnson/Ah Via Musicom and need to give it another listen. It's one of my favorite redbooks but a DVD-A review is a little complicated. Hopefully later this week.

Steve,

That sounds like a great DVD-A to review, I'll look forward to that one.

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good thread bill. i'll post some in the near future. i have the eat a peach sacd. it's kind of a weird disc with half of it being live and half of it being studio but i agree with you about the sound quality - not the very best but very good. sometimes i just pop in to listen to melissa and little martha just to get a taste.

Thanks grub. Thats sounds good as it will be good to get different prespectives of the many SACD/DVD-A titles out there.

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I just listened to Nick Drake's Treasury. I'll have to put something together later as its too nice a day here in Maine to stay in any longer.

I'm thinking of adding a section in the reserved post for listings (Amazon etc.) for low cost SACD/DVD-A titles. I thought everyone could post deals they come across and I can add them to the list. I certainly enjoy coming across cheap SACD/DVD-As.

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I just listened to Nick Drake's Treasury. I'll have to put something together later as its too nice a day here in Maine to stay in any longer.

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I like this idea. I brought this up in the "main" SACD thread the other day but got no bites.

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I like this idea. I brought this up in the "main" SACD thread the other day but got no bites.

I'll get the ball rolling later today and place some listings in the reserved post. I think all types of music should be listed, not just pop/rock. I've been looking to try some Living Stereo classical SACDs. I do not own any classical music but the cost of these SACDs is very reasonable and the SQ is supposed to be very good.

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Title Info: Bryan Ferry: Boys And Girls

Format: Hybrid MCH SACD - DSD

Genre: Pop/Rock

Label: EMI 24386688323 (2005)

Rating (scale 1-10) Music-9 / SQ-9.5

MCH layer Sound Quality (Transparency, Detail and Dynamics) is outstanding. As soon as Boys And Girls started it reminded me very much of Avalon. The music, sound quality and the seamless blend with the surrounds is excellent. I did not have this title on RBCD so the songs were all new to me besides Slave To Love. I enjoyed all the tracks especially the title track which is the last one on the disc. I found the title track Boys To Girls to be mesmerizing as I just kicked back in the 'ole Laz-Boy with a big smile on my face. I wish there were more MCH SACDs available with this quality of room filling transparent sound.

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/2730

Stereo layer Sound Quality: Not Rated

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Artist/Title Info: Nick Drake - Treasury

Format: Hybrid MCH SACD - DSD

Genre: Pop/Rock

Label: Island 0249867969

I had never heard of Nick Drake till I saw mention of his SACD Treasury. He was an English singer/song writer that did not have much commercial success till long after he had passed. I bought the Treasury SACD due to the positive reviews and its very low price. I was pleasantly surprised by the very good SQ and music although fairly laidback at times. His vocals are very subdued and at times hard to hear. His voice reminds me of Donovan and his music for some reason reminds me of Neil Young. The MCH layer is very good with some tracks using strings and horns. Several of my favorite tracks are River Man, Hazey Jane I and Poor Boy. I really enjoyed sitting down earlier today to listen to the entire SACD straight through.

I would definitely recommend Treasury as the music and the SQ are quite good. The low cost makes this title well worth getting on SACD.

1. Introduction
2. Hazey Jane II
3. River Man
4. Cello Song
5. Hazey Jane I
6. Pink Moon
7. Poor Boy
8. Magic
9. Place To Be
10. Northern Sky
11. Road
12. Fruit Tree
13. Black Eyed Dog
14. Way To Blue
15. From The Morning
16. Plaisir D'Amour

Rating (scale 1 - 10) Music-8 / SQ-8.5

http://www.sa-cd.net/showtitle/2412

Stereo layer Sound Quality: Not Rated

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FR/FL: Salk SongTowers
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Surrounds: Definitive Technology BP2x
Surround location: On the ceiling (behind the MLP and slightly outside FR/FL speakers)
Sub: Rythmik F12SE (Anti-Mode 8033C sub EQ)

Room: 17' W (which is open on one side), 14' D with 9' high ceilings. No room treatments as of yet.

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this post will be a combination review/comparison.

beck - guero (dvd audio)
sound quality/sonics - 8, surround mix - 9.5


beck - sea change (dvd audio)
sound quality/sonics - 9.5, surround mix - 9.5


i find myself listening to the guero disc a lot lately. sea change gets a lot of cyber-ink - for good reason. it sounds awesome. very clear and dynamic with very cool use of the surrounds. very robust use of the .1 channel as well. as great as sea change sounds, i defintely listen to guero more. i'm sure it has a lot to do with the overall tone of the disc. guero is very fun and entertaining. great use of the surrounds. it's an absolute blast to listen to. beck is very innovative and it really shows on guero. he's known for all the varied sounds he uses. but he has some very cool vocal arrangements as well. guero's sonics aren't up to sea change's standards. but the dynamics are great and subwoofer is fantastic. especially on broken drum, farewell ride and emergency exit. if you have a decent sub, you will have a hard time clearing the smile off of your face. there are only a few discs that i play start to finish everytime i listen. this is one of those. highly recommended.
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this post will be a combination review/comparison.

beck - guero (dvd audio)
sound quality/sonics - 8, surround mix - 9.5


beck - sea change (dvd audio)
sound quality/sonics - 9.5, surround mix - 9.5


i find myself listening to the guero disc a lot lately. sea change gets a lot of cyber-ink - for good reason. it sounds awesome. very clear and dynamic with very cool use of the surrounds. very robust use of the .1 channel as well. as great as sea change sounds, i defintely listen to guero more. i'm sure it has a lot to do with the overall tone of the disc. guero is very fun and entertaining. great use of the surrounds. it's an absolute blast to listen to. beck is very innovative and it really shows on guero. he's known for all the varied sounds he uses. but he has some very cool vocal arrangements as well. guero's sonics aren't up to sea change's standards. but the dynamics are great and subwoofer is fantastic. especially on broken drum, farewell ride and emergency exit. if you have a decent sub, you will have a hard time clearing the smile off of your face. there are only a few discs that i play start to finish everytime i listen. this is one of those. highly recommended.

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Thanks for the excellent review. I have Sea Change on SACD and now I'll be on the lookout for the Guero DVD-A.

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Bill, thnx for the detailed Aja review. It is disappointing, to say the least, for us SD fans. As a consolation I will post a review of my SD DVD-A collection. I like the concept of this thread, much more useful info than the "purchases" thread.

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Bill, thnx for the detailed Aja review. It is disappointing, to say the least, for us SD fans. As a consolation I will post a review of my SD DVD-A collection. I like the concept of this thread, much more useful info than the "purchases" thread.

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It was my pleasure. I thought it would be good to give my thoughts on Aja. The biggest reason being the cost so others would have an idea of what to expect. But as with audio components it always best to personally hear a specific component or piece of music. Some over at the Steve Hoffman forum find the Aja SHM-SACD sounds fine but just as many do not care for it. Its good to have prespective thoughts on both sides.

I only have two SHM-SACDs with the other being Dire Straits S/T album. I feel that Dire Straits is a much better sounding SHM-SACD. I have Who's Next coming as that SHM-SACD is also supposed to have very good SQ. I almost bought Dire Straits Love Over Gold but the reviews over at the SH Forum have been mixed as with Aja. I just think $50.00+ for a single 2CH SACD is a little steep especially if the SQ is questionable.

I look forward to your reviews on the Steely Dan DVD-As as I was listening to Everything Must Go yesterday. It would be awesome if there was a MCH SACD version of Aja released. Something with the SQ of Gaucho would be very nice. If you find any SACD/DVD-A bargains please post them and I'll add them to the #2 post. I went to buy the Nightfly Trilogy from Bullmoose and they were sold out. I was able to get a mint copy used for about the same price. I waited too long to buy that one but I'm glad you were able to get a copy from them.

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This is a 3 for 1 combo review but I invite anyone who would like to review any of these in more detail to do so.
Artist: Steely Dan
Titles: Gaucho, Everything Must Go, Two Against Nature*
Label/Yr: Giant 2000 (TAN) MCA 2004 (Gaucho) Reprise 2006 (EMG)
Format: DVD-A, 5.1 96/24 (and 2.0 96/24) **
Rating Scale: 1 – 10 Ascending
Recording: 10
Surround Mix: 10
Content: 10 Goucho, others mebbe 9.5
Style: funk/r&b/jazz/rock fusion
Review: Full disclosure: I am a SD fan, and have enjoyed "Aja"*** as one of my RBCD demo discs for many years. That being said, I think any hip MC music enthusiast should give at least one of these 3 DVDA discs a listen on a good MC music system. Each is a finely-crafted masterwork album by top-notch professionals working long and hard on a labor of love. Donald and Walter are involved, no immersed, in every phase of production and are the core of SD. They had the luxury of spending months on an album and even selecting a particular artist for a particular track. The musical style is unmistakably and characteristically SD and, as I said, that ain't exactly hard for me to listen to. On the other hand, my wife will walk right out of the room if I crank up SD. AFAIK all these discs are available at reasonable prices and of these, I'd say Gaucho is my fav, because of the songs themselves. For ex., Hey Nineteen is a great demo selection, but it's hard to resist Babylon Sisters and Time Out of Mind as long as the disc is spinning.

IMO this is how modern music should be done and the result is a state-of-the-art studio MC mix. The lead vocals are from the CC and the main instruments are arrayed across a broad front soundstage with great tonal quality, imaging and detail. Surrounds are used to create precise phantom images along the sides. Back-up vocals, horn section, percussion fills, etc. are arrayed to good effect resulting in a surround mix which is very enjoyable. Speakers simply disappear; it is as though one is standing at the conductor's podium with musicians arrayed slightly more than 180 degrees to the front from L to R. The dynamics are excellent. The kick drum and electric bass set the standard for tight and punchy right up front. ****
NOTE: the 2 channel mix is very fine stereo with excellent SQ but missing the LFE and that delicious bass. (More disclosure: I played electric and acoustic guitar and electric bass professionally for many years).

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*Two Against Nature is available as a very affordable DVD of a live studio session, which SD fans will enjoy.

**Gaucho is also avail in SACD, also with exc SQ, per Bill's post below

***There is a DVD "Aja" in the series Classic Albums by Eagle Rock which is inexpensive and offers a glimpse into behind-the-scenes production, selection of players, writing, interviews etc., of interest to fans. For me, it's cool to hear 3 different accomplished guitarists' solo takes on the same song. Note it does not include full cuts off the Aja album.

****Please note that I commonly tune the LFE settings for SACD and DVDA as described in this post.
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SoM,

Great reviews! I also agree that any Steely Dan fan should have these DVD-As. Or in the case of Gaucho the SACD which also sounds excellent. I will add your reviews to the other linked reviews.

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Man love what you did with place Bill, I'll see if I can write a review on Flaming Lips DVD-a..

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Man love what you did with place Bill, I'll see if I can write a review on Flaming Lips DVD-a..

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Thanks Dan. I've never heard any music from the Flaming Lips so that would great. If you get a chance maybe some thoughts on Porcupine Tree DVD-As as well. I have a PM coming your way.

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soundofmind - thanks for the steely dan reviews. i have gaucho and it's hard to overstate how good it is. i'm a big dan fan as well.

the two against nature dvd-a is on my wish list. but it looks like i may have to fork over half a c-note for it. i have the two against nature concert dvd in dts 5.1 and it's great. i watch it a lot.
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Thanks Dan. I've never heard any music from the Flaming Lips so that would great. If you get a chance maybe some thoughts on Porcupine Tree DVD-As as well. I have a PM coming your way.

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Sure thing, will do as I would need to take another listen to PT, but PT needs to be listen LOUD with no one around

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OH SH!t was there just a tremor in NYC? or my music too damn load..Lol



Well it's been an interesting day, with some unusual seismic activity here on the east coast sorry about the above comment. I was in the middle of hearing Flaming Lips At War With the Mystics which was re-realest sometime in 2006 Hi Rez 5.1 surround in 24 bit 88.2khz and in 2.0 Stereo 24/88Khz there are some video in Dolby Digital but I wouldn't get into those as I didn't watch..

I'm not too familiar with this album as much as I thought, it was in my old apartment where I lived with a few room mates, and we would listen to it from time to time.
It's a bit different from Yoshimi Battle the Pink Robot which is my favorite Flaming Lips Work, they're very versatile band from their early Punk, psychedelic to some mainstream success mega hit She Don't use Jelly A little side note, these guys toured with Beck during the Sea change, and played as his band as well I only wish I've had seen Beck and Flaming Lips doing those songs, as I heard but must have been in a fog when they hit NYC

From the first track all I can think these guys don't take themselves too serious and and the Lead singer Wayne Coyne raspy falsetto voice is an indication of that. There is lots of guitar distortion but it's deliberately done through the album.I'll skim through some of the songs, and skip a few as this is not a true 5.1 review per say.

Track#1 The Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Song is such a playful song that makes just want to dance and eat some Pringles, I think it was use in one of those commercials, but not one hundred percent sure of that. Great us of the rears as it's held up a nice sonic bubble.

Track#3 The Sound of Failure/it's Dark....is it Alway this Dark?? sounded a bit messy to me, as it collapse a bit and not as tight as the first few song in the surround speakers.

Track#4 My Cosmic Autumn Rebellion Reminded me of one of the songs from Yoshimi album.Nice and open track, and rich sounding and lots of cacophony distortion but it didn't not bothered me at all.

Track#5 Vein of Stars immediately remained me of a Death Cab for Cuttie leaving me feeling good, such a pretty song. You folks with great sounding tweeters will appreciate the highs in this song right away..

Track#6 The Wizard Turns On God bless groups like this, that take these huge risk, I can only imagine what goes on in these Corporate listening sessions

Track#10 W.A.N.D Love this track with it's bad ass riffs , I can't help thinking this is such an American song, great for road trips..Great power mix, just great rocking song.

Track#11 Pompeii Am Gotterdammerung This is one of the tracking that for some reason plays allot in my Ipod when in shuffle, but with it Doctor Who Synth, (the series from the 70's) guild tune, it build up to a nice crescendo. It's a great track, with an awesome sound mix, from front to back.

Hm the last track I was a bit overwhelmed with the natural occurrence here I'll give it a second listen and edit some of the above.

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Tremor!




Yeah I thought it was my great system that had my head dizzying swaying back and forth.


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Elton John...

Elton John (Self Titled)
Tumbleweed Connection
Madman Across The Water

These are Elton John's early work, I think all from 1970-1971. These do sound fantastic and were especially remixed as part of a series with some of his later work. If you are like me, you became sick and tired of his popular hits that were played over and over on the radio and still are. He had some other great tunes on these that you probably haven't heard. I prefer his early work, I do not own much (actually any) of his that came out past 1975.

For the most part, on most songs the center channel contains only Elton's voice (and I mean only his voice...nothing else, you can hear his breathing between some of the lines and words really well). They completely tore the masters apart and made a special surround sound mix...all of the speakers play something different with lots of seperation. Some particular songs, such as "Take Me To The Pilot" on the self-titled contain some fine bass that will rock your subwoofer.

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Dan and Jon thanks for the reviews. I have linked them to the review post.

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