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Why no surround? I wouldn't worry about the dialnorm though, you just raise the MV by 4db, and presto. Better yet choose the uncompressed PCM as I would since I don't bother with those redundant tracks. YMMV.
Surround on these HFPAs is certainly hit and miss. COTC gets the same treatment as Breakfast In America, no 5.1. Interesting that SA-CD.net is still showing Black Sabbath's "13" on BD has a 5.1 track, when according to disappointed buyers it does not.
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Supertramp - Breakfast In America

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2Ch PCM stream encoded at 96kHz/24-bit
2Ch DTS-HD MA stream encoded at 96kHz/24-bit
2Ch Dolby TrueHD stream encoded at 96kHz/16-bit!

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As you can see below, the size of video stream is much smaller (percentage-wise) than previous HFPA disc's. But it's still much bigger than it needs to be!

When the audio and video streams are 'de-muxed' from within the .m2ts container (which has a large over-head), this is what you see: -





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Whatever the stream size is, I'm not crazy about COTC. I guess I'm used to the built in subwoofer of the MFSL vinyl. This sounds okay but there is something lacking IMO. I've listened a couple of times but still can't put my finger on it. Maybe the CD is the way to go on this one. Or maybe I need to break out the single malt!
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Seems like our friends over at Universal Music have got some new HFPA releases coming. And are now offering 'HD Downloads': -

http://store.universalmusic.com/udis...Blu-Ray-Audio/


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Seems like our friends over at Universal Music have got some new HFPA releases coming. And are now offering 'HD Downloads': -

http://store.universalmusic.com/udis...Blu-Ray-Audio/


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Just an FYI: the best prices I've seen for these are usually on amazon through marketplace sellers.

I have Beck Sea Change, Who's Quadrophenia (both very good) and Marley's Legend (outstanding). I only go for these for a good surround mix; imo they are way over-priced for the stereo only versions.

I think the 5.1's are also a bit over-priced, considering how much more you get from many other BR-A's, which includes extras, sometimes quite a bit of them- and have the added expense of creating the 5.1 mix, whereas these HFPA's so far have only offered existing 5.1 mixes. But for around $20, they're still a good deal for a good 5.1 mix.
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Anyone have Rush's A Farewell To Kings on HFPA and wouldn't mind giving their impressions? Thanks....
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I'd really like to get the Black Sabbath '13 HFPA but I understand the Blu-Ray is just as brick walled as the CD.

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Anyone have Rush's A Farewell To Kings on HFPA and wouldn't mind giving their impressions? Thanks....
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Both the Blu-ray and the DVD-A appear to be the same. ie: Mixed by Richard Chycki at Mixland, Ontario. Mastered by Andy VanDette at Materdisk, NY. And supervised by Jeff Fura.


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Both the Blu-ray and the DVD-A appear to be the same. ie: Mixed by Richard Chycki at Mixland, Ontario. Mastered by Andy VanDette at Materdisk, NY. And supervised by Jeff Fura.


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You might want to look here:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...INGS-DVD-A-BDA

qq is always a great reference to use for potential purchases.
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You might want to look here:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...INGS-DVD-A-BDA

qq is always a great reference to use for potential purchases.
Thanks Jim, great info there! I really need to get off my duff and join up
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Thanks Jim, great info there! I really need to get off my duff and join up
Avec plaiseur, mon ami (forgive my spelling, it's been a while since French in college and I never kept after it after the courses).

FWIW, you don't need to join to check out the polls or the threads, just if you wanna post. But that community is by far the friendliest online community I've ever been part of- and the most knowledgeable in the area of all things multi-channel. And the moderator Jon Urban is a total class act, devoted to keeping it ad-free, w/o ever soliciting or accepting donations. And we get a few industry types who stop by to answer questions from time to time, such as the surround king himself, Steven Wilson. Andy Jackson, who did the surround mixes for Division Bell and Endless River- as well as his own recent solo album, has been a regular there for a while. So come join the fun- we'd love to have you.
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I actually have Rush - Farewell to Kings on DVD-A. I was hoping that the Blu-ray might have brought us something different. But it doesn't

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Thanks SMD, to you and Jim. That seems to be the consensus on this one, don't think I'll pull the trigger at $30 CDN. I'm retiring later this year, and liquid assets for music purchases won't be quite what it has been. So, I'll find myself relying more on sites like this for good info. Another I may forgo is the new AF SACD of the Doors, at $40 up here it's something I just can't bring myself to buy.
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I am new to this thread but I am a HRA audio fan having built up a collection of both SACD and DVD-A.

Looking a the Universal site I was wondering what would be the difference in AQ between this disc

http://store.universalmusic.com/udis...io/36N904FD000

and this one

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-8377-di...brid-sacd.aspx

a title I own and which sounds great.

My main issue with DVD-A (not so much with SACD) is that it's hard to actually to play a disc without having the monitor on so you can see the navigation, which for me is the projector.

I hope Pure Audio fixes that so that is plays just like a CD does.
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I am new to this thread but I am a HRA audio fan having built up a collection of both SACD and DVD-A.

Looking a the Universal site I was wondering what would be the difference in AQ between this disc

http://store.universalmusic.com/udis...io/36N904FD000

and this one

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-8377-di...brid-sacd.aspx

a title I own and which sounds great.

My main issue with DVD-A (not so much with SACD) is that it's hard to actually to play a disc without having the monitor on so you can see the navigation, which for me is the projector.

I hope Pure Audio fixes that so that is plays just like a CD does.


You can easily rip the audio bitperfect from a DVD-Audio disk to computer files. That may make it a little more convenient for you.
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You can easily rip the audio bitperfect from a DVD-Audio disk to computer files. That may make it a little more convenient for you.
Problem is I can rip the disk to say multi-channel FLAC and I have a Popcorn Hour media player which can play those files, I still need to have a monitor (or in this case the projector) on to be able to navigate the menus. I would much prefer to be able to pop in a disk and press play and enjoy my music with no hassle.
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My general feeling is that we haven't yet taken advantage of the bandwidth available using a sampling rate of 96 kHz so why bother quadrupling the file size of a soundfile that sounds the same…or worse. I decided to take a look at some DXD files and see what I could see.

I was astounded at what I saw. Knowing that these were PCM files, I would have expected to see a rich area of amplitude in the 20-20 kHz range with some additional sound (the upper most partials) drifting past 25kHz to around 40-50 kHz. Anything higher than that would be visually and aurally invisible.
We will never take advantage of the bandwith available from even a 96kHz sampling rate because any sound above 20kHz (more 16 or 17kHz for most of us) is aurally invisible to humans. To perfectly encode that you need a 40kHz sampling rate, a significantly higher sampling rate is completely unnecessary. Its another 'audiophile' marketing deception designed to separate you from your cash, just like the directional, shielded, longitudinal grain OFC speaker cable you paid thousands for.

Seriously, does nobody round here understand the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquis...original_proof
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Problem is I can rip the disk to say multi-channel FLAC and I have a Popcorn Hour media player which can play those files, I still need to have a monitor (or in this case the projector) on to be able to navigate the menus. I would much prefer to be able to pop in a disk and press play and enjoy my music with no hassle.
This is one more reason I like my Oppo BDP103, with the Android or IOS app you can actually see all the content it can stream on your phone or tablet so one wouldn't need a TV or monitor. This was the main reason I started to rip my DVD-As and Blu-Rays as well. SACD's are the only disc format I actually spin since I have no means to rip them.

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We will never take advantage of the bandwith available from even a 96kHz sampling rate because any sound above 20kHz (more 16 or 17kHz for most of us) is aurally invisible to humans. To perfectly encode that you need a 40kHz sampling rate, a significantly higher sampling rate is completely unnecessary. Its another 'audiophile' marketing deception designed to separate you from your cash, just like the directional, shielded, longitudinal grain OFC speaker cable you paid thousands for.

Seriously, does nobody round here understand the Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquis...original_proof
Some of us do. I personally support HRA mostly because of surround, and a better chance of getting products that weren't hampered by post production. Of course there is no guarantee of that, as we all experienced it one way or another. There is nothing wrong to use 24/96 for recording and mixing, but for consumer playback they are overkill for sure. I won't even address those outrageous DSD 128/256 or DXD files as they are a complete rip offs.

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This is one more reason I like my Oppo BDP103, with the Android or IOS app you can actually see all the content it can stream on your phone or tablet so one wouldn't need a TV or monitor. This was the main reason I started to rip my DVD-As and Blu-Rays as well. SACD's are the only disc format I actually spin since I have no means to rip them.
Alas I have a BDP-80 so no Android support.

I have seen rips of SACD's around but I think it requires a modd'ed PS3 to do so it's not something easily achieved.
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Alas I have a BDP-80 so no Android support.

I have seen rips of SACD's around but I think it requires a modd'ed PS3 to do so it's not something easily achieved.
Yes you are correct. DVD-A's are probably the easiest to rip as almost all computers nowadays have a dvd drive. Blu ray discs are fairly easy too as long as you have a blu ray drive or a portable player, and that's more than likely the reason why Sony never got around to releasing their first batch of titles that they advertised over a year ago. It's also the reason I continue to buy blu ray audio. I can rip the disc and have a very good two channel copy for my portable hi rez player.
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Some of us do. I personally support HRA mostly because of surround, and a better chance of getting products that weren't hampered by post production. Of course there is no guarantee of that, as we all experienced it one way or another. There is nothing wrong to use 24/96 for recording and mixing, but for consumer playback they are overkill for sure. I won't even address those outrageous DSD 128/256 or DXD files as they are a complete rip offs.
Fair enough, I fully support those people who are encouraging the use of these formats because of extra channels, less post-production mess (especially dynamic compression) and anything else that could (even conceivably) increase perceived sound quality.

But it annoys me no end when people do it just for the bigger numbers, and even more so when they understand what the numbers mean but still peddle the idea that anything above a 48KHz sample rate will make any perceived difference for consumer playback. It won't. If you think otherwise you are wrong, and you need to read up on the link in my previous post.

For recording/mixing purposes higher sample rates might be somewhat helpful, but I don't know enough about professional audio mixing to comment with any authority.
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This is one more reason I like my Oppo BDP103, with the Android or IOS app you can actually see all the content it can stream on your phone or tablet so one wouldn't need a TV or monitor. This was the main reason I started to rip my DVD-As and Blu-Rays as well. SACD's are the only disc format I actually spin since I have no means to rip them.
Perhaps there are people out there that have the means to rip SACDs for you...
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