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I was perusing Amazon, and came across a new 2 CD box set that'll be coming out for Benefit that will also include a DVD-A with the original album in 5.1. Coming out on October 29th.

Yeah! One of my favorite Tull albums of all time.
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Not a DVD-A, a DVD.

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Not a DVD-A, a DVD.

DVD-A if its the collectors edition based on this:

http://media.rhino.com/press-release/benefit-collectors-edition
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^ Where are you seeing DVD-A on that Rhino site?
It says:
DVD (Audio Only)
DTS & Dolby Digital 5.1 & stereo versions of the following:

That's a dvd disc with DTS and Dolby.

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The Rhino listing does say "2-CD/DVD-Audio And Digital Versions Will Be Available On October 29". But later in the product listing it says "DVD (Audio Only) DTS & Dolby Digital 5.1 & stereo versions". So maybe that is where the confusion is. Maybe the listing should read "DVD (Audio Only) and not "DVD-Audio". Do all DVD-A discs have Hi-Res content?

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Good synopsis of DVD-Audio formats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Audio If the new discs contain DTS or DD, then it's unlikely the format is DVD-Audio unless the DTS (maybe) or DD is in the video that can contained on the disc. Bummer, but lets wait and see.

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I guess in my excitement in seeing the 5.1 treatment on Amazon, I was a bit tricked on the wording they used. When they list what is on the DVD, they used the term DVD Audio, Not DVD-A. Then, you get to the text and they say:

"The audio-only DVD, which is available exclusively with this version, is packed with 58 tracks, including the album and bonus tracks in 5.1 surround sound."

So... I would say most likely that this is coming with a DVD with DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1.

But... it's going in my "must buy" lists.
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The band's website confirms that the DVD is audio-only, not a true DVD-A disc, with Dolby and DTS surround, and 96/24 stereo tracks. More at http://jethrotull.com/ .

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I guess in my excitement in seeing the 5.1 treatment on Amazon, I was a bit tricked on the wording they used. When they list what is on the DVD, they used the term DVD Audio, Not DVD-A. Then, you get to the text and they say:

"The audio-only DVD, which is available exclusively with this version, is packed with 58 tracks, including the album and bonus tracks in 5.1 surround sound."

So... I would say most likely that this is coming with a DVD with DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1.

But... it's going in my "must buy" lists.

It can be confusing. DVD-A and DVD Audio (or DVD-Audio) are the same. However, not to be confused with DVD+audio which is another format.

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The band's website confirms that the DVD is audio-only, not a true DVD-A disc, with Dolby and DTS surround, and 96/24 stereo tracks. More at http://jethrotull.com/ .

Cool. I'd get the release just for the new remastered CD. 2-ch 24/96 PCM is a bonus!

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It can be confusing. DVD-A and DVD Audio (or DVD-Audio) are the same. However, not to be confused with DVD+audio which is another format.

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There is no format identified as DVD Audio. DVD-Audio (commonly abbreviated as DVD-A) are the correct names.

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I saw the news re: Benefit only being DVD and not DVD-A a couple weeks ago on QQ.
Very disappointing. I thought after EMI got bought things would change but apparently not. Crap.

To be technically correct DVD-A entails several formats\codecs the important one being MLP.

 

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Another missed opportunity for EMI. That said, of the curent Steven Wilson releases this is the one that I look forward to the most. Benefit is a classic.
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I have TAAB and TAAB 2 and both sound excellent in dts...I applaud Jethro Tull for releasing their albums in a quality 5.1 sound plus not charging an arm and a leg for them...I hope Zeppelin follows Tull's lead in regards to price when they remaster their albums this next year...hopefully those will include 5.1 and hopefully blu ray audio...just no $125 releases...thanks Pink floyd

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I have TAAB and TAAB 2 and both sound excellent in dts...I applaud Jethro Tull for releasing their albums in a quality 5.1 sound plus not charging an arm and a leg for them...I hope Zeppelin follows Tull's lead in regards to price when they remaster their albums this next year...hopefully those will include 5.1 and hopefully blu ray audio...just no $125 releases...thanks Pink floyd
I guess you never saw the Aqualung package which was the only way to get the blu ray, and was priced accordingly, but you're right Floyd or at least their studio should get the lion's share of the blame for starting that trend.
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The Aqualung package was worth it for me because of the included BD, and I would have bit my lip and shelled out for similar packages of TAAB, Benefit, Stand Up and Passion Play (but not for TAAB2 smile.gif). Like I said, a missed opportunity by EMI. Of course, they could also have done the decent thing and released stand-alone DVD-A or BD for all of these, but we are talking about the (evil corporate) machine here.
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Arrived yesterday. Hopefully will get a chance tonight to listen.

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I listened to my copy of benefit earlier this week (Monday night?). Good stuff. I'd never heard the album before, so listening to the surround mix was distracted by listening to the music for the first time.

Frankly, the guitar parts on Benefit seem to add something to the sound, a bit more rock'n'roll, compared to TAAB. I must admit I cannot compare easily to Aqualung - it's been years/decades since I listened to that album (I think I have it on cassette), and I'm holding out for the 5.1 mix DVD/BD single-disk release (I simply cannot justify the price for the Collector's edition).

If you are even a mild Tull fan and like surround music, I think you'll like Benefit.

On a side note, I got into that prog groove after listening to Benefit, and threw on Quatermass right afterwards. My first listen of this recent 5.1 release about a month ago did not have much impact upon me, and I thought maybe it was just more "busy 70s prog". But the second listen changed my mind. More good stuff.

Sometimes you have to be in the mood, I guess...

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Listening to the DVD now in DTS. It's been a little while since I Audyssey but I think my speakers are still calibrated correctly. It seems the surrounds in the mix are much louder then the fronts.

Edit - I re calibrated and the result is the same. No big deal, I just thought it unusual.
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Listening to the DVD now in DTS. It's been a little while since I Audyssey but I think my speakers are still calibrated correctly. It seems the surrounds in the mix are much louder then the fronts.

Edit - I re calibrated and the result is the same. No big deal, I just thought it unusual.

Ya know, I noticed that too, but assumed it was intentional, representing the elements that had more presence in the original 2-ch mix. It was the first time in a long time where I said "hey, those are really active surround channels!"

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Great clarity on first listen. But the surround volume is oddly loud. It is almost like the front and the rears were reversed - just like what Peter Mew has previously mewtilated before on other releases, but he's retired I think.

After several listens the aggressive rears don't matter any more and I'm loving the surround DTS mix. Another 10 by Steven Wilson!

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We really have to thank Steven Wilson for this. The word was that he pushed Ian Anderson into doing it and from reading the liner notes, it's probably true. I don't think I've ever seen a musician take potshots of his own album in the liner notes of his own album. But IA is more than a little eccentric.

And I don't care what IA thinks. I love Benefit and SW has done an stellar job on this. I hope Nonsuch and CTTE are just as good.
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It IS really beautiful. Everything he touches turns to gold. It is great fun (again) to be a prog rock fan. Thanks, Steven, and of course the Tull guys smile.gif!
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Really like the way Mr. Wilson handled this mix. Very immersive.
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Finally found some time this weekend to hear this in 5.1. One of the things I had to do was turn the volume down on my center channel since the vocals were overly dominant at first. This is due to the fact that my system is mainly setup for TV and Movie viewing, so I had my center boosted for enhancing the vocals in movies and TV. Once I brought the center down to a reasonable level, the vocals were now better balanced.

In my opinion, this is a superb 5.1 experience. I've always thought the Benefit was one of Jethro Tull's finest albums and knew that this was an album just begging for a 5.1 treatment. I was not disappointed in the least in hearing how Steve Wilson handled the staging of the sound.
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