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post #31 of 49 Old 02-03-2014, 03:43 PM
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I got BIA as well from Amazon.ca, I was looking at Night Train but it's sold by Amazon through a third party (now I have to pay shipping etc). I got Sixteen Sunsets from Amazon here as well as John Lennon's "Imagine". You might check out your local HMV, they do carry them, though you may have to order what you want. I got Stevie Wonder's "Songs In The Key Of Life" from a local HMV (in stock). But the short answer is no, not sure why the slow roll out. I don't think it's just Canada. I wanted Crime Of The Century as well but that got pulled before it got issued a while back. Perhaps there's quality issues, the ones I have have been hit and miss for audio quality. I like the concept of pure audio blu-ray, but the delivery has been less than stellar to date.


Thanks for the feedback. When I asked HMV about the Breakfast in America Pure Audio disk before Christmas, the guy looked at me like I had a third eye. The guy went away and came back after 10 minutes and said they could order it but it may take a while. It didn't look promising so I went the Amazon.ca route. Its good to hear though that HMV is attempting to bring in some of them. By the way where did HMV keep the Stevie Wonder disk,,,with the CD's or blu ray concert discs?

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I've never listened to the DVDs only the SACDs. The DVDs are not DVD-As and are not in a lossless audio format. So I would think that the SQ of the SACDs would be somewhat better than the DVDs.

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True. The SACD's are generally considered to be sonically superior. But that's still not saying much.
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True. The SACD's are generally considered to be sonically superior. But that's still not saying much.

I doubt there would be much in it if they came from the same masters. These Genesis discs SACD/DVD sets are not amongst the best sound quality anyway. Still I should have ripped my Genesis SACDs when I had my PS3 with SACD drive. Too late now, although I did do my last purchase: Selling England by the Pound. I must do a DR analysis...)

Lots of people do generally regard SACD as a superior format but an SACD release does not guarantee best audio. The mastering is the critical stage. Some recent remastered discs (both SACDs and HFPA Blu-rays) are a downgrade on past releases due to poor mastering selections.
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I've never listened to the DVDs only the SACDs. The DVDs are not DVD-As and are not in a lossless audio format. So I would think that the SQ of the SACDs would be somewhat better than the DVDs.

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I remember I compared a couple discs when I first bought them a 2 or 3 years back and thought there wasn't much between them. However, as I discovered later, I was playing my SACDs via my Oppo 95 analogue outs and all other digital via HDMI, both ultimately to an Arcam AVR600 driving B&W 802Ds and Focal rears. The digital signals were being Room EQ'ed. Which meant it wasn't an equal shoot out. Room EQ definitely improves the sound in my large room of 6.5 x 6.5m with two subs being bass managed too. (Tested with same blu-ray audio on analog and HDMI outs with same amp etc later)
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I've never listened to the DVDs only the SACDs. The DVDs are not DVD-As and are not in a lossless audio format. So I would think that the SQ of the SACDs would be somewhat better than the DVDs.

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I picked up A trick of the Tail from a bargain bin in Barnes and Noble that is a two disc set, CD and DVD and the DVD is listed as 5.1 DVD Audio. I know there is confusion a lot of time with DVD Audio. I haven't listened to it yet. Is it just 5.1 surround sound that's not lossless or the real deal. I have to admit I don't know much about the Genesis remasters. One reason I picked this disc up was because it was cheap and if I was getting beat I wasn't getting beat for much money.
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I picked up A trick of the Tail from a bargain bin in Barnes and Noble that is a two disc set, CD and DVD and the DVD is listed as 5.1 DVD Audio. I know there is confusion a lot of time with DVD Audio. I haven't listened to it yet. Is it just 5.1 surround sound that's not lossless or the real deal. I have to admit I don't know much about the Genesis remasters. One reason I picked this disc up was because it was cheap and if I was getting beat I wasn't getting beat for much money.

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It might be listed as "DVD-Audio" due to lack of video material although I thought the Genesis CD/DVD releases had video on them. But either way the DVDs are not actual DVD-As and only have lossy DD or DTS IIRC. If the set was cheap then it is well worth it IMO.

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It might be listed as "DVD-Audio" due to lack of video material although I thought the Genesis CD/DVD releases had video on them. But either way the DVDs are not actual DVD-As and only have lossy DD or DTS IIRC. If the set was cheap then it is well worth it IMO.

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Thanks Bill. Yes there is video on the DVD. I thought this was similar to the Nightfly Trilogy in that it was a step up from stereo with the 5.1 mix but not quite hi rez, hopefully I can get a chance to give it a spin this weekend in between snow storms.
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I picked up A trick of the Tail from a bargain bin in Barnes and Noble that is a two disc set, CD and DVD and the DVD is listed as 5.1 DVD Audio. I know there is confusion a lot of time with DVD Audio. I haven't listened to it yet. Is it just 5.1 surround sound that's not lossless or the real deal. I have to admit I don't know much about the Genesis remasters. One reason I picked this disc up was because it was cheap and if I was getting beat I wasn't getting beat for much money.

The DVDs do contain video and contain DTS 96/24 which can sound damn good with the right material (e.g Queen night at the Opera)

You may be interested in this poll: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/poll.php?pollid=631&do=showresults

And this info on Dynamic Range showing the SACD versions (2007 remasters) have worse DR compared to other releases listed: http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=Genesis+&search_album=Trick
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I'm not holding out too much hope for SEBTP release. It will be interesting to see hoe the master compares to these previous releases for DR:

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=Genesis&search_album=Selling
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I just ordered mine from BS, $32 +change, ouch. Anyway have to have the surround version of this album. I have several of the SACD's from the Collins era and posted my impressions of them here at the time.

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Music Direct is selling the SACD/PAL DVD of this on closeout if anyone wants to compare it to the HFPA.


http://www.musicdirect.com/p-8392-genesis-selling-england-by-the-pound-import-hybrid-sacd-43-dvd.aspx
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Bump for new updates.

I have all the Peter Gabriel era discs on 70's and early 80's vinyl, and although I always had a quality TT and cartridge (properly set up as well), I lived in a dusty part of California so they're pretty noisy.

I'd love to see someone go back and give these masterpieces the treatment they deserve, before the original tapes are dust.

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The problem is that in that era, the oil shortage was making record companies recycle vinyl. The records from that era are gritty because the grit is melted into the plastic from the old records they melted down to make it.
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Try to find the '80's Japanese vinyl. Audiophile quality, and all my copies are still noise free.
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The problem is that in that era, the oil shortage was making record companies recycle vinyl. The records from that era are gritty because the grit is melted into the plastic from the old records they melted down to make it.
I worked in a record store in 79 - 81 and it was shocking how bad the mass produced stuff was. I was buying all the Mobile Fidelity and Nautilus I could afford, but a standard WEA or Columbia release was usually thin and warped.

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Try to find the '80's Japanese vinyl. Audiophile quality, and all my copies are still noise free.
I've got an UK import of Lamb (from the used bin at work...someone had become a born again Christian and unloaded all their devil music), and Japanese version of Nursey Crime, but Trick and Foxtrot are pretty bad.

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I've got an UK import of Lamb (from the used bin at work...someone had become a born again Christian and unloaded all their devil music), and Japanese version of Nursey Crime, but Trick and Foxtrot are pretty bad.

Are you talking about the quality of the recording or was the vinyl beat up?
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Are you talking about the quality of the recording or was the vinyl beat up?
The quality of the vinyl.

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The quality of the vinyl.

It always amazes me how people treat audiophile media when I go to the used record store. I've seen more used MFSL CD's and SACD's as well as some audiophile vinyl that could have been sold for a small fortune if it was taken care of. The worst is the condition of MFSL UHQR's. For something that cost $50 back in the 80's and commands $200 to over $1000 today, I've seen so much beat up crap that it boggles the mind. What did people go this stuff over the years?
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