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John Entwistle's bass is a little weak.
Yes, this a weakness on an otherwise great release. I played it again today and found myself straining to Ent's brilliant bass runs. I may need to boost the sub for this one.

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Yes, this a weakness for an otherwise great release. I played it again today and found myself straining to Ent's brilliant bass runs. I may need to boost the sub for this one.
While using a sub when playing/watching movies may add to movie experience, I'm not convinced that a sub is good for music.

Indeed, not so long ago I tried disconnecting my sub and reconfigured my amplifier to pass bass to all my 'matching' full range speakers. And I have to say I prefer listening to surround sound music this way.

However, I'm now in a bit of a quandary. Although I prefer the sound, I don't like how everything looks in my room - and neither does 'she who must be obeyed'... So I have some decisions to make

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Yes, this a weakness for an otherwise great release. I played it again today and found myself straining to Ent's brilliant bass runs. I may need to boost the sub for this one.
I tried boosting the level for my two subs a bit when playing the Quad Blu-ray but it didn't make Entwistle's bass stand out as it should.

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While using a sub when playing/watching movies may add to movie experience, I'm not convinced that a sub is good for music.

Indeed, not so long ago I tried disconnecting my sub and reconfigured my amplifier to pass bass to all my 'matching' full range speakers. And I have to say I prefer listening to surround sound music this way.

However, I'm now in a bit of a quandary. Although I prefer the sound, I don't like how everything looks in my room - and neither does 'she who must be obeyed'... So I have some decisions to make
I understand how you prefer not using your sub for music and running all your speakers full range. But will this bring out Entwistle's bass playing? I'm under the assumption that if the bass is mixed low into the mix that it won't make any difference. But I haven't tried what you have done.

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I understand how you prefer not using your sub for music and running all your speakers full range. But will this bring out Entwistle's bass playing? I'm under the assumption that if the bass is mixed low into the mix that it won't make any difference. But I haven't tried what you have done.
Well, you've got nothing to loose by giving it a try

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Well, you've got nothing to loose by giving it a try
I will give it a try when I have the chance. I also want to play the Quad SHM-SACD to see if the bass is more out front than the 5.1 mix. I haven't played the '73 stereo mix of the Blu-ray but want to see how that compares to the SHM-SACD.

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I will give it a try when I have the chance. I also want to play the Quad SHM-SACD to see if the bass is more out front than the 5.1 mix. I haven't played the '73 stereo mix of the Blu-ray but want to see how that compares to the SHM-SACD.

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Have you compared the '73 stereo to the '14 on the BD? From the little I heard I actually preferred the '73 because of the bass. I also thought Pete's guitar was also lower on the '14 stereo. I'm actually one of the few who's not crazy for the SHM-SACD. I thought the drums and bass are too recessed on the SHM.
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I read a promo piece for the HFPA disc group in a British mag called Home Cinema. In the piece someone from the group said the 5.1 mix for Quadrophenia was created exclusively for this blu ray release and that it was produced by Pete Townsend. It seems strange that he would let the bass be mixed so low. He also said that they are reaching out to other artists to see if they can get them to work on future blu ray releases but he didn't mention any names.
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Quadrophenia to be released in 5.1 as part of a 40th anniversary release

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Have you compared the '73 stereo to the '14 on the BD? From the little I heard I actually preferred the '73 because of the bass. I also thought Pete's guitar was also lower on the '14 stereo. I'm actually one of the few who's not crazy for the SHM-SACD. I thought the drums and bass are too recessed on the SHM.

+1. Very disappointed in the bass on the M/C mix. Went to the 73 mix and it was there. If I didn't know better I'd think there was something wrong with the M/C mix.
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A thumbs up for the blu-ray version. I like the way they separated the instruments and vocals. The base, while not prominent, is consistent with most Who albums I have as none of them seem to have prominent bass. A bit expensive, but I'll get my money's worth.

Note, I don't have the original Quadrophenia, so I can't compare it.
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A thumbs up for the blu-ray version. I like the way they separated the instruments and vocals. The base, while not prominent, is consistent with most Who albums I have as none of them seem to have prominent bass. A bit expensive, but I'll get my money's worth.

Note, I don't have the original Quadrophenia, so I can't compare it.
Sure you do, the BD has the 73 mix on it

 

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Another gripe about the Blu-ray version of Quadrophenia:

Where's the bloody back-story of Quadrophenia written by Pete Townshend for the album's release?! Where's the bloody lyric sheet?!

Both can be found on the original album from 1973. Both can be found on the MCA 1996 CD release.

At the price they're charging for this Blu ray I thought I'd get the complete package.

(Just like the "Quadrophenia--The Director's Cut (Super Deluxe Edition)" from 2011 which only included part of the album in 5.1 Surround Sound, this latest version of Quadrophenia comes up short.)
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Another gripe about the Blu-ray version of Quadrophenia:

Where's the bloody back-story of Quadrophenia written by Pete Townshend for the album's release?! Where's the bloody lyric sheet?!

Both can be found on the original album from 1973. Both can be found on the MCA 1996 CD release.

At the price they're charging for this Blu ray I thought I'd get the complete package.

(Just like the "Quadrophenia--The Director's Cut (Super Deluxe Edition)" from 2011 which only included part of the album in 5.1 Surround Sound, this latest version of Quadrophenia comes up short.)
I can understand why you would want all those items as part of the Blu-ray package. But I'm not that concerned as I'm just happy to have the entire album in 5.1 at a reasonable cost. I listened to this today and I found that the bass is still weak but it is there in the background. It's a great sounding 5.1 mix that was totally cranked up on a rainy day .

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Another gripe about the Blu-ray version of Quadrophenia:

Where's the bloody back-story of Quadrophenia written by Pete Townshend for the album's release?! Where's the bloody lyric sheet?!

Both can be found on the original album from 1973. Both can be found on the MCA 1996 CD release.

At the price they're charging for this Blu ray I thought I'd get the complete package.

(Just like the "Quadrophenia--The Director's Cut (Super Deluxe Edition)" from 2011 which only included part of the album in 5.1 Surround Sound, this latest version of Quadrophenia comes up short.)
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I can understand why you would want all those items as part of the Blu-ray package. But I'm not that concerned as I'm just happy to have the entire album in 5.1 at a reasonable cost. I listened to this today and I found that the bass is still weak but it is there in the background. It's a great sounding 5.1 mix that was totally cranked up on a rainy day .

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Oh, I still bought this release anyway (like the numerous versions of other Who albums I've purchased through the years), but Townshend's essay was a very enjoyable part of the complete concept of the album. It seems strange that Townshend, who prides himself on his non-musical writing abilities, would sign off on this project without including an integral part of his concept.

(And I agree that the bass should have been "roaring" out of my speakers on this release.)
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(And I also posted a gripe about XTC not including a lyric sheet with their recent Nonsuch 5.1 release.)
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Sure you do, the BD has the 73 mix on it
Duh - thanks, after seeing this is I actually do remember it seeing it

Anyway, listening to it now and I don't hear any more bass then the surround version. So, I'll stick with that one.

Thanks again.
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Duh - thanks, after seeing this is I actually do remember it seeing it

Anyway, listening to it now and I don't hear any more bass then the surround version. So, I'll stick with that one.

Thanks again.
Hey... If Universal can't be bothered to tell people that the 1973 stereo mix of Quadraphenia is available on the Blu-ray audio disc, you have nothing to feel embarrassed about

Universal sure no how to loose sales...

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Duh - thanks, after seeing this is I actually do remember it seeing it

Anyway, listening to it now and I don't hear any more bass then the surround version. So, I'll stick with that one.

Thanks again.
Seriously? I thought it was night and day difference. Maybe check your woofers.

ETA: Just to be clear I'm talking about Jon Entwistle's (The Ox) bass not the overall bass on the BD.

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Seriously? I thought it was night and day difference. Maybe check your woofers.

ETA: Just to be clear I'm talking about Jon Entwistle's (The Ox) bass not the overall bass on the BD.
I understand but for me, I don't hear it and my woofers are more then fine
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I understand but for me, I don't hear it and my woofers are more then fine

I have to agree with obie. The '73 bass is much more prominent than the '14. I'm going to keep that as my go-to when I'm listening in stereo. If you have a good set of cans, give it a listen on them. It's not even close. The Ox gores again.
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Exclamation Guys, you are frigg'n KILLING ME!!!

Heh... I've gone though this WHOLE dang thread and people keep mentioning the excellent 5.1 sound.

Fine...

BUT... THERE ARE 2 HD AUDIO TRACKS HERE GUYS!!!

There is a DTS HD and a TrueHD track and NOBODY had even mentioned which one they like better! I'm seriously just about going out of my mind here

I cannot believe that NO ONE has said anything about this, would any of you PLEASE mention WHICH HD track you prefer and why, if you don't mind, hopefully, BEFORE I hang myself...

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Heh... I've gone though this WHOLE dang thread and people keep mentioning the excellent 5.1 sound.

Fine...

BUT... THERE ARE 2 HD AUDIO TRACKS HERE GUYS!!!

There is a DTS HD and a TrueHD track and NOBODY had even mentioned which one they like better! I'm seriously just about going out of my mind here

I cannot believe that NO ONE has said anything about this, would any of you PLEASE mention WHICH HD track you prefer and why, if you don't mind, hopefully, BEFORE I hang myself...

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DTS HD but have to admit have not tried the Dolby True. I think the DTS was first on the list.Sounded good so didn't think to try anything else.
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What differences would you expect with either "lossless" coding/decoding of the original PCM soundtrack?
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Like ace I guess I hadn't bothered with the Dolby track. And like lovinthehd said, hope you aren't expecting a great difference here with these 2 lossless codecs. I just tried a few cuts from Quadrophenia on my Oppo, flipping between DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD and...it's a coin toss to my ears. Even ran my SPL meter on both and got the same readings, not that the loudness level would be directly proportionate to sound quality anyway. The part where you said "people keep mentioning the excellent 5.1 sound", run with that and pick up the disc
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Technically, there should not be any audible differences between a lossless Dolby TrueHD and a lossless DTS MA-HD audio bit-stream when they are passed to a surround sound decoder via HDMI.


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(And I also posted a gripe about XTC not including a lyric sheet with their recent Nonsuch 5.1 release.)
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Heh... I've gone though this WHOLE dang thread and people keep mentioning the excellent 5.1 sound.

Fine...

BUT... THERE ARE 2 HD AUDIO TRACKS HERE GUYS!!!

There is a DTS HD and a TrueHD track and NOBODY had even mentioned which one they like better! I'm seriously just about going out of my mind here

I cannot believe that NO ONE has said anything about this, would any of you PLEASE mention WHICH HD track you prefer and why, if you don't mind, hopefully, BEFORE I hang myself...

Cheers!
Jeez, simmer down.
Actually there are 3 HD tracks.
Why not buy it and decide for yourself generally there are little to no differences between the HD streams.
Some times I slightly prefer PCM sometimes TruHD most times none over another.

 

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Jeez, simmer down.
Actually there are 3 HD tracks.
Why not buy it and decide for yourself generally there are little to no differences between the HD streams.
Some times I slightly prefer PCM sometimes TruHD most times none over another.
Agreed Milt. Though it sounded like he was only talking about the 5.1 mixes, there is no PCM 5.1 on this disc. But yeah, buy it, you'll love it
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Technically, there should not be any audible differences between a lossless Dolby TrueHD and a lossless DTS MA-HD audio bit-stream when they are passed to a surround sound decoder via HDMI.


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There are differences, but it's usually in the way your player processes them. My Oppo 95 usually sounds better with the DTS stream than the Dolby for some reason.
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Like ace I guess I hadn't bothered with the Dolby track. And like lovinthehd said, hope you aren't expecting a great difference here with these 2 lossless codecs. I just tried a few cuts from Quadrophenia on my Oppo, flipping between DTS-HD Master and Dolby TrueHD and...it's a coin toss to my ears. Even ran my SPL meter on both and got the same readings, not that the loudness level would be directly proportionate to sound quality anyway. The part where you said "people keep mentioning the excellent 5.1 sound", run with that and pick up the disc
Hmmm, I appreciate the replies. I guess maybe something is wrong with my encode because there is a HUGE difference in volume between the two. The DTS track is considerably louder and more aggressive, which I prefer. The TrueHD track is quite a bit lower in volume.

Weird though if the rest of you do not notice that...???
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