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Also waiting in the mail today was Deep Purple's Machine Head DVD-Audio
disc. I was very anxious to hear this because the remastered
Machine Head CD was excellent. Of course, the first track I played
was "Smoke on the Water". I about cried, the mix was horrible!!
The bass track was so "in the background", I doubled checked my
gear to make sure everything was connected properly and powered up.
The mix is clean and crisp, but no bass, especiallyfor this song where
the bass line is the 2nd lead (some argue "the" lead). I didn't even
bother to listen to the other tracks I was so bummed. I did watch
the two videos of concert footage shot in '72 in Copenhagen. They
were a nice extra feature.

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The problem is they mixed the bass guitar into the center channel. So if your center channel speaker isn't full range it will sound wimpy. I have a Def Tech CLR 2300 with built-in sub for the center, and even then it sounds crappy.
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Yes, Karnis, you are correct now that I think about it. My Paradigm
Ref CC450 goes down to 42 Hz and I have the receiver set to crossover
at 50Hz, but nada from the sub. In comparison, the Yes: Fragile DVD-A
has an excellent mix with a fair amount of bass coming from the
center too, but not only the center IIRC. I was impressed that my center speaker produced such a punch on some tracks. It never gets that type of exercise from movies.

Sigh. The Machine Head DVD-A could have really sounded great.

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LOL Shaded!

Heck, I remember the 8-track having more bass...

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What the hell were they smoki... :rolleyes:
What a waste. I was going to buy that one too. Glad I didn't. Maybe Made In Japan will make its way - with proper bass - to DVD-A. That's actually a better version (IMO) of Smoke anyway.

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I too had bo-coo 8-tracks and you could make the case that they just might have beat some of the records, as they were reel-to-reels subdivided. It's just when they got lazy and did the fade-out-fade-in at the track change...

And whadabout that double record recorded in Japan that for the longest time was only available as an import?

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I too had bo-coo 8-tracks and you could make the case that they just might have beat some of the records, as they were reel-to-reels subdivided.
They may have been 1/4" tape, but remember they carried four sets of stereo tracks to open-reel's two (resulting in narrower track width), they ran at 3 1/2 ips to open-reel's 7 or 15, and the awful loop transport caused wow and flutter that even a cassette could smoke. That's why they died... and good riddance :D

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Today I received my SACD of Machine Head in the mail!
The SACD sounds much better than the DVD-A. I listened
mostly to the stereo tracks and compared a couple to the DVD-A.
The SACD sounds more "up front" and seems to have more
dynamic range than the DVD-A. The DVD-A sounds somewhat muffled
in comparison. The only downside, and it really doesn't matter that much,
is the multi-channel tracks are "dumbo" mixed. No center, and what
appears to be just separately splitting out the organ to the rears.
I didn't listen much to the multichannel, but I wasn't at all impressed.
I may have exaggerated a bit about the multichannel, but not much. :)
The stereo mix sounds much better. Definitely worth the extra $$$
to get the this import!

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Hmm...
I almost blew the windows off playing Deep Purple "Machine Head" on DVD-A, especially the "Space Truckin'". "Smoke on the Water" rocked with bass also.

My config:
Player: Toshiba SD-4700
Amp: Yamaha DSP-A1
Front speakers: Definitive Technologies BP-10 (set to small, although they go down to 27Hz)
Rear speakers: Definitive Technologies BP-6B (set to small also)
Subwoofer: SVS B4+

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Kir,
I call'em as I hear'em. :) I see your player doesn't do SACD. If you
heard the Machine Head SACD, I'm fairly sure you'd agree with me.
When I first heard the DVD-A, I was disappointed because the bass
mix was not quite as up front as the remastered CD. The SACD stereo
mix appears to be mixed the same way as the CD. Also, the bass
on the DVD-A is a tad muddier than the SACD.

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Larry,
I was making a comment on the quality of bass and I think it was more then plenty of it.

PS: As you said, I can't really compare with SACD :(

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Ok, gotcha, Kirill. :) Hopefully you'll be able to pick up a SACD capable
player soon. There's some really good stuff on SACD too.

BTW, do the stereo tracks on the Machine Head DVD-A sound as bad
to you as they do to me? I hear a ton of background hiss.

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I'll have to revisit this one. From what I remember the DVD-A sounded great. It was a while ago though and I've done upgrades to the system since. I guess I'll have to sit down with a cold one and crank it up. Darn!

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I had no issues with the DVD-A multi-channel sound except I would have preferred
a mix similar to the CD. But, now that I've heard the SACD, I believe it
sounds better, and as a bonus, the stereo mix is like the CD.

Crank it up! :)

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Quote:
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BTW, do the stereo tracks on the Machine Head DVD-A sound as bad
to you as they do to me? I hear a ton of background hiss.
...
larry
Hi Larry,
Sorry it took me so long to check it out - little baby in the house demands some quiet times :)
The stereo tracks sound perfect to me.
Just had a visitor that heard quite a few systems in his 25 yrs TV repair career, and he said that was the best sound he had ever heard.
Maybe you got a bad disk???

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Thanks, Kirill. I'll check again. Playing the "multi-channel playlist"
sounds great in multi-channel or stereo mode (switching back and forth
on my receiver). Selecting the "stereo playlist" I hear more hiss -
a ton is an exaggeration :). Doesn't really matter because the
multi-channel sounds good either way. Maybe it has something
to do feeding the bitstreams over i.link instead of having the player
do the decoding - don't know.

I wish more people could hear the great improvement in sound
and run out and buy equipment and discs which in turn would
hopefully cause more titles to be released!

later

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Quote:
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I wish more people could hear the great improvement in sound
and run out and buy equipment and discs which in turn would
hopefully cause more titles to be released!

later

larry
I agree 100%.
It's like listening to the master tapes - as close to the life concert as it ever gets.

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