I bought my S97 in November, 2005, so coming up on three years ago. I love it. The only minor gripe I have, and it truly minor, is that if it is playing a DVD or DVD-A and I want to stop the disc by hitting stop, it makes sort of a grinding noise as it stops. If I want to jump through scenes of a movie, it may do that too. You are playing a movie and hit "return" on the remote and you get the grinding noise as it takes you back to the main menu page of the movie. It does not damage disks by doing that, so who cares? It is minor.
I just get the impression that the S97 is rather fragile. Maybe I am totally wrong, and I sure hope so. The little spin motors these players use are nothing like the big direct-drive motors in the Technics SL-1300 turntable. That's what I'm talking about. I have seen numerous people on AVS say "my player died". Ever seen that?
SO, I am concerned about having my current S97 be my only player that can play my $800 investment in DVD-As.
You say I should find a BlueRay player that will support DVD-As or get another DVD-A player. I just spent an hour googling "Blue Ray player and DVD-A". I found exactly ONE BR player that plays DVD-As: The three or four-year-old now- Panasonic BD-10. Know what list was for it? $1500. You see old banners from 2005 discussing it. I am not sure it is even still on the market now. Other than that, I find NO BR players that play DVD-A right now. Surprised? I was.
Oppo has not confirmed that their BR player will play DVD-A. I find discussion of an upcoming Denon that will- coming at the end of 2009 maybe. Price: $3,000!!! No thanks.
Where I mention Sony BR players in a post just up above, I meant to say Pioneers. I gave a couple of model numbers and they are for Pioneers. They won't play DVD-As, not play them right anyway.
I got kicked off by my ISP a while ago when posting just up above. What I wanted further to say was that if the BR players won't play DVD-As right, we really should lay in an extra DVD player that plays DVD-A if we love the format. I think I shall. I just looked again at the current Oppo flagship, the DV-988H for $399. I have some money burning a hole in my pocket, so I think I'll haul off and buy one. I hope my Panny S97 outlives me, but I just have a bad feeling about that.
The Panny BD-10, and I remember it from 2005- is probably obsolete now as a BR player. It may not have decoded Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio. So that leaves us with zero BR players that play DVD-A right. OPPO may produce one, or it may not, and it may be in late 2009 that it comes out. I say, buy an Oppo now and stash it, once you test it.
For the poster up above who was responding to me, where he said we will have great 7.1 channel surround hi rez sound. Sure we will, FOR MOVIES, none of the modern ones of which I buy. The art of making movies is now a lost art. I buy the old film-noirs from the 40's, lots of them. Double Idemnity is my favorite movie- 1944. But how does he think we will have great hi-res MUSIC audio- MUSIC-- in the Dolby True HD or DTS HD Master Audio. We won't have unless Dr. Waldrep goes to those formats. Why do I say that? Because he is the only person capable of carefully and skillfully recording hi rez music, apparently. All the other DVD-As ever put out, with the exception of Beatles Love, have been pretty awful. They took the old tapes from decades ago and just threw them on DVD-As.
So it will be us stashing some DVD-A players for when ours die, or Dr. Waldrep going over to BR for his productions if we want to hear great hi-res music in multi channel lossless.
I get the impression that Dr. Waldrep is at a cross-roads, not sure of whether to continue producing in the DVD-A format, or whether to go to BR 7.1. I think with BR coming on strong, DVD will fade, and, with it, DVD-A, both in terms of disks (AIX is about alone in producingnew ones) and in terms of players. As I say, I buy a LOT of SD old movies because I doubt that many of them will ever appear on BR. Maybe the whole catalog of film noir will come out on BR, but I am doubtful.
You can see hot and heavy discussion (speculation) about DVD-A playing BR players by clicking on the "Blue-Ray and HD DVD" area just above the "Audio area". Then click on "Blue Ray Players". Then click on the thread "Blue Ray Players with DVD-Audio and SACD". It is two pages long and most of it was posted in July, 2008, so it is a hot topic. One guy on page 2 gives a good rant about the abandonment of DVD-A by the BR makers. "There that goes- not enough PROFIT in it to support it". My feeling exactly. Another rip off by the equipment makers.
I'm back two days later now, today being Thursday, Sept. 4, 2008. I just looked at a comparison Audioholics did between the Oppo dv-983h ($399) and the Denon DVD 3930CI ($1,499). Both are standard def upconverting dvd players that play DVD-A and SACD. Note that price difference. Audioholics basically cannot detect a differece between them in video or audio.
I just googled the Panasonic S-97, my upscaling dvd player that plays DVD-Audio but not SACD. One big price service says "none of our hundreds of merchants currently carry this item". So it's gone with the wind!
Shame. I might buy a second one and stash it otherwise. I paid $279 in late 2005 and it got down to $225. Now gone!
So Denon MIGHT build a BR player that plays DVD-A- for $3,000! And Oppo will not say. I like the way someone up above says "Denon says it will produce one- someone told you that several posts back" without determining that it might appear in late 2009 and for three grand.
In another thead someone says "I hear Oppo is planning to produce a BR player that plays dvd-a". That's like saying "my friends are planning on going to the beach this weekend". Unless his friends are at the very top of the Oppo org., he's just guessing. Oppo refused to tell me.
I think we fans of DVD-A and SACD are being screwed once again by the equipment makers. You want to sell BR players? Here's how. You don't support DVD-A. When the fans of DVD-A see that, they quit buying them since their player will die at some point and the BR players won't play them. So then the makers of DVD-A disks- read Dr. Waldrep- quit producing them. If the BR player makers are lucky, he starts making hi-rez multi-channel music disks that play on BR players. That stimulates the sale of BR players and kills the sales of upscaling DVD players that also play DVD-A.
I think this non-support of DVD-A by BR player makers has just caused DVD-A to hit a brick wall. None of you has picked up on that. I'm buying an Oppo now and stashing it against the day my Panny S-97 DVD, DVD-Audio player dies.
This whole things reeks like the way the CD was muscled onto the market. The record producers suddenly stopped producing LPs in the spring of 1983 and CRUSHED all the billions of them in record stores- at least in the U.S. Why? Because each one represented a loss of $10 since LPs were $4.95 - $7.95 and CDs were $10 more. (Because people in Mexico could not as readily afford CD players and the more expensive CDs, they kept producing and selling LP's in Mexico long after they disappeared in the U.S. In 1994 I bought ~20 LPs, all brand new, in a record store in downtown Guadalajara).
What REALLY happened there too was that the CD makers were careless as hell in making them. I have one CD that really sounds great. "Buena Vista Social Club" on the Nonesuch label. Be careful since there is at least one other album by that name and it's not on the Nonesuch label.
Dr. Waldrep- We really would like to hear from you on all of this.
Edit- I just looked at www.aixrecords.com
and I see your comment there, Dr. Waldrep, that AIX will start producing BlueRay disks this fall. Great news. Lossless is lossless, so the SQ can't get much better, except it can be 7.1 in BR. The video will be better, but what you have been doing with the HD camera lately on the SD disks has been wonderful. I hope you have big success and sell LOTS of BR disks using your great skills and great care to produce wonderful audio (and video).
Man, AIX in hi-def with 7.1 channels of lossless audio. I'll be buying those, and I'll buy the Afro-Cuban-Latin Jazz disk in the next few days.
Originally Posted by teknoguy
Having been a big user of my own S97 player for the past 2.5 years on a daily basis for many hours per day, I'm curious why you think this player is not built adequately? What problems has it given you?
In any regard find a BR player that will support DVD-A and/or get another DVD-A player.