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So which one would you say I should put some hard earned cash into? I have a PIO VSX-92 with JBL890's for fronts LC2 center and L830's surrounds. My room is about 25x12x9 and opens into the dining area to the back (sub would be in the front). I currently use a Roland KCW-1 sub but am not getting a very good performance out of it (sort of muddy, tried different positionings). eBay has great deals on both and I don't have the means to test them myself. Use would be 50/50 with music/movies. Thanks guys...
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that is a pretty big room for either one of those subs

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If you're stuck on either, I'd go with the JBL. It goes a few hz deeper, although not as loud in the upper frequencies as the Velo. If you can swing for a pair that'd be even better, or just get something else.

What is your budget?

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I have an l8400 and a large room - 16x24x8 and open to kitchen. This sub is great for music - tight, articulate, easy to place since its sealed and goes low. If you are wanting a loud, boomy, HT type sub and play DVD's very loud then this sub may not be for you. Dont get me wrong, it gets plenty loud for music and blends very well with Beta 50's - even at very high volumes. It also gets low and rumbles very well when watching movies - its just not as loud or boomy as some ported subs may be in this price range. Another way to look at it is - with this sub you can actually hear notes and distinguish sounds where some other subs in this price range are better at shakeing walls... which is fun too - just different.


If you do get this sub - give it several hours to break in - it will get louder and lower...
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Thanks guys, my budget is between $500-$800. I understand both of these are more dough in shops but I am shopping online (eBay). Any other suggestions though would be great. I want definition but I do also want a good BOOM! I appreciate the help guys...
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Go with this info:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

If you have the space this seems to be great bang for the buck:

AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
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wow that MFW-15 looks pretty good. Problem is shipping to Toronto would be half as much as the sub itself! Any others?
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CroWcaine. The cheapest good solution for Canadians is to buy a SVS sub from sonicboomaudio.com (located in Toronto area). You can pick up the still awesome PB10 for $500 or PB12 for under $800. They are awesome subs.

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Thanks guys, my budget is between $500-$800. I understand both of these are more dough in shops but I am shopping online (eBay). Any other suggestions though would be great. I want definition but I do also want a good BOOM! I appreciate the help guys...

If youre set on eBay and as someone else mentioned - get 2 l8400's - they will do what you want. You could buy one, add a second later.

Below is another opinion. He ended up selling his l8400's - but - he replaced them for a sub that lists for $2,700.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=l8400
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Ya, I'm not sure that guy owned them long enough to break in. I always thought that break in period was a load but l agree with kuma1. Mine seams significantly louder after a month of daily use. When it first arrived it didn't seam as loud as the old 125w ported sub it replaced. Music sounds wonderful on it. I'm no expert on subs but I like my L8400P!
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Ya, I'm not sure that guy owned them long enough to break in. I always thought that break in period was a load but l agree with kuma1. Mine seams significantly louder after a month of daily use. When it first arrived it didn't seam as loud as the old 125w ported sub it replaced. Music sounds wonderful on it. I'm no expert on subs but I like my L8400P!


Ah, so it just wasnt my sub. Mine also digs deeper after breaking in and it also took many hours to loosen the driver. I get surprised at how low it goes when watching movies. I went to BB and listened to their $470 Klipsch sub12 and $400 jbl sub12 - this sub literally blows them away on all aspects. Its not the standard jbl sub most think it is, and its worth more than eBay prices.
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If youre set on eBay and as someone else mentioned - get 2 l8400's - they will do what you want. You could buy one, add a second later.

Below is another opinion. He ended up selling his l8400's - but - he replaced them for a sub that lists for $2,700.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=l8400

Thank you very much for this link! That was a great review. I just bought the L8400 for a little over 4 shipped to Toronto. I will be adding a second when the tax return comes
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Thank you very much for this link! That was a great review. I just bought the L8400 for a little over 4 shipped to Toronto. I will be adding a second when the tax return comes

Sweet. Make sure to let us know your impressions when you get it . And if (when) you get duals, tell us how much of a difference that makes, too. Congrats. I think that eBay deal is a steal on that sub. If I didn't already have subs I really like, I'd be all over that deal.
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Thank you very much for this link! That was a great review. I just bought the L8400 for a little over 4 shipped to Toronto. I will be adding a second when the tax return comes

It is well worth the money spent. Be sure not to judge it to harshly the first several weeks, it gets louder and lower after several hours/weeks of playing... I was watching Hot Fuzz (something like that, english flick...) last night and 300 a few nights ago and I couldnt believe the lows and rumbles that sub produces now...
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#2 on the way. Something about matching pairs just seems right ha ha.
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#2 on the way. Something about matching pairs just seems right ha ha.

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at 58 lbs why not buy 4!!!, Shipping will be cheap. and that 58 lbs give you a heavy 12 inch driver.................. a 14 square inch heavy cabinet, and a 600 watt amp that surely must weigh in at a ton............ hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder how much each weighs in at........ IF we just divide by three we get 19 lbs for the driver 19lbs for the amp and 19 pounds for the cabinet...... But then again we all know the cabinet is the most of the weight, especially if its made of quality 5/8 mdf at the minimum... hmmmm. so we got to say cabinet at least 30 lbs. this leaves 28 lbs 14 lbs for the amplifer and 14 pounds for the driver... ?. Quality?. At least the dls is 78 lbs. must be something there.

and my ten inch yamahas are the same weight.!!!. hmmm. big time quality. and the same group of boys cheering on cause they look so good and are sooo cheap.

Go velodyne!! Although i would not by either. I think i would go with a ten inch klipsch rwd for 499.00. Always known for quality and always will be , we hope. ))

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at 58 lbs why not buy 4!!!, Shipping will be cheap. and that 58 lbs give you a heavy 12 inch driver.................. a 14 square inch heavy cabinet, and a 600 watt amp that surely must weigh in at a ton............ hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder how much each weighs in at........ IF we just divide by three we get 19 lbs for the driver 19lbs for the amp and 19 pounds for the cabinet...... But then again we all know the cabinet is the most of the weight, especially if its made of quality 5/8 mdf at the minimum... hmmmm. so we got to say cabinet at least 30 lbs. this leaves 28 lbs 14 lbs for the amplifer and 14 pounds for the driver... ?. Quality?. At least the dls is 78 lbs. must be something there.

and my ten inch yamahas are the same weight.!!!. hmmm. big time quality. and the same group of boys cheering on cause they look so good and are sooo cheap.

Go velodyne!! Although i would not by either. I think i would go with a ten inch klipsch rwd for 499.00. Always known for quality and always will be , we hope. ))

Hey Johnny - How are you - I knew you would be back. So, youre proud of your Yamaha subs? Im happy for you and all your subs in your small room... they can make great friends - cant they. lol

I have listened to the Klipsch rwd - real bottom feeder at 28hz. And it weighs 39 lbs... impressive indeed. I have listened to the Velo as well. Have you heard the 8400... thats what I thought.

btw - your assumption regarding 8400 amp weight is several pounds off as well... I see a trend with you and your facts - dont you...

Well, thanks for dropping in, keeping the thread alive and making me laugh
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Kuma, I set the Pio's Xover at 100Hz with the towers set to "small" so the 8400 could take on the lows. I noticed when set to 80Hz some of the meat of music was lost, 100Hz blends perfect with the L890's. I am very happy with the performance and can't wait to hear what duals will do for me!
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Received my 2nd L8400P today and am as pleased with it as I am with my 2nd L890!
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at 58 lbs why not buy 4!!!, Shipping will be cheap. and that 58 lbs give you a heavy 12 inch driver.................. a 14 square inch heavy cabinet, and a 600 watt amp that surely must weigh in at a ton............ hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Wonder how much each weighs in at........ IF we just divide by three we get 19 lbs for the driver 19lbs for the amp and 19 pounds for the cabinet...... But then again we all know the cabinet is the most of the weight, especially if its made of quality 5/8 mdf at the minimum... hmmmm. so we got to say cabinet at least 30 lbs. this leaves 28 lbs 14 lbs for the amplifer and 14 pounds for the driver... ?. Quality?. At least the dls is 78 lbs. must be something there.

and my ten inch yamahas are the same weight.!!!. hmmm. big time quality. and the same group of boys cheering on cause they look so good and are sooo cheap.

Go velodyne!! Although i would not by either. I think i would go with a ten inch klipsch rwd for 499.00. Always known for quality and always will be , we hope. ))

I had the DLS-5000R. Nothing quality by any means, except maybe the front. No bracing, driver is nothing exceptional.
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2 L8400Ps sounds pretty good! Had to turn the LFE down by 6db.
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2 L8400Ps sounds pretty good! Had to turn the LFE down by 6db.
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Any pics? I bet it looks great.

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