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I have a JBL Venue SUB12, it's ok for frequencies over 50hz, a little boomy but was worth the $120 I paid for it... but one run with the end of this movie where he touches the champ's finger, SNAP CRACKLE POP and it failed to produce any amount of bass there... been thinking of CSX-15 and not REALLY wanting to jump to mfw-15/hsu 3.3 etc... what's avsoforum think?
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You need to get a sub that can handle 25 Hz frequency with aplomb!
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Conversely, that scene will make you smile with the right sub.
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I have a JBL Venue SUB12, it's ok for frequencies over 50hz, a little boomy but was worth the $120 I paid for it... but one run with the end of this movie where he touches the champ's finger, SNAP CRACKLE POP and it failed to produce any amount of bass there... been thinking of CSX-15 and not REALLY wanting to jump to mfw-15/hsu 3.3 etc... what's avsoforum think?

That's exactly where you want to go if you want quality bass. And to hear what that scene really sounds like it freakin awesome.

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This was my first BR after recalibrating my Klipsch Ultras and new PB13 Ultra. I was definitely smiling.

BTW, the MFW15 was far superior to two Hsu 3.2s I was running. B stocks can be found for an excellent price. The Hsus had too much port chuffing (without the turbo).
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I wish I could hear this movie with an Ultra I know im missing a LOT with my DPS-10.

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that scene is the lowest i've heard sofar and my sub didn't like it at all, where are these b stock mfw-15's?
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Call AV123 for the info. The MFW15 is an excellent bang for the buck sub. I haven't tried the 3.3 but I had dual 3.2s. The MFW15 had lower extension.
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what's b-stock going for and how "Damaged"?
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This was my first BR after recalibrating my Klipsch Ultras and new PB13 Ultra. I was definitely smiling.

BTW, the MFW15 was far superior to two Hsu 3.2s I was running. B stocks can be found for an excellent price. The Hsus had too much port chuffing (without the turbo).


The MFW'S are great but far superior to the HSU's well I guess that is your opinion and we may have different rooms and set up.

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I have dual 3.3 turbos with dual mbm-12s and the last scene in KFP was very nice. If you did not feel or hear that you definitely need a new sub. The movie didn't have a ton of bass but, when it did it was very good.
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Time stamp on that good bass scene?

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Time stamp on that good bass scene?

ditto

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It's at the end of the movie when Kung Fu Panda says "skidoosh"...A large kaboom of sorts follows. You can't miss it.
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The skidoosh scene is fun, but if you really want to torture your subwoofer there are better scenes (in other movies) to put it under pressure.

War of the Worlds, Incredible Hulk, The Haunting, Pulse, Flight of the Phoenix, Titan AE, etc.

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The skidoosh scene is fun, but if you really want to torture your subwoofer there are better scenes (in other movies) to put it under pressure.

War of the Worlds, Incredible Hulk, The Haunting, Pulse, Flight of the Phoenix, Titan AE, etc.

Yep, those are all good ones! KFP provides a very neat effect.
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It’s the output level of the frequency that will bugger your subs up if you don’t rehearse it before showing-off to your neighbour (I’ve got a got home theatre and a big sub).

The last thing you want is embarrassing popping and bottoming out sounds that most ears will pick up on straight away!

I’m not in the least bit interested about the film. I’ve go more than my fair share of films that drop down below 30Hz 20Hz and a few rare ones that might do 18Hz but that is very small amount. If the film comes down to below £6.00 pounds at ASDA I might consider buying it, might!
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The skidoosh scene is fun, but if you really want to torture your subwoofer there are better scenes (in other movies) to put it under pressure.

War of the Worlds, Incredible Hulk, The Haunting, Pulse, Flight of the Phoenix, Titan AE, etc.

Yeah those will bugger subs right up! And few scenes from The Matrix Reloaded, Star Wars episode II, have I missed any others??
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War of the Wars in Blu-ray lossless DTS-MA. Maybe?

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Also lack of conference with, one’s sub bass! Me, I’ve got faith and conference on its performance.
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Also lack of conference with, one's sub bass! Me, I've got faith and conference on its performance.

JBL, do you mean confidence instead of conference?
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JBL, do you mean confidence instead of conference?

Since I'm half dyslexic and I misspelled it and since you managed to decode it, well done top marks.

I have faith using Microsoft Word for which I would be totally handicapped without it, and this text conversation, wouldn't be happening at all, because I'm genuinely shy about my spelling.
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I have a JBL Venue SUB12, it's ok for frequencies over 50hz,


Dude. I'm suprised thats even considered a sub!
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There's a scene in Monster Inc near the end where Billy Crystal's character is sneeking up from under the kid's bed and starts to tell jokes. That is about 2 seconds of violent bass I've ever heard. It rocked my couch and I woke up.
I think it rivals another 2 seconds or so bass scene in Finding Nemo where the father fish (sorry, forgot the names ) was telling the school of fish trapped in the net to pull against the boat to break free.

You'll rarely hear anyone say, "I wish I'd gotten less Sub."

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Dude. I'm suprised thats even considered a sub!

I had to look it up, I thought I’d seen it before on the forums.
http://www.jbl.com/home/products/pro...spx?prod=SUB12


Warranty 1 year electronics/5 year loudspeaker
First Manufactured 2006
Last Manufactured 2008
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Amplifier Power (RMS) 250 Watts
Peak Dynamic Power 500 Watts

The Peak Dynamic Power is measured by recording the highest center-to-peak voltage measured across the output of a resistive load equal to minimum impedance of the transducer, using a 50Hz sine wave burst, 3 cycles on, 17 cycles off.
Low-Frequency Transducer 12" (300mm) PolyPlas™
Inputs Line-Level (switchable to LFE) and Speaker- Level, with five-way binding posts
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Frequency Response 25Hz – Low-pass crossover setting
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Weight 39.5 lb (18kg)

I can’t see anything wrong with it. I have friend that has Yamaha YST SW-150 and that will make strange popping sounds with mild tones within 40Hz and 50Hz it’s a lousy sub bass. Forget below 40Hz it can’t do it without being played at low SPL db level.

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if you don't wanna spend on mfw-15, get the a3-300 from eD for $500 shipped.
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It might be something wrong with your setup, subwoofer placement, or your listening position. Or not.

I'm getting the movie right now, you made me curious, I have a JBL es150p, 10 inch , 300w RMS, 500w peak, basically almost the same as yours. The only difference is that my room amplifies the **** out of low frequencies.
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It might be something wrong with your setup, subwoofer placement, or your listening position. Or not.

I'm getting the movie right now, you made me curious, I have a JBL es150p, 10 inch , 300w RMS, 500w peak, basically almost the same as yours. The only difference is that my room amplifies the **** out of low frequencies.

Oh, for Pete sakes maybe I should buy the sodden thing now and try on my JBL sub. The very least week after next it better be worth it or I'm having the Panda stuffed and hanging on the wall.
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Ok, there's some heavy bass in that scene, I can hear the bass, kabooom, and it made my windows rattle and shake although it was only at about 20% volume. (my normal listening volume)

Its almost the same as the sonic boom from Iron Man.

I have a big spike in my room at about 31 Hz, but dropped 4db at 31 Hz with my equalizer. The thing is I dont know how much is my sub putting out and how much is my room helping.
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