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Any chance you will be adding a PA-120 to your setup? I am very curious to see a side by side comparison to the vk-12 and the H100...

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People have compared the VK-12 and H-100 and found them to be very similar, not sure if anyone who owns both every actually measured them...

I don't know of anyone who has an H-100/VK-12 and also the PA-120. The weight difference was quite surprising to me when I read that just now.

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heavier is usually considered better when it comes to subs...

Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones.
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Has anyone found or used a product that will clean and polish the "Piano Black" finish on the PA-120 sub without leaving fine scratches? I know there are probably some products out there on the web but would prefer to find something at an auto store or Wal-Mart.

I want to try to avoid anything that will just add fine scratches, maybe something specifically for this type of plastic finish that actually will remove fine scratches. I'll look for myself next time I'm out but I thought I'd tap the vast resources here first to see if anyone had a recommendation.

Still loving both of mine, really good thump for the buck!

Thanks in advance...
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Meguires makes great finish products. To take out fine scratches i would suggest the #2 professional Fine Cut Cleaner. To keep it nice, any auto wax should do the trick. Just stay away from the less expensive "scratch removers" as they can have coarser abrasives in them. Of course make sure to use a nice clean and soft cloth for the polishing.
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pick up some microfiber cloths at home depot or an auto parts store. you can pay a few bucks for a 6-pack and as long as they are clean they will clean glass, gloss black speakers, etc without scratching. no need for any products unless scratches appear, just dust and then wipe clean with the cloth. if you need to get a fingerprint off just use the moisture in your breath, then wipe off.

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x2, or get some swifter dusters; they work great on the high gloss piano black caps on my Swan Diva's.
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I hate to bump this thread with a newb question but,

This thread seems to be about this specific sub, which is a H-100 listed as a PA-120

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIC-Acoustech-H-...ayphotohosting

and while doing some research, I see the PA-120 and the H-100 seem to get... tangled... when it comes to info about each of the subs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIC-Acouste-H-10...|39:1|240:1308

That is the only h-100 I can find, and higher priced that others' info I've seen posted.

My head is swimming with all this info I'm trying to take in, so could someone clear the air for me please?

Is the above H-100 and PA-120 the same? I was looking to get the Bic H-100 after reading through this thread a bit:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

as it was a well-ranked sub in an entry-mid level cost. I got confused when it seemed like the PA-120 replaced the H-100.

Help :/
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They are not the same, not even from the same company. They are made in the same factory however.
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If they're not the same, how is it there is a BIC listed as the H-100 new model PA-120?

Is the PA-120 "better" in any way to the original (?) H-100?
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If they're not the same, how is it there is a BIC listed as the H-100 new model PA-120?

Is the PA-120 "better" in any way to the original (?) H-100?

The advertisement is somewhat deceiving. I believe they referenced the H-100, but BIC and Premier Acoustic are two different company's. However, they buy through the same manufacturer.

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If they're not the same, how is it there is a BIC listed as the H-100 new model PA-120?

Is the PA-120 "better" in any way to the original (?) H-100?


The distributor ranks the PA-120 higher than the H-100

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Awesome, thanks for the feedback. Snagging the PA-120 right now.
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Just did a frequency sweep via uncompressed LPCM 48khz and measured it at approximately 23hz before it totally craps out.

Its completely solid all the way through, no rattling except for my windows and doors across the house.
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Has anyone found or used a product that will clean and polish the "Piano Black" finish on the PA-120 sub without leaving fine scratches? I know there are probably some products out there on the web but would prefer to find something at an auto store or Wal-Mart.

I want to try to avoid anything that will just add fine scratches, maybe something specifically for this type of plastic finish that actually will remove fine scratches. I'll look for myself next time I'm out but I thought I'd tap the vast resources here first to see if anyone had a recommendation.

Still loving both of mine, really good thump for the buck!

Thanks in advance...

Real furniture wax or car wax will do. But just dust it with a MF towel and you shouldn't have scratches.
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I hate to bump this thread with a newb question but,

This thread seems to be about this specific sub, which is a H-100 listed as a PA-120

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIC-Acoustech-H-...ayphotohosting

and while doing some research, I see the PA-120 and the H-100 seem to get... tangled... when it comes to info about each of the subs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BIC-Acouste-H-10...|39:1|240:1308

That is the only h-100 I can find, and higher priced that others' info I've seen posted.

My head is swimming with all this info I'm trying to take in, so could someone clear the air for me please?

Is the above H-100 and PA-120 the same? I was looking to get the Bic H-100 after reading through this thread a bit:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...36#post9164136

as it was a well-ranked sub in an entry-mid level cost. I got confused when it seemed like the PA-120 replaced the H-100.

Help :/


I had the same confusion, but since i read that both were good I didn't care after a while. I'm having a nice time with the PA-120 and have no regrets at all! My Infinity Sub is still being fixed...glad it broke because I think this is a better sub for less money.
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FWIW, I spoke with Eric today at sound distributors. He promptly replied to 2 emails from this morning and got me a quick resonable shipping quote to Alaska on the PA-120. He was upfront telling me if I wanted black it would be a few days before it shipped (I opted for Cherry). So, none of the aforementioned issues at all for me. Hopefully it continues to go smoothly from here.

I am upgrading from the small 8" Energy sub bundlled with the new (HTIB) classic system so I am hoping for a noticable improvement.
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Just did a frequency sweep via uncompressed LPCM 48khz and measured it at approximately 23hz before it totally craps out.

Its completely solid all the way through, no rattling except for my windows and doors across the house.

Awesome, so the specs are pretty close to what it can do.

I think for the price it's sounds good to me. Some people might think the less than state of the art driver is an issue. But to me I think people expect too much for what they pay these days. Spoiled by cheap cost.

People always complain about furniture like that. Say they don't make it like they used too, but what is different is people don't buy like they used to. Years ago people saved for years and bought an expensive piece of furniture that basically was hand built. Today people buy crappy furniture and expect it to be better.

Go to a real furniture place and see what a high end dinning table costs...$3,-5,000 with chairs. Most people probably paid like $300 for their table.

The long rant is you have to think if you want something that's going to last 15 years or you want to pay less and maybe buy another sooner. Even if you went through a sub every 3 years you'd could buy 2 for the price of a "mid level" unit" and possible 3-4 if you were buying high end.


Good sub, good sound, good price.
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Awesome, so the specs are pretty close to what it can do.

I think for the price it's sounds good to me. Some people might think the less than state of the art driver is an issue. But to me I think people expect too much for what they pay these days. Spoiled by cheap cost.

People always complain about furniture like that. Say they don't make it like they used too, but what is different is people don't buy like they used to. Years ago people saved for years and bought an expensive piece of furniture that basically was hand built. Today people buy crappy furniture and expect it to be better.

Go to a real furniture place and see what a high end dinning table costs...$3,-5,000 with chairs. Most people probably paid like $300 for their table.

The long rant is you have to think if you want something that's going to last 15 years or you want to pay less and maybe buy another sooner. Even if you went through a sub every 3 years you'd could buy 2 for the price of a "mid level" unit" and possible 3-4 if you were buying high end.


Good sub, good sound, good price.

Well said...my second one is being delivered tomorrow

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Quick question for the PA-120 owners, how quickly does the speaker turn on when using the auto on/off? I'll probably be upgrading my AVR soon and one of my choices doesn't have a switched outlet, meaning that if I don't want the speaker on all the time, I'll have to manually turn it on everytime I want to use it.
My current sub's Auto On/Off isn't great, b/c it will send out bass probably 1.5-2 seconds after the explosion started, if it had shut off during non-bassy scenes.
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Quick question for the PA-120 owners, how quickly does the speaker turn on when using the auto on/off? I'll probably be upgrading my AVR soon and one of my choices doesn't have a switched outlet, meaning that if I don't want the speaker on all the time, I'll have to manually turn it on everytime I want to use it.
My current sub's Auto On/Off isn't great, b/c it will send out bass probably 1.5-2 seconds after the explosion started, if it had shut off during non-bassy scenes.

Since you are using the sub to cover mid and low there isn't a situation where it should be not getting a signal while the sound is on. The auto on is seamless, and it shuts off 20 minutes after it doesn't get a signal anymore.
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Quick question for the PA-120 owners, how quickly does the speaker turn on when using the auto on/off? I'll probably be upgrading my AVR soon and one of my choices doesn't have a switched outlet, meaning that if I don't want the speaker on all the time, I'll have to manually turn it on everytime I want to use it.
My current sub's Auto On/Off isn't great, b/c it will send out bass probably 1.5-2 seconds after the explosion started, if it had shut off during non-bassy scenes.

A dream. My old sub would idle until I kicked the power on and off - the PA-120 is very lively, and will jump in about half a second after a decent bass kick. I have no doubts about it turning on inevitably, and you CERTAINLY feel it when it's working than when its off.
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My Sony one sucked. It clicked everytime it turns on and off even on auto. It was annyoing. The PA-120 is pretty quick on the draw.

After a week of use I have to say it's a great sub. Fills my room with bass and rumbles the couch. Movies, music, and games are more enjoyable now.
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How do you guys think the PA-120 compares to the Energy S10.3? Seems like the 10.3 goes 3 hz lower (21hz vs 24hz will that be noticable in the the real world?) and peaks at 800W vs the 650 of the PA-120. ANyone have the oportunity to compare, or just have thoughts on this?
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How do you guys think the PA-120 compares to the Energy S10.3? Seems like the 10.3 goes 3 hz lower (21hz vs 24hz will that be noticable in the the real world?) and peaks at 800W vs the 650 of the PA-120. ANyone have the oportunity to compare, or just have thoughts on this?


One sub is almost $500 for 3hz less. I just got my second PA-120 for a total of $429 for both.

That's the beauty of the PA-120, I bet that theres not much audible difference unless you get to the high end subs - $700+ and like a few posts ago, the PA-120 goes down to 23hz as advertised.

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One sub is almost $500 for 3hz less. I just got my second PA-120 for a total of $429 for both.

That's the beauty of the PA-120, I bet that theres not much audible difference unless you get to the high end subs - $700+ and like a few posts ago, the PA-120 goes down to 23hz as advertised.

My $.02

So if one get another sub for duals, what is the preferred method to connect to A/V receiver?
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So if one get another sub for duals, what is the preferred method to connect to A/V receiver?

2 ways

1. My Yamaha 663 receiver has dual RCA sub outputs
2. If your reciever only has one sub out, use that to the 1st sub in and the PA-120 has a sub out to connect a 2nd one to it that way

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I might be able to get the Energy S10.3 for a great price from someone local. I can basically get it for the same price as the PA-120 (so I would break even or possibly a little less.) Question is it a better sub and worth the hassle of trying to sell and swap and what not. If you could get either sub for the same price which would you choose and why?
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They are probably pretty similar and only through direct comparison could you tell a difference. The Energy SX.3 line of subs was very well reviewed. I would wager that the Energy will be a little tighter for music (smaller woofer, ribbed elliptical surround), whereas the PA-120 with its bigger amp and woofer might have a little more output.

But I doubt anyone here has done a direct comparison.

check out this thread (it's about the H-100 vs. the 10.3 but should still be helpful):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=952711

Sound and Vision measured the S10.3 in their review of the Energy TAKE setup:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/spe...tem-page3.html

they were impressed with its low distortion (apparently the ribbed elliptical surround tech works) and measured the following:
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104 dB average SPL from 25 to 62 Hz
108 dB maximum SPL at 62 Hz
bandwidth uniformity 97%

Bass limits for the S10.3 subwoofer were measured with it set to maximum bandwidth and placed in the optimal corner of a 7,500-cubic-foot room. In a smaller room, you can expect 2 to 3 Hz deeper extension and up to 3 dB higher sound-pressure level (SPL). The S10.3 had above average dynamic capability, and the acoustical crossover points matched the dial markings closely.


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So if one get another sub for duals, what is the preferred method to connect to A/V receiver?

I use a "Y" adapter for both of my PA-120s. One leg of the "Y" adapter connected to the A/V "Sub Out" and then a cable connected to each of the legs of the "Y" adapter and the other end of each cable connected to each of the PA-120s.
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