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post #1801 of 2113 Old 12-31-2009, 01:20 PM
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Until you either find or replace the microphone for your Marantz and re-run Audyssey, you are going to remain disappointed. Audyssey does much more than just set levels and crossovers. Try reading this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795421

It will be worth the trouble/expense.

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It could just be the limits of the sub. I wouldn't use this sub in medium-large rooms.
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It could just be the limits of the sub. I wouldn't use this sub in medium-large rooms.

What is consider a medium-large room? 20x25 and above
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What is consider a medium-large room? 20x25 and above

There's no specific criteria but HSU does have a chart on the website for defining different sized rooms for their sub. It's probably as close as most peoples meaning generally speaking.

Small = up to 1500 cubic feet, Med = 1500 - 3000 cubic feet, Large 3000 - 4500 cubic feet, Huge = > 4500 cubic feet.

Keep in mind that's a closed in area also. If one has open doors, hallways or rooms that open to another room that has to measured in also.

Providing your 20x25 example had a 8ft ceiling and was closed in that would = 4000 cubic feet.
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What is consider a medium-large room? 20x25 and above

That's a pretty good sized room. You probably need a sub that packs a bit more power.

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Thanks Jakeman02 for the info., was looking at the F12 and PA-120. So I may have to rethink about the sub or would any of these two still work? The HT area is more 20x18 with slop ceiling starting at 8 to 15ft and the other part of the room is the dining area. Sitting area from Tv is 7 to 14.5ft.
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That's a pretty good sized room. You probably need a sub that packs a bit more power.

Any suggestion ilivas.
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Any suggestion ilivas.

An ED A2-300 would be a good step up which is about $350. For a bigger improvement, an SVS or HSU subwoofer which is in the $550 range.

I personally went from a PA-120 to an SVS PB-12 and it is a worthy sub. I moved the PA-120 to a smaller room.
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An ED A2-300 would be a good step up which is about $350. For a bigger improvement, an SVS or HSU subwoofer which is in the $550 range.

I personally went from a PA-120 to an SVS PB-12 and it is a worthy sub. I moved the PA-120 to a smaller room.

Thanks subiefast, I looked into the ED and has good reviews but its appearance doesn't have the WAF.
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Thanks subiefast, I looked into the ED and has good reviews but its appearance doesn't have the WAF.

What's your max budget? Without that you're going to get suggestions all over the place. Any sub is going to work in that room it just my not meet your expectations in filling that large of an area, especially if you listen at above normal volumes and that capability among other things will go up with your budget.
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What's your max budget? Without that you're going to get suggestions all over the place. Any sub is going to work in that room it just my not meet your expectations in filling that large of an area, especially if you listen at above normal volumes and that capability among other things will go up with your budget.

Thanks for the respond, max budget $300.
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Thanks for the respond, max budget $300.

For $300 I don't think you'll do any better than the PA-120 or F12 a little cheaper if you can find one in stock. The next step would be the ED A2-300 definitely worth the price difference and your budget is very close if not spot on when you consider EDs prices include shipping. If $300 is your max budget now I'd HIGHLY recommend saving your spare change until you get to the A2-300 you're very close.
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Just ordered my PA-120 to finish off my Monoprice 5.1 surround system and Denon AVR-590! I have high expectations of it based on my reading here.
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Anyone have any knowledge of PA-120 Cherry color compared to the Energy RC speakers cherry color?
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My PA-120 is arriving today. I'm really worried about it. There's lots of positive feedback here but I'm worried that it will get too boomy with my 5.1 Energy RC-Mini HT setup. The crossover will need to be set at 100 so I probably won't get that cool directionless bass that everyone talks about. I haven't heard any subwoofers I've liked before, they all really just give me a headache after minutes of listening. BUT...I've only heard those terrible Logitech subwoofers that come with their $70 5.1 set and their $100 2.1 set.

My room is 10'x11', so hopefully it'll kick my butt.
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My PA-120 is arriving today. I'm really worried about it. There's lots of positive feedback here but I'm worried that it will get too boomy with my 5.1 Energy RC-Mini HT setup. The crossover will need to be set at 100 so I probably won't get that cool directionless bass that everyone talks about. I haven't heard any subwoofers I've liked before, they all really just give me a headache after minutes of listening. BUT...I've only heard those terrible Logitech subwoofers that come with their $70 5.1 set and their $100 2.1 set.

My room is 10'x11', so hopefully it'll kick my butt.

You should notice a big improvement coming from what you're used to listening. The PA-120 will sound much cleaner than those wharrgarbl traps that Logitech calls subwoofers and filters at 150Hz.
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Ok guys. Help. I have been sitting at work for 2 hours researching subs. I have a 12' polk that isn't doing it for me. I was watching Terminator Salvation and during the deep bass of the jet scene I heard it pop because it couldn't handle it. I want to upgrade my speakers eventually (JBL northridge) (also running 7.1) and I am at a loss between the PA-120 and the A2-300.

The extra money the SVS costs would be more useful toward new speakers im thinking. Is the A2-300 fabric on the outside? Money isn't a huge issue but I already dropped 4k on a screen and projector and don't feel like getting carried away.

Is the A2-300 much better than the PA-120? What would you guys do?
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Ok guys. Help. I have been sitting at work for 2 hours researching subs. I have a 12' polk that isn't doing it for me. I was watching Terminator Salvation and during the deep bass of the jet scene I heard it pop because it couldn't handle it. I want to upgrade my speakers eventually (JBL northridge) (also running 7.1) and I am at a loss between the PA-120 and the A2-300.

The extra money the SVS costs would be more useful toward new speakers im thinking. Is the A2-300 fabric on the outside? Money isn't a huge issue but I already dropped 4k on a screen and projector and don't feel like getting carried away.

Is the A2-300 much better than the PA-120? What would you guys do?

The PA-120 is a great sub for people that just can't afford or don't want to spend the $350 on the A2-300. The A2-300 is definitely a good upgrade and if you have the money for it I would suggest getting it. For $350 and under it's the best bang for your buck, can't beat it's performance.

I loved my PA-120 and recommend it to anyone...but I don't recommend it to people that have $350 to spend
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My PA-120 is arriving today. I'm really worried about it. There's lots of positive feedback here but I'm worried that it will get too boomy with my 5.1 Energy RC-Mini HT setup. The crossover will need to be set at 100 so I probably won't get that cool directionless bass that everyone talks about. I haven't heard any subwoofers I've liked before, they all really just give me a headache after minutes of listening. BUT...I've only heard those terrible Logitech subwoofers that come with their $70 5.1 set and their $100 2.1 set.

My room is 10'x11', so hopefully it'll kick my butt.

Did you get the cherry colored PA-120? I f you did I would appreciate a post as to how it matches your cherry mini's. Thanks.
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Did you get the cherry colored PA-120? I f you did I would appreciate a post as to how it matches your cherry mini's. Thanks.


Even though I got cherry Mini's, I bought the black PA-120. I couldn't resist. It looks so sleek. Almost looks like some cabinet.
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Less than 12 hours and the 2nd one will be at my door. I wish I would've really know alot more about the a2-300 before. At the time I bought my first pa-120, i was tight on my budget, but if it woulda been that worth $250 more for the pair I think I shoulda. But these match my polk system perfectly.

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judging by the photos, I'd stick to the black.
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Even though I got cherry Mini's, I bought the black PA-120. I couldn't resist. It looks so sleek. Almost looks like some cabinet.

I opted to do exactly the same thing as you. Just didn't want to see a contrast between the 2 cherry colors. It was doubtful to me that the PA-120 could possibly match that beautiful orangy cherry of the RC's.

How does the sub match with your mini's? I hope yours fears weren't realized. Let us know.
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Does anyone know where I can purchase the PA-120 from a well know safe website? I read some good reviews on this sub. Looking for a sub lower then 300 and the bic f 12 is out of stock.
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Does anyone know where I can purchase the PA-120 from a well know safe website? I read some good reviews on this sub. Looking for a sub lower then 300 and the bic f 12 is out of stock.

SoundDistributors.com (also has Bing.com/cashback).
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We bought a house and in it's basement we've 5 speakers installed on ceiling already. The seller said it's Polk stereo, but I don't know the detail specification on it. I just bought the Denon AVR-790 and want to buy a subwoofer for the basement setting. Is it an overkill if I buy PA-120 or A2-300 since the subwoofer will be powerful but the remaining other 5 speakers will be not to it's par. On the same note, should I stick with PA-120 given my situation or spend few $$ and get A2-300. I understand that if I'd other 5 speakers a lot better ones, it would definitely make sense for A2-300, but wasn't sure in my current situation if it's worth to pay the extra bucks. Thanks for ur suggestions.
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We bought a house and in it's basement we've 5 speakers installed on ceiling already. The seller said it's Polk stereo, but I don't know the detail specification on it. I just bought the Denon AVR-790 and want to buy a subwoofer for the basement setting. Is it an overkill if I buy PA-120 or A2-300 since the subwoofer will be powerful but the remaining other 5 speakers will be not to it's par. On the same note, should I stick with PA-120 given my situation or spend few $$ and get A2-300. I understand that if I'd other 5 speakers a lot better ones, it would definitely make sense for A2-300, but wasn't sure in my current situation if it's worth to pay the extra bucks. Thanks for ur suggestions.

It all just boils down to the volume of the air in your basement HT setup. The larger the volume, the more sub you will need.

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We bought a house and in it's basement we've 5 speakers installed on ceiling already. The seller said it's Polk stereo, but I don't know the detail specification on it. I just bought the Denon AVR-790 and want to buy a subwoofer for the basement setting. Is it an overkill if I buy PA-120 or A2-300 since the subwoofer will be powerful but the remaining other 5 speakers will be not to it's par. On the same note, should I stick with PA-120 given my situation or spend few $$ and get A2-300. I understand that if I'd other 5 speakers a lot better ones, it would definitely make sense for A2-300, but wasn't sure in my current situation if it's worth to pay the extra bucks. Thanks for ur suggestions.

You can never have 'too much' bass. They can be adjusted in volume so turn it down if it's too loud. IMO, if you get the A2-300 you'll be able to run it cooler, at a slightly lower setting. In other words, it won't work as hard to fill your space as the PA-120 will and it will also give you more expansion possibilities if you ever choose to upgrade your in-walls.

Neither the PA-120 or A2-300 will fill a large space with powerful bass. They are better off in smaller rooms, especially the PA-120. If your basement room is 'smallish' then either sub might suit you just fine. If spending the extra money on the A2-300 isn't an issue for you then it's obviously a wise investment.
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Does anyone know how this sub compares to others in its price range for music sources? It would be used for music 80% of the time. And, most of that music is classical. Would I be better off spending a little extra on a the low end 8" Hsu, Def Tech, Outlaw, or other such brand? This is will be used in a relatively small living room with a pair of Polk floor standing monitors. Thanks...
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Honestly, it's not that good for music. Definitely grab a HSU.
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