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wow no one has heard a sub 12 , 15 , yet ? bert
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svs is not really all about SPL here......

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is it all about the output?what about the sound quality?

People get hung up on certain brands around here. If it isn't SVS/Monoprice/BJC/Oppo etc then it's not loud enough/too expensive/ripoff/snake oil/etc

You'll get used to it.
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Heard the sub-12 yesterday. Needless to say, I want one. Maybe even the sub-15(didn't hear it). I stood 10 ft away and my pant legs were moving, my jacket was vibrating and the sound was room filling deep bass. Not much more I can say other than you have to listen to one of these to appreciate.
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Have the Sub12 in my store, took a couple of days to fully break in. Man does it play deep, loud, and very clean.

We had a Servo 15 in our theatre room, but that was sold months ago. We were forced to move the DSP3400 over there and my ears got used to it and I forget of really clean bass sounded like.

At first the sub12 seemed like it was a big drop off in output, that was until 2 days after initial setup the sub came alive.

Listening to the opening sequence of Quantum of Solace was bone shaking. BUT you could distinctly hear every detail in the bass. The rapid fire gunshots very fluid and the Sub12 caught each and every shot. The same cannot be said for the DSP3400 which was more like a muddy bass sequence.

Sub12 is an absolute winner.

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People get hung up on certain brands around here. If it isn't SVS/Monoprice/BJC/Oppo etc then it's not loud enough/too expensive/ripoff/snake oil/etc

You'll get used to it.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I never bash any of those products, but people cling to them like they are automatically better than everything else available. Like a cult.

Back on topic. The weird thing about the sub12 is...the driver is deceivingly small...it simply looks like a 10" woofer. But since the surround is 1.5" thick it makes the actual woofer look much smaller.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. I never bash any of those products, but people cling to them like they are automatically better than everything else available. Like a cult.

I'm a Paradigm guy thru and thru owning a PS1000, PW2200 and a Servo15.
I've had various Monitor series and various Studio series in the last 15+ years.

I "cling" to those speakers and recommend them to anybody who'll listen.
Almost like a cult to me....pretty bad eh?

Its obvious you haven't heard a SVS sub let alone the PB13 Ultra.
But I'll tell you, you go to someones house that owns one and if its properly setup, you wont wonder anymore why they have the following they have. For under $2G Cdn, I cant see anything else that comes close.
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I took a chance and picked up the sub 12 unheard last week, as I just couldn't pass up an unbelievable deal. I went to my local dealer to audition the DSP-3400 and walked out with the sub 12. This sub is very accurate and pounds with authority in my small room. This was my expression when I first fired it up . I will try to give a more detailed review once it gets broke in and I have a few more quality hours under my belt.
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I am interested in the sub 12. But two other subs are on my short list...the axiom EP500 and the svs ultra 13. They are within a few hundred dollars of each other. The axiom and the svs are really well rated but the perfect bass kit is tempting. I have heard the sub 12 and it is impressive. The axiom is really well rated and the cheapest of the three. The svs has great output but does not have room correction. I am looking for a clean, tight sounding sub for HT and music but it has to have good punch. Is the svs overkill? Would a sub 12 be "better" because of the room correction? Just go cheaper with the well rated axiom and be done with it?

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I am interested in the sub 12. But two other subs are on my short list...the axiom EP500 and the svs ultra 13. They are within a few hundred dollars of each other. The axiom and the svs are really well rated but the perfect bass kit is tempting. I have heard the sub 12 and it is impressive. The axiom is really well rated and the cheapest of the three. The svs has great output but does not have room correction. I am looking for a clean, tight sounding sub for HT and music but it has to have good punch. Is the svs overkill? Would a sub 12 be "better" because of the room correction? Just go cheaper with the well rate axiom and be done with it?

Any thoughts?

The 13Ultra will outperform the other subs you are considering it every way. It will play louder, deeper, and have lower distortion. It's really not even close. It's also is considerably larger than the other two.
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Have the Sub12 in my store, took a couple of days to fully break in. Man does it play deep, loud, and very clean.

We had a Servo 15 in our theatre room, but that was sold months ago. We were forced to move the DSP3400 over there and my ears got used to it and I forget of really clean bass sounded like.

At first the sub12 seemed like it was a big drop off in output, that was until 2 days after initial setup the sub came alive.

Listening to the opening sequence of Quantum of Solace was bone shaking. BUT you could distinctly hear every detail in the bass. The rapid fire gunshots very fluid and the Sub12 caught each and every shot. The same cannot be said for the DSP3400 which was more like a muddy bass sequence.

Sub12 is an absolute winner.

My dealer recommended a DSP 3200 to go with my v4 Studio 40's and CC 590. It sounds like I should consider the Sub 12.
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The 13Ultra will outperform the other subs you are considering it every way. It will play louder, deeper, and have lower distortion. It's really not even close. It's also is considerably larger than the other two.

The perfect bass kit really does make a difference and even if you go with the SVS you should look at their room correction add on or something like the Velodyne sms1. I wonder how many people with a svs and no room correction love how loud it gets but are really just listening to a big 40 hz bump thinking its great.

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Paradigm's Sub 12 and Sub 15 with the Perfect Bass Kit is only eclipsed by the Signature Sub 25... And maybe a JL Audio G213 IMO.

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I am interested in the sub 12. But two other subs are on my short list...the axiom EP500 and the svs ultra 13. They are within a few hundred dollars of each other. The axiom and the svs are really well rated but the perfect bass kit is tempting. I have heard the sub 12 and it is impressive. The axiom is really well rated and the cheapest of the three. The svs has great output but does not have room correction. I am looking for a clean, tight sounding sub for HT and music but it has to have good punch. Is the svs overkill? Would a sub 12 be "better" because of the room correction? Just go cheaper with the well rate axiom and be done with it?

Any thoughts?

The Sub 12 is great, and even better with the Perfect Bass Kit. In a small to medium sized room, I think you'll be very impressed with the Sub 12's performance.

mojomike,

I gather you've heard the above mentioned subs all in the same setup, well, I certainly hope so anyway.
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The Sub 12 is great, and even better with the Perfect Bass Kit. In a small to medium sized room, I think you'll be very impressed with the Sub 12's performance.

mojomike,

I gather you've heard the above mentioned subs all in the same setup, well, I certainly hope so anyway.

Nope. I've only heard the PB13 out of all those, but I'd wager any amount that it will play louder, deeper and with less distortion than the Sub 12 or the Axiom 500. I am not saying it will automatically be preferred by everyone. That's a matter of taste and individual conditions. I'm simply saying that it will objectively outperform the others in depth, output, and distortion levels.
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What about the sub 25? from the reviews i have read it is a Fathom Killer, and if you had 2 it would beat the gotham is that true?

I have to wait untill the new SVS PB16 comes out to make a decision on a sub. The sub 15 i hve to go and hear this weekend

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Nope. I've only heard the PB13 out of all those, but I'd wager any amount that it will play louder, deeper and with less distortion than the Sub 12 or the Axiom 500. I am not saying it will automatically be preferred by everyone. That's a matter of taste and individual conditions. I'm simply saying that it will objectively outperform the others in depth, output, and distortion levels.

That sounds more reasonable. I was just a little surprised when I saw "outperform in every way" in your first post, especially considering you haven't even heard the other two subs.

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amazing that not more people have these subs...I would have thought they would have been a hot topic?
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amazing that not more people have these subs...I would have thought they would have been a hot topic?

My impression is that you can get comparable sound quality for less money. This does not mean subs are not great, quite the opposite. Just if you are not ready to spend so much money for Paradigm, you can still get very good Velodyne sub (someone suggested Optimum 10) for ~30% less in $ terms. I did not perform personal comparison though, and, if anyone can jump in with Paradigm Sub 12 vs Velodyne Optimum 10 comparison, I'd appreciate.
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I think the SUB 12 will kick the Optimum 10 so far away you need a telescope to see it.
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I had a Servo 15 some years ago and when I bought my new system in January I picked up the Sub 15 to go along with the Studio 100 fronts, CC-690 center and Studio 20 rears. I like the sound of the Sub 15 a lot and I have not, as yet, balanced it out. I was reluctant to buy, for $400, the PBK and I'm looking at other options, like the AntiMode, but I will one day balance it out. As is it is still pretty nice. I live in an apartment so my volume options are limited and since I just signed another years lease it will be at least a year before I can move to a home where I can crank it up the way I'd like.

If pure volume is what you're looking for there maybe better options but if sound quality is your goal the Sub 12/15/25 subs are right up there with the best.


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Can anyone comment on what the Sub12 would be like compared to the SVS PC-12 Plus or PB-12 Plus? I am a huge Paradigm fan, but I'm having a hell of a time choosing a sub, especially due to the cost of the new Paradigm subs.

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Hello Everyone

I have not been here in a while i love the new subs from paradigm, especially the sub 25. I still have not purchased a sub as of yet, I am waiting to hear the PB16 Ultra and I will be hearing the sub 25 this weekend. The only bad thing about the sub 25 it does not come in black oak veneer only piano blk.

I have not seen any reviews for the sub 15, if anyone knows a link please pass it on. Just got back from a vacation spent most of my sub money savings.

I wonder if 2 sub15 or 2 sub 25 would out perform a submersive? Any thoughts

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Saw a review of a studio 100v5 system that includes the sub 15 in their review at : "http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-studio-100-51-speaker-system-reviewed/"

I am more interested in reviews of the sub 12 if anyone knows of any, please post.

The SVS PB12 plus is probably more of a competitor for the sub 12. It is less expensive but does not have a room correction option. (They do have a single frequency PEQ which might help though). Two different philosophies...paradigm is getting their output with amplification (1700 W sustained) in a small package while SVS is getting their output with a larger size and considerably less amplification. I am wondering how they would compete with each other?
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Any reviews out for both SUB 12 and 15? I just purshased a set of Studio 60's and CC690 center, I'm looking for a sub that would fit well with that kit!

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I just picked up my second Sub 12 this afternoon! Can't wait to get her fired up! Sadly, I need another sub cable and a y-adaptor before I can hook it up, and I guess I'm at least a week out before I can receive these items from Monoprice. I'll give an update once I get everything connected and properly calibrated/eq'd.
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Any reviews out for both SUB 12 and 15?

I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.

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I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.


Nice Kal, thanks for the heads up, can't wait for it to show up in my mailbox...

I would assume that they included the PBK "Perfect Bass Kit" along with that for you to add into your review, a mini ARC version for subs only...
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I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.

Great! I look forward to it. When does that issue hit shelves?
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Nice Kal, thanks for the heads up, can't wait for it to show up in my mailbox...

I would assume that they included the PBK "Perfect Bass Kit" along with that for you to add into your review, a mini ARC version for subs only...

Mais, oui.

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