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post #631 of 831 Old 03-27-2011, 04:07 PM
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Ladies and Gents,
I just got my SUB15 on Friday... WOW! First of all, let me just say Paradigm is a company on top of it's game. I was quoted a mid-April delivery due to the SUB15 being on backorder... It arrived almost 3 weeks early, and was PERFECT. The wood grain and the match to my Rosenut 100's and 690 is very, very close. Fit and finish is outstanding. They clearly take a lot of pride in their work.

This thing is a beast! Of course I got PBK with it as my room is somewhat challenging, and I knew I'd need it. I placed it in the same place as my old Definitive PF15 so I'd have something to compare it to. After a first run with PBK to get accustomed to it, I ran it a 2nd time "for real". The unequalized response curve shows a large bump between 22hz - 35hz and then a pretty big dip at 55hz, 85hz and 115hz. The final result, after applying the PBK EQ is a very slight bump at 22hz then dead flat to about 150hz. The PBK readout doesn't show below 20hz, but there is clearly strong output below 20.

I auditioned it Friday with some music first, and thought is was a little muddy sounding and not very well defined. I wasn't too worried at that point because I still had to fine tune it with the crossover and phase controls. I also thought I may see improvement as it breaks in. After several hours of letting it play, it started to show big improvements. I watched Transformers II: Revenge of the Fallen yesterday afternoon after about 12 hours total of music both Friday and Saturday morning.

I can't even describe how I felt watching that movie - one I've seen at least half a dozen times on my system. There were points in the movie where I just laughed out loud, where I was hearing and FEELING low-frequency information I've never heard or FELT before. One scene, is in the beginning where where the Autobot "Sideswipe" somersaults over the Audi R8 Decepticon before splitting it down the middle. There was very strong audible low bass output, but there was also output I've never FELT before. It was vibrating my chest. There are several scenes like this throughout the movie that sounded and felt the same way. It was, in a word, mindblowing! At the end of the movie I was giddy, but completely drained. The SUB15 made it feel like I was watching this movie for the very first time.

The SUB15 is the real deal. I couldn't be happier!
i'm so jealous.......
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OK, major Sub Envy !
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Thanks for the kind responses. It is a truly amazing sub.
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Whats a decent price for a Sub 12 / 15 new ?

Would anyone have used Rosenut Sub 15 ?
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Subs for Home Theater use should be BLACK!!!
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Subs for Home Theater use should be BLACK!!!

Blk is Borrring...
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Blk is Borrring...

Well then, spray paint it bright orange. I guess you want it to "stand out."

Armando, you are correct sir ! For a dedicated home theater, black is wonderful (next best thing to in-wall or behind-the-screen). A FLAT black may be "boring" but it is less conspicuous even that "piano black." Ya want your theater room to be the least distracting as possible. If you have a nice living room and have a flat screen on the wall of a well-decorated room, hey, then I can see a fine rosenut finish on those floor-standing speakers. I have that as well as the dedicated theater room and each has its place.
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Whats a decent price for a Sub 12 / 15 new ?
And what would be the going rate for a used one
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a BIG thanks to Weird 23 (Studio 100's. CC690 and ADP590's) and SimpleTheater (Studio 10's)......... although my Salamander TV Stand won't be shipped until Monday, i have the main 7 speakers in my 7.2 configuration installed and the Marantz system powered! i simply ran Audessey in the Marantz and let Alice in Wonderland play while i was working on wiring the rack. once in awhile i'd walk back into the main finshed area where the movie was playing and i'd find myself stopping and listening to the movie........all i can say is WOW!

now if i could find a great price on a new or used Sub 15 or two..........
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Whats a decent price for a Sub 12 / 15 new ?
And what would be the going rate for a used one

You should be able to get 20-25% off of MSRP pretty easily.
Used units usually are listed at a few hundred off the above price.

When I bought my Sub 12 I went new because the price was only a few hundred more than the used ones on CAM. Plus with a new unit you get a warranty.
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You should be able to get 20-25% off of MSRP pretty easily.
Used units usually are listed at a few hundred off the above price.

When I bought my Sub 12 I went new because the price was only a few hundred more than the used ones on CAM. Plus with a new unit you get a warranty.

i have 4 dealers around me and NONE will give ANY discount period. if you can get that much of a discount you should buy out your dealers stock and resell them!

i was at one dealer and witnessed a new Signature package being purchased. it was over $20k and the dealer gave him NOTHING off even after the guy threatened to go elsewhere.

so don't bank on any discounts. i have been watching out for Rosenut Sub 15's or Sub 12's but haven't found anything used or demo'd.
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a BIG thanks to Weird 23 (Studio 100's. CC690 and ADP590's) and SimpleTheater (Studio 10's)......... although my Salamander TV Stand won't be shipped until Monday, i have the main 7 speakers in my 7.2 configuration installed and the Marantz system powered! i simply ran Audessey in the Marantz and let Alice in Wonderland play while i was working on wiring the rack. once in awhile i'd walk back into the main finshed area where the movie was playing and i'd find myself stopping and listening to the movie........all i can say is WOW!

now if i could find a great price on a new or used Sub 15 or two..........

I glad your enjoying them and thank you. If everything goes according to plan I should be ordering a Sub 1 in a couple of weeks, let me know if your interested in my Sub 15.
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Most of paradigm stuff should be available at 30% + off list.
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I glad your enjoying them and thank you. If everything goes according to plan I should be ordering a Sub 1 in a couple of weeks, let me know if your interested in my Sub 15.

if it too is rosenut and the price is right.......absolutely!

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Most of paradigm stuff should be available at 30% + off list.

you find me Sub 12 or Sub 15 in Rosenut brand new for 30% off and i'll buy 2! sorry, but i disagree.......
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Most of paradigm stuff should be available at 30% + off list.

Maybe from a dealer that's going (or wants to go) out of buisness.
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Oh Well!!! PM is always an option
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You should be able to get 20-25% off of MSRP pretty easily.
Used units usually are listed at a few hundred off the above price.

When I bought my Sub 12 I went new because the price was only a few hundred more than the used ones on CAM. Plus with a new unit you get a warranty.

a guy with a sub 15 1yr old in ottawa asking $2200, but i think thats a little much. NO ?
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$1900ish in Canada if you have a good relationship with your dealer you will get a way better price my 2 cost me $1583taxes in each.

You bought 2 12 for this ?
Where did you buy ?
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You bought 2 12 for this ?
Where did you buy ?

$1583 taxes included EACH
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Actually the MSRP in USA is lower than Canada, I believe the Sub 12 is between $2000-2100 MSRP if I recall. Yes, we pay for in Canada for products that are made in our own country

WE get ****ed for everything in this Country !!!
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$1583 taxes included EACH

what store did you get it from ?
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[quote="motogp34"]

what store did you get it from ?[/QUOTE

W A V
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just down the street from me, LOL
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Go in see what price they will give you.
I get good deals because I buy $50-$100,000 a year off them I build custom theater rooms and have dealt strictly with them for over 10 years now for all the gear.
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WE get ****ed for everything in this Country !!!

K-I-S-S ed ?
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When I was shopping for speakers the Paradigm dealer was the only one that would not give a discount off of MSRP.

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Coming from dual Sub 12's, sorry to say, but it would be absolutely ridiculous to pay anywhere near the current retail IMHO. Only if you can get one lightly used for about half off would I recommend the Sub 12, or any of the Sub XX series for that matter. Much better performance can be had for a fraction of the cost. Go online...
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i'm about ready to ignore some of the negative and concentrate on the positive post about audiophileliquidators!

$2100 for a new Sub 15 and $1600 for a new Sub 12.....
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i'm about ready to ignore some of the negative and concentrate on the positive post about audiophileliquidators!

$2100 for a new Sub 15 and $1600 for a new Sub 12.....
That's a good price, go for the 15.
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