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I don't know if you guys know or not, but there are firmware updates for the PBK-1 and the SUB-12.

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http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/downloads.php

What does the update do?
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What does the update do?

I'm not sure. The guy I buy all my equipment through told me about it. I haven't checked into it yet because I'm in the middle of a HT build and I'll have to do my setup again once I'm finished. If you want to wait 2 weeks I'll be able to tell you then.
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I'm not sure what's up with Paradigm's site but I purchased the PBK-1 to go with my Sub-25 in December and the software version with that was 1.2.0 which is higher then the website so they do not appear to be posting the correct version to the website. What version was people's PBK-1 at prior to 1.04? Was it 1.03? I'm curious to know if I'm the only one with a much higher version number and whether that's because my unit is so new.

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I downloaded my PBK software directly from the website ~7-8 months ago and it is v1.2.0. I also updated both of my Sub 12's upon initial setup. I think the first sub was sometime in July and the second in October. I have no idea what firmware versions they are or how to even check. I guess one of us should contact Paradigm to find out what the current versions are, and maybe get some sort of breakdown of all the different versions. I'd like to know if the latest versions provide any worthwhile improvements. Maybe I should email Paradigm...

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Corrected- It's actually v1.2, not v1.02 like I originally posted.
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The current version of the PBK software is v1.04, which is available on their site now. You can check the version of your software by clicking the "About" button on the initial screen after launching the program.

Here is the PBK change log:

v1.04:
1. Added support for windows 7.

v1.03:
1. Added support for several new Paradigm subwoofers:
Signature Sub 1
Signature Sub 2
DSP Sub 3100
DSP Sub 3200
DSP Sub 3400
SE Sub
Ultra Cube 10
Ultra Cube 12

2. Minor changes to the error messages to help clarify what is causing the problem.

3. Added a check to ensure the subwoofer that is connected has been upgraded to the minimum required version.

v1.02.0:

1. Various bug fixes for the installation process.

2. Various bug fixes to PBK.

3. Added support for the Seismic 110 subwoofer

4. Uses vista compatible device driver.

v1.1.1:

1. Further improved vista Compatibility. (Errors relating to "Could not find valid microphone, check connection.")

v1.1.0:

1. Fixed bug in the measurement algorithm for low frequencies. If you open a file that was measured with an older version then v1.1.0 then it will automatically correct for the error in the measurements. You will still need to re-upload the calibration data to your subwoofer.

2. Improved Vista compatibility.

3. Various bug fixes.
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The current version of the PBK software is v1.04, which is available on their site now. You can check the version of your software by clicking the "About" button on the initial screen after launching the program.

Here is the PBK change log:

v1.04:
1. Added support for windows 7.

v1.03:
1. Added support for several new Paradigm subwoofers:
Signature Sub 1
Signature Sub 2
DSP Sub 3100
DSP Sub 3200
DSP Sub 3400
SE Sub
Ultra Cube 10
Ultra Cube 12

2. Minor changes to the error messages to help clarify what is causing the problem.

3. Added a check to ensure the subwoofer that is connected has been upgraded to the minimum required version.

v1.02.0:

1. Various bug fixes for the installation process.

2. Various bug fixes to PBK.

3. Added support for the Seismic 110 subwoofer

4. Uses vista compatible device driver.

v1.1.1:

1. Further improved vista Compatibility. (Errors relating to "Could not find valid microphone, check connection.")

v1.1.0:

1. Fixed bug in the measurement algorithm for low frequencies. If you open a file that was measured with an older version then v1.1.0 then it will automatically correct for the error in the measurements. You will still need to re-upload the calibration data to your subwoofer.

2. Improved Vista compatibility.

3. Various bug fixes.

Does 1.02.0 = 1.2.0?

Looks like if you are up to at least v1.2.0, you are ok. 1.03 & 1.04 basically only add support for other sub models and Windows 7.

Do you have a breakdown of the individual sub firmware updates? (ie. Sub 12) And, any idea how to check the firmware version?

Btw, thanks for the info!!!
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If the sub doesn't have the compatible firmware, the PBK software will inform you. But, you can just download the latest firmware and run it if you wanted to. I can't remember if it tells you what the sub's current firmware version is prior to running, though. I don't know the specifics of what changes the latest sub firmware includes.
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If the sub doesn't have the compatible firmware, the PBK software will inform you. But, you can just download the latest firmware and run it if you wanted to. I can't remember if it tells you what the sub's current firmware version is prior to running, though. I don't know the specifics of what changes the latest sub firmware includes.

OK... Thanks.

Btw,

Does v1.02.0 = v1.2.0?
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OK... Thanks.

Btw,

Does v1.02.0 = v1.2.0?

I'm 99% sure it does.
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It would be so easy for me to simply give my review of my new Sub12 in
one word...and the word would be awesome.

But that would take all the fun out of some of the incredible descriptions I have for the sub.

I'll start off with fit and finish. I purchased the Rosenut finish based on how that finish looks on the Studio 10s I have at my store look. I also have a red brick fireplace in the room, and it is a nice match. The build quality is excellent. The finish is stunning and the curved shape make it look significantly more stylish that my old PW2200 (retired 5 years ago).

The size is really nice as well as it is not as big as the Servo15 or the PW2200...but is still weighs a ton and moving it around is a big of a chore. But then again, I also have a NAD M25 power amp the weigh in just under 100 lbs, so that sub was actually easier to move than that.

There is definitely a break in period with this sub. I knew the from the one we use in my store, but right out of the box you can tell it is lacking on the really deep bass.

Now, after two weeks of proud ownership, this thing is awesome. When properly tuned in with both volume, crossover, and phase, it give you a visceral experience when called upon.

I'll start off with the power and impact of the sub. During the dragon fight scene in Harry Potter And the Goblet of Fire, the thuds the dragons tail make hit you very hard in the chest, but doesn't linger around either. The travel that the woofer has is amazing to watch.

Watching the woofer move hyperactively during Cloverfield was astonishing. It has incredible travel, yet maintains tight control. But I think the performance of the Sub12 that astounded me the most was its speed. It is very very fast. I still remember the performance of my PW2200. Lots of boom but slightly sloppy. Not with the Sub12.

Watching a scene from Live Free or Die Hard, Ronin or T3 where they are using heavy machine gun fire, the Sub12 is able to keep up with each shot. It literally can feel like somebody tapping you in the chest with the palm of their hand. I personally found that to be the most impressive.

So my conclusion is that the Sub12 is an amazing piece of equipment and that it has transformed my movie watching great to phenomenal.

Next, adding the second when the basement construction is completed.

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It would be so easy for me to simply give my review of my new Sub12 in
one word...and the word would be awesome.

But that would take all the fun out of some of the incredible descriptions I have for the sub.

I'll start off with fit and finish. I purchased the Rosenut finish based on how that finish looks on the Studio 10s I have at my store look. I also have a red brick fireplace in the room, and it is a nice match. The build quality is excellent. The finish is stunning and the curved shape make it look significantly more stylish that my old PW2200 (retired 5 years ago).

The size is really nice as well as it is not as big as the Servo15 or the PW2200...but is still weighs a ton and moving it around is a big of a chore. But then again, I also have a NAD M25 power amp the weigh in just under 100 lbs, so that sub was actually easier to move than that.

There is definitely a break in period with this sub. I knew the from the one we use in my store, but right out of the box you can tell it is lacking on the really deep bass.

Now, after two weeks of proud ownership, this thing is awesome. When properly tuned in with both volume, crossover, and phase, it give you a visceral experience when called upon.

I'll start off with the power and impact of the sub. During the dragon fight scene in Harry Potter And the Goblet of Fire, the thuds the dragons tail make hit you very hard in the chest, but doesn't linger around either. The travel that the woofer has is amazing to watch.

Watching the woofer move hyperactively during Cloverfield was astonishing. It has incredible travel, yet maintains tight control. But I think the performance of the Sub12 that astounded me the most was its speed. It is very very fast. I still remember the performance of my PW2200. Lots of boom but slightly sloppy. Not with the Sub12.

Watching a scene from Live Free or Die Hard, Ronin or T3 where they are using heavy machine gun fire, the Sub12 is able to keep up with each shot. It literally can feel like somebody tapping you in the chest with the palm of their hand. I personally found that to be the most impressive.

So my conclusion is that the Sub12 is an amazing piece of equipment and that it has transformed my movie watching great to phenomenal.

Next, adding the second when the basement construction is completed.

nice, do you plan to add a second sub 12? did you use the pbk-1?

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It would be so easy for me to simply give my review of my new Sub12 in
one word...and the word would be awesome.

But that would take all the fun out of some of the incredible descriptions I have for the sub.

I'll start off with fit and finish. I purchased the Rosenut finish based on how that finish looks on the Studio 10s I have at my store look. I also have a red brick fireplace in the room, and it is a nice match. The build quality is excellent. The finish is stunning and the curved shape make it look significantly more stylish that my old PW2200 (retired 5 years ago).

The size is really nice as well as it is not as big as the Servo15 or the PW2200...but is still weighs a ton and moving it around is a big of a chore. But then again, I also have a NAD M25 power amp the weigh in just under 100 lbs, so that sub was actually easier to move than that.

There is definitely a break in period with this sub. I knew the from the one we use in my store, but right out of the box you can tell it is lacking on the really deep bass.

Now, after two weeks of proud ownership, this thing is awesome. When properly tuned in with both volume, crossover, and phase, it give you a visceral experience when called upon.

I'll start off with the power and impact of the sub. During the dragon fight scene in Harry Potter And the Goblet of Fire, the thuds the dragons tail make hit you very hard in the chest, but doesn't linger around either. The travel that the woofer has is amazing to watch.

Watching the woofer move hyperactively during Cloverfield was astonishing. It has incredible travel, yet maintains tight control. But I think the performance of the Sub12 that astounded me the most was its speed. It is very very fast. I still remember the performance of my PW2200. Lots of boom but slightly sloppy. Not with the Sub12.

Watching a scene from Live Free or Die Hard, Ronin or T3 where they are using heavy machine gun fire, the Sub12 is able to keep up with each shot. It literally can feel like somebody tapping you in the chest with the palm of their hand. I personally found that to be the most impressive.

So my conclusion is that the Sub12 is an amazing piece of equipment and that it has transformed my movie watching great to phenomenal.

Next, adding the second when the basement construction is completed.

Congrats! Glad you are enjoying it. I'm very happy with my duals.

Btw,

Just curious, where do you have it placed within your setup? And, what kind of setting did you end up with for your phase? I haven't experimented as much as I would have liked with my phase settings. It's a little tricky when you are flying solo. I have both of mine set to 0 in their current locations, just to the inside of my left and right fronts. Thoughts?

I'd like to see some updated pics of your setup?
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Hi everyone, I'm considering buying a Sub 12 in the near future. Thanks for posting all the info on this sub.

Are you guys running PBK and then Audyssey (or whatever room correction your processor has) both before and after your sub's break in period? Does the PBK measurement curve change much after break in?

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It would be so easy for me to simply give my review of my new Sub12 in
one word...and the word would be awesome.

But that would take all the fun out of some of the incredible descriptions I have for the sub.

I'll start off with fit and finish. I purchased the Rosenut finish based on how that finish looks on the Studio 10s I have at my store look. I also have a red brick fireplace in the room, and it is a nice match. The build quality is excellent. The finish is stunning and the curved shape make it look significantly more stylish that my old PW2200 (retired 5 years ago).

The size is really nice as well as it is not as big as the Servo15 or the PW2200...but is still weighs a ton and moving it around is a big of a chore. But then again, I also have a NAD M25 power amp the weigh in just under 100 lbs, so that sub was actually easier to move than that.

There is definitely a break in period with this sub. I knew the from the one we use in my store, but right out of the box you can tell it is lacking on the really deep bass.

Now, after two weeks of proud ownership, this thing is awesome. When properly tuned in with both volume, crossover, and phase, it give you a visceral experience when called upon.

I'll start off with the power and impact of the sub. During the dragon fight scene in Harry Potter And the Goblet of Fire, the thuds the dragons tail make hit you very hard in the chest, but doesn't linger around either. The travel that the woofer has is amazing to watch.

Watching the woofer move hyperactively during Cloverfield was astonishing. It has incredible travel, yet maintains tight control. But I think the performance of the Sub12 that astounded me the most was its speed. It is very very fast. I still remember the performance of my PW2200. Lots of boom but slightly sloppy. Not with the Sub12.

Watching a scene from Live Free or Die Hard, Ronin or T3 where they are using heavy machine gun fire, the Sub12 is able to keep up with each shot. It literally can feel like somebody tapping you in the chest with the palm of their hand. I personally found that to be the most impressive.

So my conclusion is that the Sub12 is an amazing piece of equipment and that it has transformed my movie watching great to phenomenal.

Next, adding the second when the basement construction is completed.

Thanks for the great review. I am still lusting after one of these but for now I am making due with my DSP 3200.
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Upgraded to the SUB-12 recently with PBK and it sounded just right without break-in - 10'x9' mini bijou.
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Upgraded to the SUB-12 recently with PBK and it sounded just right without break-in - 10'x9' mini bijou.

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Yes but don't know how to do it. If you send me a PM, i'll send to your private email. Until i put in the SUB 12 with PBK, i never had the correct bass. Out went the SVS PB12 Ultra, also replaced the Revel C30 with the C52 and replaced MK rears with Revel M22's. A few changes and now a fairly small room with great sound and a large soundfield. Throughout the years you read articles in the mags on how to set up a home theater - everyone thinks you need a large room. Truth is, a tiny bedroom can have awesome sound with good gear and when done the right way.
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Whats a good movie to give the sub 12 a work out?
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Terminator Salvation was utterly stupendous for bass. I had to get up at the Harvester scene and make some adjustments as it was too overwhelming.

I have yet to PBK my sub and doing a frequency sweep (200hz to 20hz) there are some serious peaks and valleys around 80hz and 40hz that need to be smoothed out.

I'll tell ya, this sub astounds me all the time. And when I watched TS I was again shocked at how good the sub can be. Can't wait till next year when the second will be added.

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Terminator Salvation was utterly stupendous for bass. I had to get up at the Harvester scene and make some adjustments as it was too overwhelming.

I have yet to PBK my sub and doing a frequency sweep (200hz to 20hz) there are some serious peaks and valleys around 80hz and 40hz that need to be smoothed out.

I'll tell ya, this sub astounds me all the time. And when I watched TS I was again shocked at how good the sub can be. Can't wait till next year when the second will be added.

how long does it take to run the pbk? please post some before and after impressions.

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I'm a Sub25 owner but the process is the same. It only takes about 5 minutes, if that to do the calibration. It took me longer to setup the mic and stand and reposition for the multiple tests then it took the software actually to perform the tests.

For me the difference was night and day. I ran the Sub25 for a few weeks without the PBK because they were on back order when I placed the order. During those few weeks I honestly thought I made a mistake in getting the Sub25 because it was just to powerful and to loud. My Lexicon MC-12BV5EQ could not even tame this thing with it's own EQ. The sub volume was set as low as it could go in the Lex without actually being off and I set my bass peak limiters to 75db, again as low as they could go and this thing was still one the verge of tearing my apartment apart. It was scary. Once I did the PBK calibration and then re-ran my Lex EQ, it was like I had a completely different sub. I was able to raise the peak limiters up to 90db to match my 2 Servo 15s and the volume in the Lex was able to be raised to the same level as the 2 Servos. The sound was incredibly solid, only loud when it was supposed to be and frequency dips were silky smooth. I was almost speachless at the change this little calibration package made.

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Hey everyone. After reading all your positive comments about the Sub 12 I went to my local Paradigm dealer last weekend with the intention of buying one. I wound up buying their demo model Sub 15 for what I regarded as a pretty decent price. So far I love this thing. I'm going to be rewatching allot of blurays to hear what I've been missing. I'm very impressed with the performance so far.

Being a demo I know its been on the floor for a while but not too long since this model just came out last year. Anybody have any ideas when serial number 10000 was produced (mine's numbered just above 10000)? If you recently bought a Sub 15 approximately what SN did you get? I'm just curious how old my Sub 15 might be.

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Hey everyone. After reading all your positive comments about the Sub 12 I went to my local Paradigm dealer last weekend with the intention of buying one. I wound up buying their demo model Sub 15 for what I regarded as a pretty decent price. So far I love this thing. I'm going to be rewatching allot of blurays to hear what I've been missing. I'm very impressed with the performance so far.

Being a demo I know its been on the floor for a while but not too long since this model just came out last year. Anybody have any ideas when serial number 10000 was produced (mine's numbered just above 10000)? If you recently bought a Sub 15 approximately what SN did you get? I'm just curious how old my Sub 15 might be.

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I have a Paradigm Servo 15. Considering getting a sub 12 or sub 15. Anybody make the same transition? Any feedback as far as was it comparable performance, better, worse?


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I have a Paradigm Servo 15. Considering getting a sub 12 or sub 15. Anybody make the same transition? Any feedback as far as was it comparable performance, better, worse?


I did but I could not make an A/B comparison because I'd parted with the Servo 15 a few years earlier. Still, my subjective opinion is that the new Sub 15 is better than the 2001 vintage Servo 15 and that's saying a lot because the Servo 15 was no slouch...


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I did but I could not make an A/B comparison because I'd parted with the Servo 15 a few years earlier. Still, my subjective opinion is that the new Sub 15 is better than the 2001 vintage Servo 15 and that's saying a lot because the Servo 15 was no slouch...


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that cant good for paradigm's sub 25 sales

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