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View Poll Results: Disregarding price, which subwoofer overall, in your opinion, is superior?
SVS PB13-Ultra 19 51.35%
JL Audio Fathom f113 18 48.65%
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post #151 of 169 Old 04-01-2009, 08:35 AM
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I have yet to find anyone who can point to an actual dealer that offers deals remotely close to that suggested above. The $2,300 price belongs in that movie "Big Fish".

Not in singapore....

US is a different story, I got offered that price..... I bought the F112, which I love.

I should be getting my first audition of the Ultra13, and I'm excited....
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i am considering between these 2 subs. it seems to me that the svs no longer has the problem of looking uglier. in fact the newest svs pb13-ultra looks beautiful to me in oak. it is no longer gynormous compared to the fathom 113. and it has a new amp. it does seem to be quite inconvenient to get to the controls on the svs, which now are not only on the back, but have to be accessed through a tiny lcd screen. i have a large listening room - around 7000 cu ft, which i understand biases towards the svs. the fathom does not seem to be upgraded. so a used fathom would be the latest model. a used fathom 113 is only a few hundred dollars more than a new model svs pb 113-ultra. has anyone bought the latest pb13-ultra (summer, 2010)? if so, could you please comment on why you chose it and why you prefered it over the fathom. if you bought a fathom recently, could you please comment why? thanks
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I thought I would bring this thread back to life again! I am in the same situation, ordered up the F113 now dithering that I might be wasting my money! I already have a PB13 Ultra and I have sanded it it down to natural oak! I am thinking maybe I should keep the Ultra and get it spray painted to suit my room.


I'm mostly a movie man and absolutely love the Ultra, my friend bought the F112 and it is stunning, it gives out a lot more midd bass punch which I like, it doesn't dig as deep as the 13 Ultra, I was hoping the 113 would hit the lows like the Ultra, now after reading this thread I am not so sure.

Thoughts welcome?
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Hey smile.gif

How much is the F113? Could you get another PB13 Ultra instead?

Going from what I've read the JLs are awesome, but are they ££££ more awesome...?!

I think you should wait for the F113 to arrive and then test it at home - if you're not keen then I'm sure you will find a buyer for it!
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For me as the owner of SVS PB-13 Ultra, I think JL F113 is a little better. It has a little more punchy bass
If asked if JL 113 is worth paying double the price.. I would say "no" ... You'd get better / tangible bass by bringing in another PB-13 ultra.
it definitely will rock your house.
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For me as the owner of SVS PB-13 Ultra, I think JL F113 is a little better. It has a little more punchy bass
If asked if JL 113 is worth paying double the price.. I would say "no" ... You'd get better / tangible bass by bringing in another PB-13 ultra.
it definitely will rock your house.

After living with the F113 for a few weeks, I would say the JL is on another planet against the PB13 Ultra, the Ultra is a great sub at an Incredible price, my opinion is that the F113 brings a lot more to the party, it's more musical, tighter, and more punchier, it also digs around about the same as the PB13 Ultra.

Is the JL worth twice as much as the SVS, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's a difficult one! If you where able to pick up an JL for say $600 / $800 more than an Ultra then I would say its a no brainier. That's what I have done and I won't be going back to the Ultra.
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For me as the owner of SVS PB-13 Ultra, I think JL F113 is a little better. It has a little more punchy bass<br>
If asked if JL 113 is worth paying double the price.. I would say "no" ... You'd get better / tangible bass by bringing in another PB-13 ultra.<br>
it definitely will rock your house.</div>
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After living with the F113 for a few weeks, I would say the JL is on another planet against the PB13 Ultra, the Ultra is a great sub at an Incredible price, my opinion is that the F113 brings a lot more to the party, it's more musical, tighter, and more punchier, it also digs around about the same as the PB13 Ultra.<br><br>
Is the JL worth twice as much as the SVS, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, that's a difficult one! If you where able to pick up an JL for say $600 / $800 more than an Ultra then I would say its a no brainier. That's what I have done and I won't be going back to the Ultra.
3 years lateR:

Anyone care to "refresh" this friendly competition : JL Audio F113v2 vs PB-13 Ultra (2015 edition. Gloss Black)?

Any side by side pictures for size comparison?
The Fathom is a LOT smaller and more musical, yet the CEA-2010 tests I've seen put it only 2-3 dB behind the huge ported SVS!
Worth the added price?
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can someone compare the new ones please
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is there a comparison between the sealed SB13U and the JL F113?
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Anybody on here with dual SVS subs ever paired a PB with a PC from the same series?

Example:
PB12-Plus with PC12-Plus

Or

PB13-Ultra with PC13-Ultra


Thoughts? I called SVS yesterday and asked them about the differences between the two... they told me that in general, the cylinders tend to be about 1 db lower in output... otherwise, same frequency response, and you get the benefit of floor isolation.

I never thought to ask them about mixing-and-matching though. With them being so similar, I think I could... this seems like it might be the optimal configuration for my room, with a traditional "box" along the front wall and a cylinder caddy-corner on the back wall... it would really work, for my needs. Anyone want to discourage me from this course of action?
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Anybody on here with dual SVS subs ever paired a PB with a PC from the same series?

Example:
PB12-Plus with PC12-Plus

Or

PB13-Ultra with PC13-Ultra


Thoughts? I called SVS yesterday and asked them about the differences between the two... they told me that in general, the cylinders tend to be about 1 db lower in output... otherwise, same frequency response, and you get the benefit of floor isolation.

I never thought to ask them about mixing-and-matching though. With them being so similar, I think I could... this seems like it might be the optimal configuration for my room, with a traditional "box" along the front wall and a cylinder caddy-corner on the back wall... it would really work, for my needs. Anyone want to discourage me from this course of action?

Hi,

I have both the PC13-Ultra (2 actually) and the PB13-Ultra in my system, and they work just fine together. SVS reports a one Hz difference in the port tune (15Hz for the PC and 14Hz for the PB). That's quasi-anechoic, so they will both go lower than that in-room. The PB is also about one db louder than the PC, in my opinion. But neither of those differences is distinguishable when they are played together. There is no audible difference in the nature or quality of the sound, just a very slight output difference.

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Hi,

I have both the PC13-Ultra (2 actually) and the PB13-Ultra in my system, and they work just fine together. SVS reports a one Hz difference in the port tune (15Hz for the PC and 14Hz for the PB). That's quasi-anechoic, so they will both go lower than that in-room. The PB is also about one db louder than the PC, in my opinion. But neither of those differences is distinguishable when they are played together. There is no audible difference in the nature or quality of the sound, just a very slight output difference.

Regards,
Mike
Awesome. Thanks so much for the input.

I'm likely going to end up with two Plus's, rather than two Ultra's, due to financial limitations. But I'm sure similar logic applies here as well. Again, thanks so much for the first-hand testimony.
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Awesome. Thanks so much for the input.

I'm likely going to end up with two Plus's, rather than two Ultra's, due to financial limitations. But I'm sure similar logic applies here as well. Again, thanks so much for the first-hand testimony.

You are very welcome! If it helps, I had three Pluses, in the same configuration (two PC's and one PB) before upgrading to Ultras. They worked fine together, too.
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Ok. What about sound quality between the SB13U sealed and the F113? I keep hearing about the musicality of the JL subs, (but those are usually more so on the f112 and not the f113). How does the SB13U stack up there? Also, would it take 2 of the SVS subs to match the output of the JL?
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Ok. What about sound quality between the SB13U sealed and the F113? I keep hearing about the musicality of the JL subs, (but those are usually more so on the f112 and not the f113). How does the SB13U stack up there? Also, would it take 2 of the SVS subs to match the output of the JL?
Hi,

It doesn't appear that anyone else is going to try to help you with this, so I will take a stab at it. First, since this thread started in 2009, there have been a lot of blind tests done with both ported and sealed subs, and people have not been reliably able to identify one from the other when playing at equivalent volumes. And there are more fundamental differences between ported and sealed subs than there are differences among various sealed subs. So, as far as musicality is concerned, I would be very surprised if you could detect even subtle differences between the SB-Ultra and the F113. The F113 might have slightly more output than the SB, but the differences there would be pretty modest, IMO.

As a general rule, when comparing sealed and ported subs, from the same maker for instance, sealed subs are smaller, lighter in weight, have better WAF, and cost less. Ported subs, are bigger, heavier, and more costly to engineer and build. Sealed subs generally have more output from about 50Hz and up, where demands on the sub's amp are less. So, for music involving acoustical instruments, they work extremely well, and give lots of chest punch (typically mid-bass, from about 50Hz to 100Hz). Ported subs can be tuned to have lower frequency extension and play much louder below about 50Hz than their sealed counterparts. So, depending on room size and listening volumes, they can be a better choice for HT, despite their larger size and cost.

If your goals are primarily acoustical music and HT at moderate volumes, a sealed sub should be a good choice for you, and there shouldn't be any meaningful difference between the two subs you asked about. If output is a consideration, the PB13 will produce much more volume below about 50Hz than either of the two sealed subs. Would you hear a sound quality difference between a sealed sub and a ported sub? Perhaps, but again, I am not aware of any blind tests that would confirm our ability to do so. So, moderate output--just pick a good sealed sub and either choice should be fine. High output--go with a PB13. Incidentally, Data-Bass has measurements of output at various frequencies if you would like to compare: http://www.data-bass.com/systems

I hope this is helpful.

Regards,
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Hi,

It doesn't appear that anyone else is going to try to help you with this, so I will take a stab at it. First, since this thread started in 2009, there have been a lot of blind tests done with both ported and sealed subs, and people have not been reliably able to identify one from the other when playing at equivalent volumes. And there are more fundamental differences between ported and sealed subs than there are differences among various sealed subs. So, as far as musicality is concerned, I would be very surprised if you could detect even subtle differences between the SB-Ultra and the F113. The F113 might have slightly more output than the SB, but the differences there would be pretty modest, IMO.

As a general rule, when comparing sealed and ported subs, from the same maker for instance, sealed subs are smaller, lighter in weight, have better WAF, and cost less. Ported subs, are bigger, heavier, and more costly to engineer and build. Sealed subs generally have more output from about 50Hz and up, where demands on the sub's amp are less. So, for music involving acoustical instruments, they work extremely well, and give lots of chest punch (typically mid-bass, from about 50Hz to 100Hz). Ported subs can be tuned to have lower frequency extension and play much louder below about 50Hz than their sealed counterparts. So, depending on room size and listening volumes, they can be a better choice for HT, despite their larger size and cost.

If your goals are primarily acoustical music and HT at moderate volumes, a sealed sub should be a good choice for you, and there shouldn't be any meaningful difference between the two subs you asked about. If output is a consideration, the PB13 will produce much more volume below about 50Hz than either of the two sealed subs. Would you hear a sound quality difference between a sealed sub and a ported sub? Perhaps, but again, I am not aware of any blind tests that would confirm our ability to do so. So, moderate output--just pick a good sealed sub and either choice should be fine. High output--go with a PB13. Incidentally, Data-Bass has measurements of output at various frequencies if you would like to compare: http://www.data-bass.com/systems

I hope this is helpful.

Regards,
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Wow. Thanks for this response!

I am still a few months out before I buy a new sub so i am trying to get as much info as i can now... I really want to pair this sub with some Aerial Acoustics speakers and ow dilemma something as clean and articulate as a I can, while still giving me that HT slam that I want. (I am deployed right now so i wont even know where I am going to live until i get back so I can't give much info on room size, layout, etc...)
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Wow. Thanks for this response!

I am still a few months out before I buy a new sub so i am trying to get as much info as i can now... I really want to pair this sub with some Aerial Acoustics speakers and ow dilemma something as clean and articulate as a I can, while still giving me that HT slam that I want. (I am deployed right now so i wont even know where I am going to live until i get back so I can't give much info on room size, layout, etc...)

You are very welcome, and thank you for your service! I understand how much fun it is to anticipate a new audio system by doing research and planning it in your head. FWIW, once you are ready to buy, SVS offers a 45-day trial period with free return shipping. So, that would be a great way to try something to find out what really works best for you.

Regards,
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