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Turn it down, move it around.


Six inches can make a hell of a difference in room modes. When it sounds better, turn it up, but don't let it distort. I was happy in my previous room with gain at 3. In my new rom, I run it at 6.
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I had mine in two very different rooms--soon to be hooked up in a third--and IIRC I could never get Audyssey within limits with the gain set more than a hair above 3.
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No reply here, just looking for proper tuning help. I've had the F12 for about a year, sounds boomy to me.

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Mostly for movies/cable. Enough power to shake the windows, for sure, but drowns out the talking sometimes. When kids put on Cartoon Network or Disney XD, the bass drowns out everything. WTF??

Please provide a recommendation for setup on the sub (phase, crossover, gain, digital vs pro-logic) as well as on the receiver (crossover setting, etc.)

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Hey just wondering right now I have one single F12 and was thinking about getting another F12 (dual sub) OR should I just sell the F12 I have now and put it toward a better sub such as a HSU Or SVS. btw I could get another F12 for about 130 bucks on ebay (local) brand new. So dont know if its worth getting rid of my F12 or just dropping 130 for another F12. Thanks
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Hey just wondering right now I have one single F12 and was thinking about getting another F12 (dual sub) OR should I just sell the F12 I have now and put it toward a better sub such as a HSU Or SVS. btw I could get another F12 for about 130 bucks on ebay (local) brand new. So dont know if its worth getting rid of my F12 or just dropping 130 for another F12. Thanks

Two is better than one, because they can smooth out room modes (peaks and nulls at the listening position). Gain on each would be lowered to maintain the same overall volume, but the bass would be smoother. If you're ready to upgrade to HSU, you might go the next step and check out the DIY threads, particularly the "Martysub" thread. You should be able to build two HSU-killing "Marty" subs for the price of one HSU.


I have the F12, but my son has two HSU 15s. There is no comparison, other thatn "wow!" so now I am in the process of building my own subs.

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Two is better than one, because they can smooth out room modes (peaks and nulls at the listening position). Gain on each would be lowered to maintain the same overall volume, but the bass would be smoother. If you're ready to upgrade to HSU, you might go the next step and check out the DIY threads, particularly the "Martysub" thread. You should be able to build two HSU-killing "Marty" subs for the price of one HSU.


I have the F12, but my son has two HSU 15s. There is no comparison, other thatn "wow!" so now I am in the process of building my own subs.
Yeah was really thinking just getting another F12 just to balance out the room. Maybe in the future, will upgrade my sub to a much better sub. At the price I could get another F12 why not.
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Just ordered a F-12 to hold me over untill I build some dedicated MBM`s and ULF`s..........I have 7 FH6-LCR`s, so why not keep it matched....
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I'm in the process of revamping my setup and while I'm surprisingly happy with my little SW8 Pioneer sub (because it actually does the job) for little money...I want the sub to dip below the 30s.

The best my sub will do is 2hz lower than the FS52 Pioneer towers I use. How much better is the F12? Is the PL200 that much better.

Since the room plays a big role in all of this I wonder how the lil engine that could plays well for a 20 X 15 X 15ft high room that has a dining room opening. I know I'm missing the best of the low frequencies.


I think I paid $88 for that sub.

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IMHO, there is not a huge difference in the 2.........


200 compared to 300 bucks, I am pretty sure you are not getting 100 bucks more performance.

I have 3, f-12`s and a pl-200.

I would get one f-12 before a pl-200 and would get 2 f-12`s before a pl-200.


You get a little more power and 2 or 3 extra hz..........the pl-200 is a better performer, but not 100 bucks better.


Going from what you have to the f-12 will be like adding 4 more of those 8 inchers..........going with 2 f-12`s would be oustanding !

At 200 bucks the f-12 is a super value....at 300 bucks the pl-200 is one of many choices and not the best.

The only 2 other budget contenders are the dayton audio 12 incher for 130 bucks on sale right now at parts express..........or the 15 incher from dayton for 200 bucks.

One thing to keep in mind is the crazy long 5 year warranty from bic....they are pretty confident the f-12 will hold up............

The f-12 is a heavy hitter for 200 bucks new with a great warranty...mine have taken some abuse over the 1500 plus hours of loud movies and long music sessions........they might have closer to 2000 hours on them since only the project has a hour meter and it is pushing close to 1400 hours now or room rattling movie effects pushed thru them.

I would say the f-12 is top of the pile when it comes to the 200 buck subs.

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does the f12 go down to 25 like the specs say?
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One thing to keep in mind is the crazy long 5 year warranty from bic....they are pretty confident the f-12 will hold up............

The f-12 is a heavy hitter for 200 bucks new with a great warranty...mine have taken some abuse over the 1500 plus hours of loud movies and long music sessions........they might have closer to 2000 hours on them since only the project has a hour meter and it is pushing close to 1400 hours now or room rattling movie effects pushed thru them.

I would say the f-12 is top of the pile when it comes to the 200 buck subs.

I bought mine in December of 2010. It's still pounding after 6-1/2 years.
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does the f12 go down to 25 like the specs say?

Here's a recent sweep of mine.







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does the f12 go down to 25 like the specs say?

Measured directly at the cone, which is close to how it is rated....yes.

In your room is anyones guess.......my room,my sub location takes me down to 23 ish or so where it drops off 5 db......measured at the cone it is pretty much identical to advertised specs.


It is a solid sub and I doubt you will find much better for 200 bucks new.

If one of mine blew up, I would buy another as I am perfectly happy with what it does.

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