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A quick setup question. In my house I'm limited to placing the sub in the corner behind my entertainment center. Does anyone have any suggestions about which direction to face the sub? Driver into the corner or port into the corner? I know that getting good sound is all about location and trying different things but just looking for a starting point. Thanks!
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Hey guys
What do you guys think of having 2 BIC F12 in a 12x13x9 small room. I haven't heard one BIC F12 in my room I'm not in my country so haven't had the chance. But since I'm in the USA I have the chance of getting another one but don't know if it is to much for my room size.
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What do you guys think of having 2 BIC F12 in a 12x13x9 small room. I haven't heard one BIC F12 in my room I'm not in my country so haven't had the chance. But since I'm in the USA I have the chance of getting another one but don't know if it is to much for my room size.

Yours = 1404 ft³.
Mine = 1344 ft³.

Seems pretty close to the same, and I love how it sounds. I'd rather have more power running not as hard, than not enough power constantly pushing the limits of the device.
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Yours = 1404 ft³.
Mine = 1344 ft³.

Seems pretty close to the same, and I love how it sounds. I'd rather have more power running not as hard, than not enough power constantly pushing the limits of the device.

Ok so why do people say that is better to have 2 subwoofers.
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Ok so why do people say that is better to have 2 subwoofers.

Two subs is more power than one.
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well i think im done breaking the sub in. just saw tron it sounded great. whats another movie that will test this baby
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well i think im done breaking the sub in. just saw tron it sounded great. whats another movie that will test this baby

War of the Worlds is great. About 19 minutes in.
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A quick setup question. In my house I'm limited to placing the sub in the corner behind my entertainment center. Does anyone have any suggestions about which direction to face the sub? Driver into the corner or port into the corner? I know that getting good sound is all about location and trying different things but just looking for a starting point. Thanks!

Driver out, port towards the wall, at least a foot away from the wall if you can.
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Ok so why do people say that is better to have 2 subwoofers.

I think he's saying it is better to have 2, each running a little less harder than 1 would have to. Seems kind of overkill for such a small room, get 2, see how you like, if it's too much, sell 1!
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well i think im done breaking the sub in. just saw tron it sounded great. whats another movie that will test this baby

TONS of action flicks have great LFE tracks, look for 5 or 6 or 7.1 DTS HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD. Most are still 5.1 but some are 7.1.
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I think he's saying it is better to have 2, each running a little less harder than 1 would have to. Seems kind of overkill for such a small room, get 2, see how you like, if it's too much, sell 1!

ooo ok ill do that
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I just got mine today and it went way above what my expectations were. I am fricken' amazed at the punch this baby gives! I'm running it with a Denon 2112, Polk Audio rti70's, and a Polk rti40 center. Our room is about 13x20 and there is more than enough heart pounding bass going on. I had a SVS PC12-plus but it was too big for our new house and I am amazed.
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I just got mine today and it went way above what my expectations were. I am fricken' amazed at the punch this baby gives! I'm running it with a Denon 2112, Polk Audio rti70's, and a Polk rti40 center. Our room is about 13x20 and there is more than enough heart pounding bass going on. I had a SVS PC12-plus but it was too big for our new house and I am amazed.

I have a klipsch kw100, would the bic be any better?
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I have a klipsch kw100, would the bic be any better?

Did you read any of this forum?
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I just got mine today and it went way above what my expectations were. I am fricken' amazed at the punch this baby gives! I'm running it with a Denon 2112, Polk Audio rti70's, and a Polk rti40 center. Our room is about 13x20 and there is more than enough heart pounding bass going on. I had a SVS PC12-plus but it was too big for our new house and I am amazed.

Did you ditch your PC12-Plus in favor of a BIC F12?

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The BIC subs are awesome, just pray you don't have to get it serviced. I've been waiting 30 business days now and I just got off the phone with them and they still have no idea what's going on with my repair. I'm an EXTREMELY patient person and I know getting angry doesn't help any situation but being without a sub since mid January is extremely frustrating (especially when they don't know the status of your repair and don't respond to your emails).

This alone would cause me to buy something else. BIC was AWESOME value while it worked but now I see why it's much cheaper..
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Well the amp on my JBL e250p finally crapped out. It would have cost $139 plus shipping both ways to get it fixed. So I said screw it and ordered the BIC. I thought the JBL sounded fine for music and movies. Has anyone replaced a JBL 12" sub with one of these? How does it compare?
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Well the amp on my JBL e250p finally crapped out. It would have cost $139 plus shipping both ways to get it fixed. So I said screw it and ordered the BIC. I thought the JBL sounded fine for music and movies. Has anyone replaced a JBL 12" sub with one of these? How does it compare?

Might have been better to inquire before placing your order, no?

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Well I didnt want to spend anymore than $200, so this seemed to be the one and only choice smart guy. Really just wondering if anyone has owned both - killing time until it gets here next week.
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Did you ditch your PC12-Plus in favor of a BIC F12?

I gave it to a friend. It was just too big for the room.
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I gave it to a friend. It was just too big for the room.

You gave a $1300 subwoofer to a friend so that you could buy a <$200 subwoofer for yourself? No offense--just trying to make sure I understand something that sounds, frankly, insane

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Ok so why do people say that is better to have 2 subwoofers.

The biggest reason for having 2 subs over one, is for quality. With two subs you can even out the bass response of your room, to provide a much better sound.

Easiest way to describe dual subs would be by saying it creates a "fullness" to your room.
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Just ordered 2 on Amazon.... Thought about 1 outlaw but I will see how 2 of these sound...
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I've had my F12 for about a month now, and have been very pleased with my purchase. This was the first subwoofer I had purchased that was not a part of a speaker package. My first subwoofer was with an old panasonic HTIB from around 2004 or so. Then a few years back I purchased the MLT-1 system which came with a sub (great system BTW, still using the satellite speakers), but it was an 8-inch sub and had difficulty hitting those lower notes that are essential for a better home theater experience. All I can say is that the BIC is a big step up from what I had before.

Just as a FYI, I am not using any subwoofer calibration for my F12, nor does my receiver apply filters to the subwoofer (rocking an older Onkyo TX-SR605 which only has Audyssey 2EQ ). Without adjustments or equalizers, I find that this sub packs plenty of punch and wall rattling without turning the volume knob past 4.
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I've had my F12 for about a month now, and have been very pleased with my purchase. This was the first subwoofer I had purchased that was not a part of a speaker package. My first subwoofer was with an old panasonic HTIB from around 2004 or so. Then a few years back I purchased the MLT-1 system which came with a sub (great system BTW, still using the satellite speakers), but it was an 8-inch sub and had difficulty hitting those lower notes that are essential for a better home theater experience. All I can say is that the BIC is a big step up from what I had before.

Just as a FYI, I am not using any subwoofer calibration for my F12, nor does my receiver apply filters to the subwoofer (rocking an older Onkyo TX-SR605 which only has Audyssey 2EQ ). Without adjustments or equalizers, I find that this sub packs plenty of punch and wall rattling without turning the volume knob past 4.



Just as an FYI, the volume knob setting depends on a myriad of factors, and in-and-of-itself doesn't mean very much No more than the fact that one of my subs has a volume control that goes up to 11...
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I've had my F12 for about a month now, and have been very pleased with my purchase. This was the first subwoofer I had purchased that was not a part of a speaker package. My first subwoofer was with an old panasonic HTIB from around 2004 or so. Then a few years back I purchased the MLT-1 system which came with a sub (great system BTW, still using the satellite speakers), but it was an 8-inch sub and had difficulty hitting those lower notes that are essential for a better home theater experience. All I can say is that the BIC is a big step up from what I had before.

Just as a FYI, I am not using any subwoofer calibration for my F12, nor does my receiver apply filters to the subwoofer (rocking an older Onkyo TX-SR605 which only has Audyssey 2EQ ). Without adjustments or equalizers, I find that this sub packs plenty of punch and wall rattling without turning the volume knob past 4.

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Just as an FYI, the volume knob setting depends on a myriad of factors, and in-and-of-itself doesn't mean very much No more than the fact that one of my subs has a volume control that goes up to 11...

HUH? You turn the F12 volume level up, you get more bass, down, less bass, how is that "doesn't mean very much?" In a system like he has explained, it seems to me it's pretty much everything!
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HUH? You turn the F12 volume level up, you get more bass, down, less bass, how is that "doesn't mean very much?" In a system like he has explained, it seems to me it's pretty much everything!

Because room size, room acoustics, placement location in the room, distance from the listening position--these things all have dramatic impact on where the volume should end up being set. Where his volume knob is set can't mean anything to anyone else unless they have the exact same room with everything exactly the same.

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You're definitely right, I guess the volume knob is a little vague... For reference, I have a smallish room with lots of furniture though, and the level for the sub on my receiver is set to 0. For music I do need to turn it up a little, I guess its just the way music is recorded compared to movie soundtracks.
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