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Has anyone run REW on the PL-200 yet? I'd like to see the response curve.
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Has anyone run REW on the PL-200 yet? I'd like to see the response curve.

Agreed. I would be VERY interested to see. Unless it's already out there.
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I received an email this morning saying the sub was shipped out this morning.
I'm excited and can't wait to see how it sounds.

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Called Acoustic Sound Design yesterday to find out the status of their PL-200 inventory, and was told they are out of stock until 5/15. Guess I should have ordered one before everyone else spent their tax refunds.
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I just talked to sound distributors and they said 2-3 weeks from today they have 400 coming. I will just wait until then to spend my money. From all the reviews it does sound like this is the BEST sub you can guy for 300 dollars or less. I'm rather excited.
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So my subwoofer was not blew out after all :-).. My Receiver was bad and sending some kind of bad signal I guess. I bought a Yamaha Receiver and now it sounds better then ever did. heres a picture of my setup.


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So my subwoofer was not blew out after all :-).. My Receiver was bad and sending some kind of bad signal I guess. I bought a Yamaha Receiver and now it sounds better then ever did. heres a picture of my setup.



Very nice..........love the tv! I'm waiting to try and find a deal on an LED......that might be a while though LOL.
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So my subwoofer was not blew out after all :-).. My Receiver was bad and sending some kind of bad signal I guess. I bought a Yamaha Receiver and now it sounds better then ever did. heres a picture of my setup.



Looks great Sam!

Glad the sub is working out for you.
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I just talked to sound distributors and they said 2-3 weeks from today they have 400 coming. I will just wait until then to spend my money. From all the reviews it does sound like this is the BEST sub you can guy for 300 dollars or less. I'm rather excited.

ive been through the subwoofer forum for quite a bit. I dont think ive found any hint of a better subwoofer under 300.
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ive been through the subwoofer forum for quite a bit. I dont think ive found any hint of a better subwoofer under 300.

I agree. When the A2-300 was at $350, it was much closer, but now that it went back up, it's a no brainer for the price range.
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So my subwoofer was not blew out after all :-).. My Receiver was bad and sending some kind of bad signal I guess. I bought a Yamaha Receiver and now it sounds better then ever did. heres a picture of my setup.



Wow, there was so much bass coming from the sub that it made the camera shake! I am sold!!!
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So these are basically on back order everywhere, right?

I was really hoping to get with sub within the next week and a half, but I guess I'll have to wait.
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Tracking number says delivery for friday. I can't to try this baby out. Friday is taking too long..

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was able to get a quick spl meter measurment in before wife got home.

with meter pointed at sub, approximantely six feet away, similar to this psw505 review http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...er-4-2005.html

The pl-200 was topping out at around 120 db @ 40 hz.

I intend on measuring a greater response when I can, lol

more : 110 db @ 30 hz ( shows minor signs of struggling)

107.5 db @ 20 hz (struggles but quite deep and room shaking )

So far so good, if im measuring this as the psw505 reviewer was, its easily beating the psw505 down. I am not trying to bash or compare this sub to the polk, but was merely using that review as my baseline for measurement.
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it struggles with higher frequencies from what all here seem to hear. Compare it at higher notes and then post more!

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Honestly, I am less and less impressed with every day that goes by. Might just be me getting bored with it, but I am quite underwhelmed now. Which I still have to say my room probably isn't ideal, but I just don't feel it is living up to my expectations, which may have been high in the first place. I also notice when mine is working hard at lower frequencies, it seems to sort of cancel itself out or something. SPL drops way down at a certain low range (I would guess between 28-34hz) at higher dB levels and I have to look at the driver to see if it's actually still working. May be the room like I said, but I don't quite think so. Still I guess overall for the price I am pretty well satisfied. Maybe a second one will fill out the sound nicely.
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Hey I have a few questions that maybe one of you guys can help me with. I just received my subwoofer. I'm fairly new at this so I would like to know about settings. For instance do I put the sub on crossover in or out? I have the volume at 12:00 but it's not as loud as some say. Is there something I should be doing? Also where do I put the crossover frequency at? should I out it on 80hz? I'm using a denon 2310 to power everything up. Any info is appreciated thanks..

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Hey I have a few questions that maybe one of you guys can help me with. I just received my subwoofer. I'm fairly new at this so I would like to know about settings. For instance do I put the sub on crossover in or out? I have the volume at 12:00 but it's not as loud as some say. Is there something I should be doing? Also where do I put the crossover frequency at? should I out it on 80hz? I'm using a denon 2310 to power everything up. Any info is appreciated thanks..

If you are going to use the receiver crossover settings, set the sub to "out", since "in" would mean the on board crossover. Also if that is the case, the crossover knob does not matter, since it's not being used. Read the rest of the thread if you haven't. Pretty sure this stuff is covered more in depth.
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If you are going to use the receiver crossover settings, set the sub to "out", since "in" would mean the on board crossover. Also if that is the case, the crossover knob does not matter, since it's not being used. Read the rest of the thread if you haven't. Pretty sure this stuff is covered more in depth.

Thanks for the reponce. So far the sub is great for movies and games, but not so great with music. It's my first sub so not bad. I'll keep it for a few months and upgrade for something stronger. So far it's a good sub. This beats any best buy subs in the $400-500 range.

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Honestly, I am less and less impressed with every day that goes by. Might just be me getting bored with it, but I am quite underwhelmed now. Which I still have to say my room probably isn't ideal, but I just don't feel it is living up to my expectations, which may have been high in the first place. I also notice when mine is working hard at lower frequencies, it seems to sort of cancel itself out or something. SPL drops way down at a certain low range (I would guess between 28-34hz) at higher dB levels and I have to look at the driver to see if it's actually still working. May be the room like I said, but I don't quite think so. Still I guess overall for the price I am pretty well satisfied. Maybe a second one will fill out the sound nicely.

The room has a lot to do with it. Try the sub crawl test. Crawl around the room listening for the loudest bass. Put the sub at the loudest spot.

The closer you get to 20hz the less you will naturally not hear it. I think human hearing starts loosing its sensitivity to lower frequencies below 20hz. Bass is 'felt' closer to 20hz and below.

Try the Pod emerge scene in War of the Worlds. It does a good job.
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The room has a lot to do with it. Try the sub crawl test. Crawl around the room listening for the loudest bass. Put the sub at the loudest spot.

The closer you get to 20hz the less you will naturally not hear it. I think human hearing starts loosing its sensitivity to lower frequencies below 20hz. Bass is 'felt' closer to 20hz and below.

Try the Pod emerge scene in War of the Worlds. It does a good job.

I've done the sub crawl, and the dead spot is not at the very low end, as it smooths out and becomes audible again before dropping off completely at the bottom of the audible spectrum/where it loses it's power. It really just sounds like it can't handle what I ask of it, which isn't all that high in my opinion.
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The room has a lot to do with it. Try the sub crawl test. Crawl around the room listening for the loudest bass. Put the sub at the loudest spot.

The closer you get to 20hz the less you will naturally not hear it. I think human hearing starts loosing its sensitivity to lower frequencies below 20hz. Bass is 'felt' closer to 20hz and below.

Try the Pod emerge scene in War of the Worlds. It does a good job.

This is exactly what I did and it sounds great. I wish music was a bit better though.

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Just borrowed with option to buy a Velodyne CT-8 from a friend. This little guy puts the PL200 to shame is music. It really is sad.

Anyone know if either the Behringer DSP1124P or FBQ2496 Will let me independently EQ two channels? I would love to make a bitchin sub eq with crossover of sorts and use both subs.

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People in this forum have not directly compared the PL-200 with the eD A2-300 and Hsu STF-2 (that are each considered superior to the F12).

I watched/listened to the movie "Fame' five weeks ago. The 4-6 large drums in the closing sequence and the bass in the closing sequence were superb (very musical) in my Hsu STF-2.

Have you had both the BIC and the HSU?

I was set on getting the BIC but hearing about its poor performance in music from others, i am thinking about chipping in a little more that can do both movies and music. For me, movies is primary for me, but I will occasionally listen to music. Any suggestions?

Nevermind, I think I will stick with the Bic. Realistically, i will be doing 80% HT and 20% music, and don't want to spend more. I guess you can't have the best of both worlds at this price range.
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After reading a lot of reviews and opinions, I decided to pick up the BIC PL-200 knowing that my usage is probably 85% HT, 10% game and 5% music. Ordered it from acousticdesign and it was delivered last Friday. I finally got to calibrate all my speakers and the sub on Sunday and then tested everything out using Terminator: Salvation BD (robot cycle chase scene). I had peviously watched this movie with my current setup of speakers and an older JBL PSW1200 so I knew it had a lot of bass and good surround. To make a long story short, I am extremely pleased with the BIC PL-200 and it obviously blew my old JBL out of the water. The bass is extremely clean and tight and not boomy like the JBL. When I watched with the JBL, everything shook and vibrated downstairs (not in a good way)...now after watching with the BIC, I see what everyone talks about when an inferior sub's bass is boomy. The BIC's bass was even more powerful sounding and feeling, but since it was extremely clean and tight, it didn't cause things to rattle. I look forward to watching more movies and breaking in the BIC. In case anyone wants to know, I am using a Pioneer VSX-819, Infinity Alpha 40s for front, Infinity Alpha center, and Infinity Alpha 20s for rear with the crossover set to 80Hz and the BIC's sub power setting at half. Thanks again for all the AVS forum contributors...you all were a huge help in getting the right sub for my price range and getting everything setup correctly.

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Has anyone run REW on the PL-200 yet? I'd like to see the response curve.

I have thought about dragging mine into the back yard to take measurements, but that's on a very long to do list...
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I have thought about dragging mine into the back yard to take measurements, but that's on a very long to do list...



Shoot, I'd even like to see what it does in-room.
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Just wondering, does the PL-200 have a foam surround? Or is it butyl rubber like the rest of the PL speakers?
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Just wondering, does the PL-200 have a foam surround? Or is it butyl rubber like the rest of the PL speakers?

I just checked and mine is rubber.

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I just checked and mine is rubber.

Really? Mine is like a "rubberized" foam, not actually rubber.
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