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rnw124's Avatar rnw124
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Eric from SD emailed me on Tuesday saying that 12 PL200s were coming friday and 44 people are in line. Got my order in immediately and it will be here by Monday. Shipping Vegas to Phoenix is sooooo nice lol You all should act quick, but its prolly too late as of this writing.
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You are lucky -- I have to wait till Thursday to receive mine in NJ.... can't wait though. It was shipped yesterday.

rgds, PS
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I was getting dissatisfied with my Polk PSW110 which I got several months ago. It was tight but it lacked power and base I was looking for in both films and music. This was my fourth subwoofer coming from my newbie Bose 15 Lifestyle series I had 8 years ago, to an Onkyo 990THX subwoofer which was pretty awesome for movies but just ok for music and a Polk PSW10. (I am a slow learner). I was thinking of upgrading to a Polk PSW125 or a PSW505, but after having 2 Polk subs, three strikes would be unforgiveable. I made the mistake of getting Polk subs because I initially thought that I had to match my sub with my TSI series speakers. After months of extensive and eye straining research, I recently picked up a Bic Acoustech PL-200. Originally I was looking at HSU's VTF-2.3, but the price is just too much for my budget and the economy. Also, the area where I needed the sub to be was limited with a maximum width of only 16 inches. I also read that that HSU team had helped in the design of the BIC subs, so I thought why not give it a try. I got the PL-200 for $280 out the door from Mike Embers' (Acoustic Sound) Las Vegas warehouse. It was convenient since I live not from from the warehouse. I am still breaking it in with constant but low bass music from Nora Jones, Astrud Gilberto, Basia, Sade and MJ's Thriller. After just a day of so so bass, it finally came alive and my Ella Fitzgerald and Charlie Parker CDs never sounded so good. I could hear clearer and more detailed bass strings. The sub covered the whole 15 x 45 room with low bass which is pretty satisfying to the ears. It also complemented my Polk CS20 (bought on sale from Newegg for $149), TSI400s (bought open box for $180 each from Cowboom) and TSI200s (bought on sale for $240) being driven by a Pioneer VSX-1019. The PL-200 matches my Polks as the BIC also had a glossy black piano finish exactly like the Polks. I'll wait several more days before I test it with the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan. But from what I have heard so far I am sure it will deliver. I read from one reviewer that what is good for music is good for movies but not vice versa. I have come to agree with this assessment.
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I was getting dissatisfied with my Polk PSW110 which I got several months ago. It was tight but it lacked power and base I was looking for in both films and music. This was my fourth subwoofer coming from my newbie Bose 15 Lifestyle series I had 8 years ago, to an Onkyo 990THX subwoofer which was pretty awesome for movies but just ok for music and a Polk PSW10. (I am a slow learner). I was thinking of upgrading to a Polk PSW125 or a PSW505, but after having 2 Polk subs, three strikes would be unforgiveable. I made the mistake of getting Polk subs because I initially thought that I had to match my sub with my TSI series speakers. After months of extensive and eye straining research, I recently picked up a Bic Acoustech PL-200. Originally I was looking at HSU's VTF-2.3, but the price is just too much for my budget and the economy. Also, the area where I needed the sub to be was limited with a maximum width of only 16 inches. I also read that that HSU team had helped in the design of the BIC subs, so I thought why not give it a try. I got the PL-200 for $280 out the door from Mike Embers' (Acoustic Sound) Las Vegas warehouse. It was convenient since I live not from from the warehouse. I am still breaking it in with constant but low bass music from Nora Jones, Astrud Gilberto, Basia, Sade and MJ's Thriller. After just a day of so so bass, it finally came alive and my Ella Fitzgerald and Charlie Parker CDs never sounded so good. I could hear clearer and more detailed bass strings. The sub covered the whole 15 x 45 room with low bass which is pretty satisfying to the ears. It also complemented my Polk CS20 (bought on sale from Newegg for $149), TSI400s (bought open box for $180 each from Cowboom) and TSI200s (bought on sale for $240) being driven by a Pioneer VSX-1019. The PL-200 matches my Polks as the BIC also had a glossy black piano finish exactly like the Polks. I'll wait several more days before I test it with the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan. But from what I have heard so far I am sure it will deliver. I read from one reviewer that what is good for music is good for movies but not vice versa. I have come to agree with this assessment.

It covers a 15 by 45 room well?! Wow! That is an enormous room with odd dimensions! I'm shocked it can handle that at it's price point. Good to hear. I think it is a quality subwoofer.
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The PL-200 sounds like a nice sub.

Too bad you can't buy 'em anywhere!
raghu455's Avatar raghu455
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The PL-200 sounds like a nice sub.

Too bad you can't buy 'em anywhere!

Ya it is a very powerful sub. I have the volume at about 1/3rd and it is still sufficient to get a 75dB at around 10ft
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Ordered a pl-200 from acoustic sounds on friday, not sure if I got any of the last batch they had or if I just got on the waiting list, ill probably call them on mon to see how long my wait might be
ShadowTowel's Avatar ShadowTowel
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I just wanted to say to anyone worried about the performance of this thing... It has just been absolutely incredible to me... This thing is AMAZING once broken in. I can't ask for much more. Won't be upgrading my sub for a long time!

Way outperforms it's price tag I think. Watched Live Free or Die Hard recently... WOW! I thought I was getting shot, I could feel it in my chest! Not to mention this was at 45-50% volume (I typically have it at 35-40% actually, which is plenty).
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I just wanted to say to anyone worried about the performance of this thing... It has just been absolutely incredible to me... This thing is AMAZING once broken in. I can't ask for much more. Won't be upgrading my sub for a long time!

Way outperforms it's price tag I think. Watched Live Free or Die Hard recently... WOW! I thought I was getting shot, I could feel it in my chest! Not to mention this was at 45-50% volume (I typically have it at 35-40% actually, which is plenty).

Awesome! I have one of these bad boys and it gives some really nice bass and just makes you feel like you are in the movie.

Was finally hearing some music on it last week and it performed awesome as well. Being a fan of dual subs, I'm already thinking of getting a second one to maybe really bring the house down..
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Got the PL200 yesterday and have been playing around with it and generally loving it. It's definitely an impressive sub especially for the price. Though I think I may have come to the conclusion that it sounds better for movies. Maybe it's just my 2.1 setup and/or room configuration. Speaking of that, let me share what I got going on.

Denon AVR-391
Klipsch VS-14(2) up front - yea i know they are surrounds
BIC PL-200

I have the speakers set to small, mode set to LFE(as opposed to LFE+Main), LFE: 100Hz, crossover: 120Hz. I keep the volume at about the 9o'clock position, and have the phase at 0 degrees. The sub is in a corner just to the left of my left main. Listening/viewing area is roughly 10x11ft. Anyways, I think it sounds really good and simply adds an exciting new element to my 2 channel system.
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omgitsoop's Avatar omgitsoop
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recieved the sub yesterday, im a little confused by the crossover in/out switch, the manual just states "if you have the switch set to digital reciever 5.1 the crossover frequency control does not affect the signal" but doesnt explain if thats "in" or "out." i have a 5.1 and its currently switch to out, is that correct?
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If you want your AVR to control the crossover setting it to out is what you want. Out simply means the crossover setting will be controlled by an external device. In means use the crossover setting on the sub.

I recommend leaving it at out and doing the crossover from the AVR. You won't want both of them doing it.
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Awesome! I have one of these bad boys and it gives some really nice bass and just makes you feel like you are in the movie.

Was finally hearing some music on it last week and it performed awesome as well. Being a fan of dual subs, I'm already thinking of getting a second one to maybe really bring the house down..

Yeah my next sub upgrade will most likely be a second PL-200 rather than getting one $800 sub. I think two PL-200's will perform valiantly vs. a high end sub.
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Yeah my next sub upgrade will most likely be a second PL-200 rather than getting one $800 sub. I think two PL-200's will perform valiantly vs. a high end sub.

Two PL 200s are devastating!!! I have never heard a great high end sub but after getting my second PL 200 I honestly don't feel the need to try a high end sub. I spent a good deal of time moving them around and now feel like I have them in the perfect position. The bass is strong and very deep. I can FEEL the energy in the room during explosive scenes. I forgot the web site but I down loaded a disk with test tones from 10hz to 90hz. These subs did produce the 10hz tone but not very loud. It was noticably louder from 15 hz on up. I don't have any fancy testing equiptment but I do know what I hear and the pod emergence scene from War of the Worlds was so strong and deep, it actually made me a little nervous and I have watched this scene many times but this was the first time with these subs....I felt the bass in my chest !!!
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Two PL 200s are devastating!!! I have never heard a great high end sub but after getting my second PL 200 I honestly don't feel the need to try a high end sub. I spent a good deal of time moving them around and now feel like I have them in the perfect position. The bass is strong and very deep. I can FEEL the energy in the room during explosive scenes. I forgot the web site but I down loaded a disk with test tones from 10hz to 90hz. These subs did produce the 10hz tone but not very loud. It was noticably louder from 15 hz on up. I don't have any fancy testing equiptment but I do know what I hear and the pod emergence scene from War of the Worlds was so strong and deep, it actually made me a little nervous and I have watched this scene many times but this was the first time with these subs....I felt the bass in my chest !!!

Wow! Thanks for the info, that certainly backs up my theory to get another one down the road! How can 2 subs that only go down to 24 hz individually get down to 10 or 15 hz combined? Is this possible??
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The PL-200 sounds like a nice sub... Too bad you can't buy 'em anywhere!

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Ya it is a very powerful sub. I have the volume at about 1/3rd and it is still sufficient to get a 75dB at around 10ft

I was at one time very interested in buying this sub but couldn't find anyone actually selling them. BTW in my experience the position of the volume knob really has very little to do with an amp's potential output.
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I was at one time very interested in buying this sub but couldn't find anyone actually selling them. BTW in my experience the position of the volume knob really has very little to do with an amp's potential output.

Acoustics Sound Design website or on ebay. They accept bids of $269. Excellent bang for the buck!

http://stores.ebay.com/acousticsounddesign8882243663
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Wow! Thanks for the info, that certainly backs up my theory to get another one down the road! How can 2 subs that only go down to 24 hz individually get down to 10 or 15 hz combined? Is this possible??

Actually the PL200 is rated down to 22hz. Even still, the advertised rating is typically the deepest the sub can go with a +/- 3db range of its max output. Therefore when you see a sub that is rated down to 22hz (+/-3db), it can actually dig a lot deeper (say 10 or 15hz), however the output is greatly reduced at those lower frequencies, in other words, not in the +/- 3db range.
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Wow! Thanks for the info, that certainly backs up my theory to get another one down the road! How can 2 subs that only go down to 24 hz individually get down to 10 or 15 hz combined? Is this possible??

I felt the same way when I got my first one. I noticed that the sound was different than my velodyne dps 12. It seemed to go just as deep as the velodyne but there was something extra. There is more of a tactical feeling with the PL 200. My Velodyne was great and I still have it in storage not in use but this PL 200 is tighter and shakes me a little more. My room is 25 x 13 x 8. I have them in front about 8" from the back wall and 18" from the side walls. I had them in the front corners but noticed they were a little boomy at certain notes. I saw a picture of someone's room in this forum and they had their 2 subs a little close to the center speaker so I moved mine out from the corners and.....presto !!! No more boom and the bass remained deep and powerful. I have the volume on both at about the 11 o'clock mark and the sub gain in my Sony is at 0 from a range of -10 to +10. Yes it does produce those 10hz tones but not very loud, To my surprise it gets loud and strong at 15hz. It's like your body starts shaking from the tone.
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I have submitted a bid of $269 to Acoustic Sound Design and am waiting to hear back. That would be my top choice and is at the top of my budget.

If this doesn't go through, I am looking at the BIC F-12 or BIC H100. With coupon codes, I think I can get either of these for about the same price.
If they were the same price, should I pick the F-12 or the H100?
Does magnetic shielding matter?
I think the H100 has a nicer finish, but I'm more interested in performance differences.

I had been looking at the Polk PSW505 (since all the other speakers in my set-up are Polk), but after reading posts here I'm leaning towards one of these other 3 options. These seem to be the best options in my price range.
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Most of Polk lower end subs are not so good. Check the official "polkie" thread here... everyone agrees.
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I have submitted a bid of $269 to Acoustic Sound Design and am waiting to hear back. That would be my top choice and is at the top of my budget.

If this doesn't go through, I am looking at the BIC F-12 or BIC H100. With coupon codes, I think I can get either of these for about the same price.
If they were the same price, should I pick the F-12 or the H100?
Does magnetic shielding matter?
I think the H100 has a nicer finish, but I'm more interested in performance differences.

I had been looking at the Polk PSW505 (since all the other speakers in my set-up are Polk), but after reading posts here I'm leaning towards one of these other 3 options. These seem to be the best options in my price range.

BIC's website as well as most observations here, indicate that the performance between the F-12 and H100 are very comparable. Even BIC will tell you that the primary difference is the finish and that the H100 is a bit older. Magnetic shielding only matters if the sub will be placed near an older CRT TV (projection or tube). If you have a plasma or lcd, a non-shielded sub won't harm them.
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Nice dual Bic's. Were you able to do any bass measurements using an SPL? Hope it is not too boomy
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Nice dual Bic's. Were you able to do any bass measurements using an SPL? Hope it is not too boomy

No, I have not done any measurements yet. Only listening to powerful scenes from Star Wars, War of the Worlds etc....They did sound a little boomy when I had them positioned in the front corners. When I moved them out from the corners (about 18") they became very tight sounding and yet still strong and deep.
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No, I have not done any measurements yet. Only listening to powerful scenes from Star Wars, War of the Worlds etc....They did sound a little boomy when I had them positioned in the front corners. When I moved them out from the corners (about 18") they became very tight sounding and yet still strong and deep.

Oh cool. For 2subs it is very important to have them setup properly either through subwoofer crawl or at least audyssey mult eqxt 32. Check out sub guide. That should give you much more from your subs
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Oh cool. For 2subs it is very important to have them setup properly either through subwoofer crawl or at least audyssey mult eqxt 32. Check out sub guide. That should give you much more from your subs

OK, I will do..
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Thanks for the quick feedback.

Something to note. Mike @ acousticsounddesign offered me the PA-150 for $340 shipped (20% off) on the phone.

I just pulled the trigger on the PL-150 for 340$ shipped. I was interested in the PL-200 but after talking with Mike and him explaining the differences between the two I spent the extra 60 bucks. This is my first sub/real home theatre setup so I'll have nothing to compare it to but I imagine I'll be happy when it's put together .
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Has anyone tried pairing these 2 subs together? I already own the H-100 and would like to run a 2 sub setup but dont really have a lot of cash. Could I just get the 200 and run it with the 100?
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I just pulled the trigger on the PL-150 for 340$ shipped. I was interested in the PL-200 but after talking with Mike and him explaining the differences between the two I spent the extra 60 bucks. This is my first sub/real home theatre setup so I'll have nothing to compare it to but I imagine I'll be happy when it's put together .

I never knew a larger sub existed (by BIC anyways). How does it compare to the PL-200? What differences did he sell you on?

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