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Got the replacement sub today and transformers 3 also showed up. Tomorrow is movie night...

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What a terrible movie! I had to turn it off after about 45 minutes in... I don't expect much for an action movie but this movie was pretty bad.
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I am sure most of you have seen the results from this thread but for those that are new to this sub, it's a good read. You'll have a better idea of how well this sub is going to perform...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1350479

The other link below I am posting, is from an audio/video engineer who claimed that this sub will perform respectably at 5hz (or at least in his opinion it does). He has a review on amazon and some pages back ITT, that claim this is some incredible sub! I came across this link, watched it, and rolled my eyes. I like this sub, as a lot of you do, but I do not think it's an incredible sub by any stretch of the imagination. For the price, it's going to be hard to beat... but it ends there (IMO).

http://vimeo.com/28632241
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Whomever said the PL-200 just fits on a Subdude wasn't kidding. The legs hang over the edge a bit. It's just big enough.
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Whomever said the PL-200 just fits on a Subdude wasn't kidding. The legs hang over the edge a bit. It's just big enough.

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Gramma

The Gramma is ugly. Sorry to offend anyone's Gramma. Besides, you said your Subdude is working well for you. I don't mind it hanging over as long as it works.
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The Gramma is ugly. Sorry to offend anyone's Gramma. Besides, you said your Subdude is working well for you. I don't mind it hanging over as long as it works.

My mistake from the prior post I actually changed my order and purchased a gramma. The subdude was too small and I wanted something that fit the sub with room for upgrades... I should be getting the VTF-15H in the next two weeks. The gramma should fit this sub but might be too small... Didn't want to get subdude and run into this issue later..

The gramma is longer but other than that, subdude and the gramma look the same??

I can't really understand why you would find it ugly on the PL200, unless your sub is in an area where you would see the gramma extending out the back - even then that would not bother me. It sticks out the back a few inches but other than that it fits the sup just fine. Also, where I have placed my sub you cannot tell the gramma is sticking out the back.

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So I'm wondering if the Subdude will work for me since I already opened it. If it hangs over a bit it still should do the trick right?

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My mistake from the prior post I actually changed my order and purchased a gramma. The subdude was too small and I wanted something that fit the sub with room for upgrades... I should be getting the VTF-15H in the next two weeks. The gramma should fit this sub but might be too small... Didn't want to get subdude and run into this issue later..

The gramma is longer but other than that, subdude and the gramma look the same??

I can't really understand why you would find it ugly on the PL200, unless your sub is in an area where you would see the gramma extending out the back - even then that would not bother me. It sticks out the back a few inches but other than that it fits the sup just fine. Also, where I have placed my sub you cannot tell the gramma is sticking out the back.

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So I'm wondering if the Subdude will work for me since I already opened it. If it hangs over a bit it still should do the trick right?

I have a couple meowers running around my house so I wanted to make sure that the PL200 fit as close to perfect as possible. One of our cats likes sitting on top of the sub (especially during movies) which changed my decision to the ugly gramma, lol.

The sub weighs like 44lbs so it's probably would not move on the SD, I just wanted to be certain of that.

Overall, I think you're going to be fine with your SD.


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Even though I plan on upgrading to the VTF-15H I still plan to muck with this sub... One thing I plan on doing (hopefully this weekend) is replace the fiberglass with polyfoam. I purchased a bunch of it last weekend, just have not had the time to do it. I will post pictures and results once this is completed.
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I have a couple meowers running around my house so I wanted to make sure that the PL200 fit as close to perfect as possible. One of our cats likes sitting on top of the sub (especially during movies) which changed my decision to the ugly gramma, lol.

The sub weighs like 44lbs so it's probably would not move on the SD, I just wanted to be certain of that.

Overall, I think you're going to be fine with your SD.


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Even though I plan on upgrading to the VTF-15H I still plan to muck with this sub... One thing I plan on doing (hopefully this weekend) is replace the fiberglass with polyfoam. I purchased a bunch of it last weekend, just have not had the time to do it. I will post pictures and results once this is completed.

I talked to amazon and even though I opened my Subdude they said they would accept a return on it so I could order the Gramma.
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Im having a hard time deciding between the Lava LSP12 or this sub. Would you say there performance is pretty much similar? Ill be using it for 80% HT and 20% music in a room that is 15x15

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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I am trying to decide between the PL-200 and the Klipsch RW-12.
Will be using equally for Music/Movies/Games.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Depends on what you want to spend... however, I liked the RW-12D much better than the pl200 although I feel its a bit over priced.
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Depends on what you want to spend... however, I liked the RW-12D much better than the pl200 although I feel its a bit over priced.

So if price is not an issue, you definitely recommend the Klipsch?
By the way my room 20x10x12
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So if price is not an issue, you definitely recommend the Klipsch?
By the way my room 20x10x12

Yes and no...

A friend of mine has two of them and they really compliment his setup quite well. Do I think the 12D it's leaps and bounds over the PL200? Not really.. However, I think the response is a lot tighter from this sub and I would even venture to say it can perform pretty well at 20hz. Although I've never measured this sub, nor do I have the equipment to do so.

The RW-12d also features a DCS digital user-interface that includes three equalization modes (flat, depth and punch) and three user-adjustable presets (music, movie and night) to create specific listening preferences. This sub also comes with an IR sensor for operation from any learning remote or control system.

My caveat to this? If you can't get this sub for under 340.00 just save the money and get the PL200. You're going to be happy with that sub too..

FYI - PL200 or 12D will compliment your listening area just fine.

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I am trying to decide between the PL-200 and the Klipsch RW-12.
Will be using equally for Music/Movies/Games.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I actually own both of these subs and run them together. I posted a review comparing both of them. I think it is in the " can this sub be beat for $349" thread. They are very similar subs but I do prefer the Klipsch over the PL-200 but not by that much. The Kilpsch has a tighter sound but I have found with my SMS-1 sub eq system, the PL-200 goes just a little deeper. I run all 4 now in my theater....I have dual Klipsch up front and the two PL-200s in the back of my theater stacked. When I check the response of just the two Klipsch subs I can get 72dbs at 15hz. When I turn on the PL-200s and run them all together I get 76dbs at 15hz. So I think the PL-200s compliment the Klipsch subs or the other way around. I only run all 4 subs together when I watch big blockbuster films but on everything else I just use the Klipschs.

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I run all 4 now in my theater....I have dual Klipsch up front and the two PL-200s in the back of my theater stacked.

That is an insane setup. Nice!

I have read a lot that the PL-200 does not do very well for music and is great for HT. Is the Klipsch any better at music?
I think this would be a deciding factor for me.

The price is roughly a $60 difference.
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The klipsch rw-12d does OKAY for music but there are others subs, that are cheaper, that do much better... its a trade off... overall the pl200 and the rw-12d are not not as good as others.
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I have the vk-12 and I think is does extremely well with music. Not sure what the other difference is between that and the pl-200 besides material.

Maybe I have always progressed in quality, and haven't heard anything better yet. Probably means im not qualified to pass judgement. However I think my room is set pretty perfectly.

This hobby sure can get expensive.
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The klipsch rw-12d does OKAY for music but there are others subs, that are cheaper, that do much better... its a trade off... overall the pl200 and the rw-12d are not not as good as others.

Yes, for a mostly music set up I would look elsewhere for a sub. If my primary listening was music, I would look at sealed subs.

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Yes it can get expensive!


Personally I feel a good sub for music is going to need to have a higher end response to give it that full effect. The pl200 is a respectable sub from 30-100hz. Taking a look at say the PA-150, which is good com say 25-180hz you're going to be much more satisfied during music response. This is just my opinion...

Although, I still think the 200 does okay for music.
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Im having a hard time deciding between the Lava LSP12 or this sub. Would you say there performance is pretty much similar? Ill be using it for 80% HT and 20% music in a room that is 15x15

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I have finally decided to get the PL200.
Now I know that this is off-topic, but I noticed that a lot of folks here have paired it with Polk Monitor 60/70 in the front.

I am having a tough time choosing between the Polk monitors and the PL-76 towers.

Any suggestions?
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Dome tweeter vs. Horn loaded tweeter. You should go down and audition some klipsch speakers if you're wondering about the pl-76 towers. The klipsch speakers are going to sound a lot like the 76's as they're also horn loaded.
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Sorry chaps, but I see people suggesting to set sub crossover frequency to 120 Hz and for speakers to 80 Hz. I've never seen a speaker crossover frequency setting before. Where can that be found? I own a Yamaha RX-V667 receiver.
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Sorry chaps, but I see people suggesting to set sub crossover frequency to 120 Hz and for speakers to 80 Hz. I've never seen a speaker crossover frequency setting before. Where can that be found? I own a Yamaha RX-V667 receiver.

Wouldn't the cross over setting depend on your speakers? Like the lowest it can hit

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Wouldn't the cross over setting depend on your speakers? Like the lowest it can hit

That's what I figured, but apparently people here seem to have found a setting in their receiver setup menu that allows them to change their crossover frequencies per speaker.
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That's what I figured, but apparently people here seem to have found a setting in their receiver setup menu that allows them to change their crossover frequencies per speaker.

Hi muffinmcfluffin, the Yamaha V667 doesn't have the option to adjust crossover for a specific speaker. All speakers set as small have an adjustable crossover, but you have to choose one frequency that applies to all of them (under Bass Cross Over - page 81 in OM).
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Hi muffinmcfluffin, the Yamaha V667 doesn't have the option to adjust crossover for a specific speaker. All speakers set as small have an adjustable crossover, but you have to choose one frequency that applies to all of them (under Bass Cross Over - page 81 in OM).

Got it. So is it suggested that I choose the subwoofer crossover frequency to 120 Hz?

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