I do think the turbo makes it look ugly, but does it make it sound a lot better, go a lot deeper? I was initially going to get a $400 sub, but now I'm thinking of going with a $600 one because you only live once, and a $400 sub just wouldn't go with my new Pioneer Kuro Elite. It's like eating a Peanut Butter and Fish sandwich instead of PB &J. Is the HSU VTF-2 MK 3 better of the SVS PB12-NSD? I think the sub and the TV are probably the most important parts of a home theater system as skimping money on them probably hurts your system more than skimping money anywhere else.