Originally Posted by graphicguy
CHU.....You? Suspicious? C'mon!!!!!!!!
CE and FCC...big block letters on the amp itself. This is on my "old amp" MFW.
Hard to believe isn't it?
The block letters mean nothing by themselves. According to regulations they must be accompanied by the relevant boilerplate text in the manual. Now, check your manual and see what it says. Maybe then you'll be suspicious too!
The driver is from Eminence (a very good one, I might add) has not changed as far as I know. Nothing I've read nor heard would lead me to believe any of that has changed with the new MFWs now being bought and shipped.
You could be right. I hope so. But you know it's not unusual for parts to be substituted and changes to be made in any existing product. Hence, if there's no designation on the subwoofer that can make it quite easy to source a replacement from elsewhere.
Also sometimes lost in the noise, the MFW is a Mark Seaton Design.
I know and he was paid accordingly. Who takes responsibility for incoming QC? That doesn't mean that a driver from another source can't be used. Companies in all areas are always investigating ways they can make the same product for less money.
LSs are being shipped. Many have already shipped.
All the other stuff I've seen posted, I have no idea where it comes from. The only "raffle" person I was aware of was completely compensated.
If'n I was MLS, I'd never do another raffle again.
I will say, in conversations I've had with AV123 personnel, and others associated indirectly with AV123, MLS lost a great deal in his association with the Chinese manufacturer who bamboozled him with the bad parts in the 2nd batch of MFWs. Then, that person took the money and ran....just disappeared.
Assuming that manufacturer is still in business, I'd assume the contract they had (they did have a contract, no?) allowed for a chargeback for defective merchandise. Now, that doesn't mean that MLS's business wasn't adversely affected. Plus, while they may not have affected you, you've also read about assembly problems, veneer issues, and some defective drivers.
Moreover, in addition to lost MFW business, was the immense cost associated with first, shipping new "old" amps on little more than a request while he tried to figure out exactly what was going wrong. Then, incurring the expense of having the amp redesigned (which was done by Doug Goldberg). Then, trashing whatever old stock amp modules that were left over, and replacing them all with the newly redesigned amp modules (which are supposed to be more powerful than the old ones). Then, there's the shipping costs involved in replacing the amps.
Not to be cavalier about it, but that's the cost of doing business. If AV123 had a QC department, they'd have caught this early on.
In short, not a small job, nor one that didn't come at great, great expense. MLS stuck with it...saw it through, while battling serious personal illness himself. I have spoken to him. And, any one who did while he was feeling his worst, knows how bad he was. Yet, he was working to resolve the issues, at great physical, personal, and financial expense.
Quite so but you know, it never had to get this bad.
Bottom line, a working MFW is a great sub. From the pics I've seen, the new amp module looks "neat and clean" compared to the old one. If that's any indication of quality (which I don't know....I'm not an EE), then they promise to be stellar, given Doug Goldberg's involvement.
Me neither, but the pictures do suggest an amateur approach to the original one. One day, crack open a car amp and see how clean it is. To the rest, from your lips to God's ears.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. I'm not employed by AV123. I'm not a moderator for them. I'm not any sort of "official ambassador" for them. I receive no compensation from them. I have no involvement with AV123 other than being a happy customer. Based on some of the PMs I've received (many times resorting to some pretty nasty names), I have in the past, and will continue to support AV123. This is based on the performance of their products....the value they represent....and the sterling customer service I've received.
Me neither. I also don't represent a competitor. If anything I tend towards advocating for the consumer and look for them to ask more pertinent and probing questions. I'm a muckraker and I'm not satisfied with a pat answer. Let me ask you a question. If MLS were to become incapable of running the company for whatever possible reason, does AV123 still exist?