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I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

My thoughts exactly........people making blanket statements
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To me, Terminator was mastered hotter than RotF. I don't think it was more dynamic, just louder considering the dialog in Terminator was louder than normal.

How can anyone tell how hot a master is, from a cinema showing?

You have no idea if the system is set up correctly.....and I would think even close to being correct is a longshot.

I am no longer able to watch a movie. I am monitoring a video display with regards to chroma, brightness, contrast and correct pulldown.
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It's funny how two different people can't have such different experiences....

My theater couldn't even show the entire movie before their projector bit the dust, so I've seen about the first 20 minutes of the moive.

Another reason I never go to the theater here, besides the fact they don't even have subs.
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Ok, I agree with most who say why not to go. I have always argued with people when the threads start that ask how your HT compares to the theater. People will say how their setup will blow away the theater. I say for a true test put some theater speakers and subs in your room and now see how that sounds, it will blow you away. I know this because I have done it. A properly calibrated and working theater should rock your world(20 Hz and up). I just watched this again in the THX theater and they played under reference levels so I was not happy. Next time I go I will tell them to turn it up. The speakers used in my local theater are the JBL pro 4732's and no home speaker could match it in dynamics and impact, but they have to be working and calibrated properly.
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I say for a true test put some theater speakers and subs in your room and now see how that sounds, it will blow you away.

i think the point is that theater speakers don't blow me away "at the theater" where they should blow me away

i'm sure they sound great at home, just not in a giant auditorium

i never go to the theater anymore. i used to go just to see star trek on the big screen but after seeing what they've done to the franchise with this latest movie, looks like i have no reason to ever buy another over-priced diet coke

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They could blow you away at the theater if done right, but not sub 20 Hz performance.
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They could blow you away at the theater if done right, but not sub 20 Hz performance.

i guess i haven't been in the right theater yet

they don't impress me at any frequency

sometimes the surround speakers aren't even working

if you complain to the manager, they give you a ticket for a free movie but what good is it

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How can anyone tell how hot a master is, from a cinema showing?

You have no idea if the system is set up correctly.....and I would think even close to being correct is a longshot.

Well, I'm actually friendly with the projection manager at my local Cineplex. He told me Star Trek was mastered about 3-4db hot before we screened it with the other projectionists. After watching it, we both agreed that the speakers needed to be reduced by a couple of db due to them sounding strained. After screening Terminator, we had the same problem, but not during Transformers 2. These are my experiences, but yours may differ.

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I made sure my system can handle any movie, bring it on.

yeah i think our 19ov.2s will get a nice workout with this movie
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i guess i haven't been in the right theater yet

they don't impress me at any frequency

sometimes the surround speakers aren't even working

if you complain to the manager, they give you a ticket for a free movie but what good is it

I consider a good theater that puts equipment in a room with overkill in mind so nothing strains at reference levels, especially if it is a THX theater. Of course that does not always happen. My local theater uses speakers that are meant for theaters twice the size they are in so they don't strain, they need to be reminded to turn it up at times though. I agree with you and free movie tickets won't change the experience. I have a friend who has a friend you works at my local cineplex and we are working on him for a behind the screen look and a true at reference showing of Transformers 2. The JBL screen arrays are very capable speakers, my 8 subs will fail before my entry level screen arrays will. My room is a joke for them and that is why they sound good.
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yeah i think our 19ov.2s will get a nice workout with this movie

I just watched The Incredible Hulk and WOTW at reference and it was great. The IH had much more dynamics but WOTW bass is great(spl). Bluray vs DVD. WOTW on bluray should kill some subs. The articulation of bass on bluray and dynamics is just much better. I used to think WOTW was recorded hot but after watching TIH on bluray I had to turn it up. Transformers 2 has potential and hopefully comes thru.
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Some bass moments to watch for on blu ray:

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The fight in China has a few good moments.

When Optimus rescues Sam from Megatron in the warehouse. The IMAX subwoofer rolled off really early and I'm pretty sure it's goes really deep.

When Megatron kills Optimus in the forest, there is some bass that seems to go pretty low.

When all the Decepticons land from space in the desert and the aircraft carrier has some punchy bass that I like. Very similar to the autobots landing in the first movie.

The big explosion in the desert when the fighter jet drops about 10+ bombs on everyone.

When The Fallen is on top of the pyramid and telekenitcally/magnetically raises all the army vehicles and then drops them.


I'm sure there are others, but those ones definitely stand out.

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Well, I'm actually friendly with the projection manager at my local Cineplex. He told me Star Trek was mastered about 3-4db hot before we screened it with the other projectionists. After watching it, we both agreed that the speakers needed to be reduced by a couple of db due to them sounding strained. After screening Terminator, we had the same problem, but not during Transformers 2. These are my experiences, but yours may differ.

Cool.

I myself do not hang with projectionists....rofl.......glad to hear they take it serious at your local flicker show....

I am no longer able to watch a movie. I am monitoring a video display with regards to chroma, brightness, contrast and correct pulldown.
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I just saw the movie with my son and the bass kinda sucked I can't wait for this to come out on Blu-ray. I am sure it will be demo material on my Epik Phoenix!!
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I just saw the movie with my son and the bass kinda sucked I can't wait for this to come out on Blu-ray. I am sure it will be demo material on my Epik Phoenix!!
BTW, Megan Fox is SMOKIN in this one!

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Good news. Wednesday night my friend and I get to have a private screening of Transformers 2. After the last showing of the night. We get to look behind the screen, projector room, and hopefully make sure it is calibrated. We also get to crank it up to reference levels or higher. Now we will see how this movie sounds.
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Good news. Wednesday night my friend and I get to have a private screening of Transformers 2. After the last showing of the night. We get to look behind the screen, projector room, and hopefully make sure it is calibrated. We also get to crank it up to reference levels or higher. Now we will see how this movie sounds.

awesome

since you went sealed a while back, how low is your system EQ'd to ?

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Good news. Wednesday night my friend and I get to have a private screening of Transformers 2. After the last showing of the night. We get to look behind the screen, projector room, and hopefully make sure it is calibrated. We also get to crank it up to reference levels or higher. Now we will see how this movie sounds.

WOW... That is awesome. I'm so jealous. I've always wanted to get behind the scenes access to experience what these state of the art cinemas are REALLY capable of. Have fun...
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It will be fun.

Otk, I am not using any EQ and thanks to room gain REW shows me I am flat to 5 Hz. The main differences between the sealed and ported in my room are dynamics(twice the drivers and power) and pressurization. They go together for me. My room can become instantly pressurized from low frequencies. The hair on your head, arms, and legs get tingly and everything starts to shake. It can disappear in seconds. Very quick reacting. It does this much better than the ported subs did.
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Great movie... Needless to say, Transformers is not about elaborate storylines and deep characters. Popcorn fun to the max though!

Anyway, I went to see this at my local IMAX this morning and I was looking to be blown away by the bass(literally), well that certainly didn't happen. However, I don't fault the movie in any way at all. I think my local cinema crippled the bass channel by excessively lowering the volume. I couldn't feel any bass at all, and I know this IMAX is capable, because last summer, The Dark Night in there was the best movie sound experience I've ever encountered, can you say BASS BASS BASS. I don't know if maybe they got too many complaints about it being too loud, or maybe they thought this movie was too intense for their sound system. Now I feel the need to view this film again at my usual THX cinema and see what I missed. The IMAX filmed scene was a treat at any rate, and maybe worth the extra premium I paid.

I am REALLY looking forward to this on BR...

Thats too bad! I saw this at my local IMAX and thought the sound was excellent, right up there with the Dark Knight.

But like so many others I can't wait to get this movie home.

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I consider a good theater that puts equipment in a room with overkill in mind so nothing strains at reference levels, especially if it is a THX theater. Of course that does not always happen. My local theater uses speakers that are meant for theaters twice the size they are in so they don't strain, they need to be reminded to turn it up at times though. I agree with you and free movie tickets won't change the experience. I have a friend who has a friend you works at my local cineplex and we are working on him for a behind the screen look and a true at reference showing of Transformers 2. The JBL screen arrays are very capable speakers, my 8 subs will fail before my entry level screen arrays will. My room is a joke for them and that is why they sound good.

Overkill FTW!

Are you switching over to the TH-221 anytime soon?
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MKtheater, don't forget to take your spl meter in there and maybe some speaker pictures would be nice too, if this is not too much to ask.
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I will do what I can. Getting ready for tomorrow.
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I will do what I can. Getting ready for tomorrow.

Of course, but hey here is frequency chart for that forest fight, taken from awesome youtube clip(not mine).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxQqe...eature=related

I hope it's just that theatre sound system(or cam mic) and not final, what we get later this year. Good midbass in there though.

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Saw RotF this weekend. Great action but a bit too fast to tell the good guys from the bad. I could tell there was a lot of good LFE, but not in this theater. Hoping for a quick release for home viewing.

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Saw RotF this weekend. Great action but a bit too fast to tell the good guys from the bad. I could tell there was a lot of good LFE, but not in this theater. Hoping for a quick release for home viewing.

Should be out around Christmas no?
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