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post #601 of 624 Old 03-11-2016, 08:51 PM
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I got my 8033-Cinema set up tonight and I'm very impressed. The boom is gone and all that's left is smooth, powerful and flat bass from my PSA S3000i. As someone who used to set up and equalize theaters, I've been chasing this kind of bass for many years and I can't believe a $350 tool is all I really needed. I wish I had heard of it long ago.

Very good to hear. Did u end up increasing the volume on subs or just as is ?


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Most will feel the need to boost the bass a little after getting the problems peek away in the room, still the bass should be more powerful and have a tactile better feel to it.

Works wonderful on my dual 3x12

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Most will feel the need to boost the bass a little after getting the problems peek away a in the room, still the bass should be more powerful and have a tactile better feel to it.



Works wonderful on my dual 3x12




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Been interested in getting an Anti-Mode ever since I ordered a new subwoofer and my avr has no correction program. Can't find any inexpensive boxes for sale anywhere. I do have a SPL meter though. Been thinking about buying directly from VLSI. Cinema would be $307. Don't understand what the S-II would do for $81 more, and if I need that. On the VLSI store website, there is a place for a coupon code. Anyone know of a coupon code?
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Very good to hear. Did u end up increasing the volume on subs or just as is ?


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I set the volume about halfway up on my sub and left it there for both the Antimode and preamp's equalization routine. It ended up at -1, and my SPL meter showed it right at 85 dBC, so I left it there.

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I set the volume about halfway up on my sub and left it there for both the Antimode and preamp's equalization routine. It ended up at -1, and my SPL meter showed it right at 85 dBC, so I left it there.
Just out of curiosity have you tested both the flat and the subsonic filter modes? According to the documentation the subsonic filter mode is the default after initial calibration, but I would assume flat is what most people use?

Been thinking of trying one of these but after reading the manuals and researching I'm a little unsure of why subsonic filter would be the default.

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Just out of curiosity have you tested both the flat and the subsonic filter modes? According to the documentation the subsonic filter mode is the default after initial calibration, but I would assume flat is what most people use?

Been thinking of trying one of these but after reading the manuals and researching I'm a little unsure of why subsonic filter would be the default.
From what I read in the manual, the subsonic filter is on by default to protect ported subs. If you don't have a ported sub, or have a beast of a ported sub, I'd go with the Flat mode, which is what I ended up setting mine to after the calibration.

I use the Dolby Atmos Amaze Trailer as my benchmark. The bass is insanely deep and powerful when the lightning strikes and thunder cracks about a minute into the trailer. Going from subsonic to flat was the difference between Wow! and Holy ______! With most material, I haven't noticed much difference, though.

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From what I read in the manual, the subsonic filter is on by default to protect ported subs. If you don't have a ported sub, or have a beast of a ported sub, I'd go with the Flat mode, which is what I ended up setting mine to after the calibration.

I use the Dolby Atmos Amaze Trailer as my benchmark. The bass is insanely deep and powerful when the lightning strikes and thunder cracks about a minute into the trailer. Going from subsonic to flat was the difference between Wow! and Holy ______! With most material, I haven't noticed much difference, though.
I see, so what is considered a "beast" of a ported sub? I have a PSA 15v for example. Should I be concerned with any potential damage from running a flat calibration?

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On the antimode 8033s-II, after cal the subsonic is auto engaged. You can disable it, IF you leave the cal as is.

If you want to engage the low freq LIFT function (think house curve) then the subsonic turns back on and there is no way to disable it. Part of the reason I bought a 8033, but then also bought a Dual Core. Well, that... and dual subs, PEQ function, etc..
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On the antimode 8033s-II, after cal the subsonic is auto engaged. You can disable it, IF you leave the cal as is.

If you want to engage the low freq LIFT function (think house curve) then the subsonic turns back on and there is no way to disable it. Part of the reason I bought a 8033, but then also bought a Dual Core. Well, that... and dual subs, PEQ function, etc..
Not interested in lift modes. Just wondering if there is any risk to calibrating and then running flat as it seems that the levels are much higher on the low end of the frequency range that way. I guess I thought there might be some risk when I read through the manual and saw something about protecting a ported sub and that the subsonic mode is default.

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No risk whatsoever flat.

If you had some cheap POS sub, and cranked the low end via lift, AND put on a worn out badly recorded record (yes turntable) that put out distorted low end...well, then THAT is what the subsonic filter is for.
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On the antimode 8033s-II, after cal the subsonic is auto engaged. You can disable it, IF you leave the cal as is.

If you want to engage the low freq LIFT function (think house curve) then the subsonic turns back on and there is no way to disable it. Part of the reason I bought a 8033, but then also bought a Dual Core. Well, that... and dual subs, PEQ function, etc..

Is the dual core worth the extra investment when I have the anti mode already ? I'm running 2 SVS PB13 Ultras in a medium sized room not really built for home theater use.


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This question was first generated in a thread I posted in "Help with EQ-ing my Sub". I just realized there was an Antimode thread, so here I am.

OK. Here I go again. Just when I thought I was making a move for a new avr (Denon x2200W), I started rethinking the Antimode option. Mainly because I figure I'm keeping the NAD regardless and it would be nice to pair it with a DSP of some kind. I've looked at the DSPeaker website and read the manual, but I'm confused with the 2.1 hookup diagram. My NAD C370 has pre-outs. But if I use the pre-out to connect to the Antimode, then connect the Antimode to my sub through the line out, doesn't that leave my mains nowehere? Don't I have to return the signal to my NAD through the pre-ins? This question reveals my inexperience with these matters, I know. But I could use a hand figuring this out in my head before I decide to go this route. A simple line diagram would be helpful with your explanation; I gotta "see" stuff to get it.

For more background to my questions, you can take a look at my original, short thread. Thanks ahead of time.
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How do you use Anti mode with Yamaha YPAO plus four subs? I have two subs in front of room and two MBM,s in back of room. YPAO only has one distance measurement. When running all four subs YPAO gives a 4' measurement, when running only front subs it gives a 10' measurement. Should I run YPAO with the subs off and just use what antmode stores for measurements?
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Deleted... > when i saw there was 4 subs involved....





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Thinking about getting an antimode. I've got a pioneer receiver with only one subwoofer out and I'm splitting the signal to my two subs. Would it be beneficial for me to get the s-ii or should I just stick with the cinema?


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Thinking about getting an antimode. I've got a pioneer receiver with only one subwoofer out and I'm splitting the signal to my two subs. Would it be beneficial for me to get the s-ii or should I just stick with the cinema?


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I have same setup, 2 subs...

I got the sii because it has more filters to eq with and eqs higher..
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Bob at Creative Sound Solutions is winding down...

I bought an 8033s-ii from a Quebec manufacturer named Solen, I'll let you know how they - and Canada Post - performed tomorrow.


As for the 8033-ii I'm sure it will work brilliantly with my Oppo bdp-95's bass management for all PCM sources on the 7.1 analog outs. My large room - 30' x 16.5' x 9.5' with my quasi-ITU setup done width-wise with all speakers roughly 12' from the listening position - is rather undemanding: with the Anthem AVM 20 I pull down the axial mode at 34 Hz by 4 dB and with a 40 Hz crossover with my Paradigm Studio 100 v3s to the Servo-15 sub that works out rather well for DVD and Fibe TV.


I'm sure the 8033 will only do better and give me more uniform results with my three BM schemes:
1. 5.1 out with the Oppo (all PCM sources except DVD and TV)
2. The Anthem AVM 20 (TV and DVD)
3. Analog BM on the 7.1 outs through an Outlaw Audio ICBM-1 (SACD). Really implemented as 2.1 or 5.1 "super sub" below 40 Hz using the unused "low quality" front L,R outputs from the Oppo.


SACD could remain a sore point if I can detect a signal delay, although I do have one option for moving the Servo-15 closer. Of course there's always the possibility that I could convince myself that conversion to PCM is acceptable (with room correction). So far my ears tell me otherwise, and it isn't even close.
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Antimode 8033

Pulled the trigger on the 8033s-ii last night. I'll post my thoughts when it comes in.


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How much can I sell an original Anti mode 8033?

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the damnedest thing...

I got out my Radio Shack SPL meter and found out that the Oppo bdp-95 runs the .1 analog channel 6 dB higher than the Anthem AVM 20 does. I think prior to calibration I was splitting the difference, the Anthem was probably -3 dB and the Oppo was running right where I like it for moderate listening levels, about 3 dB hot. I had noticed that the bass tracks on Dolby 5.1 movies were a little weak for my taste, but put in down to Bell. After calibration the difference stuck out like a sore thumb: I had moved the AVM 20 up to +3 so the Oppo was +9. The launch in Ender's Game had the whole room shaking at a moderate listening level.

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this is disappointing...

While I gained something from the exercise - hadn't done any measuring in my system in a long time - the anti-mode 8033s-ii is back in the box ready to go back unless DSPeaker's tech people can help me out. During calibration it turned up the gain on my Paradigm Servo-15 sub well beyond the ability of my Anthem AVM 20 to correct it - well over 10dB, in fact more than 15dB. I tried re-calibrating, but to no avail. I already turned the sub down to 20/100, and turning it down even further after calibration seems to do nothing.


Much of the boom I was concerned with was because the .1 channel on my Oppo bdp-95 runs close to 10 dB hot. I never had this issue with the Esoteric DV-50 and just didn't think to test it. My large (16.5' x 30' x 9.5') and soft (much upholstery, carpet, drapes, wood floor, 1840's construction) is fairly benign (with a 40 Hz crossover) apart from a narrow 4 dB bump around the first axial mode at 34 Hz.


Anyway, I'll be sad to send this thing back without a thorough trial, but I can't think what to do differently.


Oops! I wasn't using BM with the Esoteric, because it only did BM for DVDs, and my Anthem AVM 20 does that. I was applying the LFE calibration to the 7.1 outputs of the Oppo through my ICBM-1 bass manager! Okay, but that still doesn't explain the bass gain in my Anthem.


Fixed. Stupid user error and now the anti-mode is working fine.
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