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post #241 of 557 Old 01-16-2012, 10:03 AM
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deepstang, thank you for the constructive comments. Really helpful.
I have the Audyssey MultiEqXT in a Denon 3808.

After calibrating the AntiMode, I ran Audyssey calibration.
I then did REW with Bypass mode on, Audyssey On and Audyssey Off.
It did not show significant differences at all.

So, using ByPass mode is not a fair comparison between Audyssey XT and Anti-Mode in it's eq capabilities.

I will need to do Just Audyssey, without the 8033 in the chain and do a REW graph.
Then add the 8033 to the chain, and see if the anti-mode improves on AudysseyXT.

But it is academic and a moot point really, as I truly like what I am hearing now.
I won't be running without the anti-mode anyway.
Am I making any sense?

Ah, VERY true. I should have thought to ask that. To do a fair comparison, the proper sequence to run the calibrations is to:

1: connect the AM-8033 in line from the sub out from the receiver (just as you have it now)

2: run the AM-8033 sub setup

3: make sure the AM-8033 is set to flat (no 25 or 35Hz boost), than run Audyssey

4: after all Audyssey calibration is done, you can change the AM settings to include the boost.

Regardless of the comparison and the graphs, the above sequence is the proper way to incorporate the 8033 along with Audyssey. This allows more effective control of the optional boost feature on the 8033 as well.

**EDIT** above sequence was edited thans to a1bert reminder. THANKS!!
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3: run Audyssey FIRST (with 8033 still in bypass)

4: after all Audyssey calibration is done, run the calibration for the AM-8033 (w/ the Audyssey calibration active)

5: then put away your measurement tools and run Audyssey again so it is aware of the corrected sub.

Because Anti-Mode sits just before the sub, it is not aware of any corrections Audyssey has performed. If you stop at 4, you end up with double corrections! (So, unless you are making comparisons, switch 3 and 4: always run Anti-Mode first, then the AVR calibration.)
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True! Thanks for clarifying!
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ok i have a ? i just hooked it up the outlaw lfm-1 ex, ran the antimode and then audyssey xt. it comes out at -12dB, is that normal. should i manually adjust or just leave it?
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Turn down the gain on the sub a bit and run them again (always run 8033 first in your particular setup). That may bring it to a smaller change from 0.
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You should probably turn down the gain on your sub and rerun it. That is usually the limit that your reciever can cut your sub and therefore it may not be setting it properly. I like to set the gain on my sub so that it comes out between -3 and + 3 after autocalibration.


edit: ovation beat me to it.
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ok i have it set at 2, so how much lower should i go?
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I have my dual SVS PC-12NSD's gain both set at 10 o'clock position and the avr trim after calibration is at -0.5dB.
I would suggest you try 9 o'clock position first.
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So if I have a Pioneer SC25 how would I do a run thru with the antimode?

Is it the same route as mentioned above?
Ah, VERY true. I should have thought to ask that. To do a fair comparison, the proper sequence to run the calibrations is to:

1: connect the AM-8033 in line from the sub out from the receiver (just as you have it now)

2: run the AM-8033 sub setup

3: make sure the AM-8033 is set to flat (no 25 or 35Hz boost), than run Audyssey

4: after all Audyssey calibration is done, you can change the AM settings to include the boost.

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Ah, VERY true. I should have thought to ask that. To do a fair comparison, the proper sequence to run the calibrations is to:

1: connect the AM-8033 in line from the sub out from the receiver (just as you have it now)

2: run the AM-8033 sub setup

3: make sure the AM-8033 is set to flat (no 25 or 35Hz boost), than run Audyssey

4: after all Audyssey calibration is done, you can change the AM settings to include the boost.

Regardless of the comparison and the graphs, the above sequence is the proper way to incorporate the 8033 along with Audyssey. This allows more effective control of the optional boost feature on the 8033 as well.

**EDIT** above sequence was edited thans to a1bert reminder. THANKS!!

I think your initial post's sequence is correct if one wants to do REW to compare Audyssey XT and Anti-Mode.
In your current edited sequence, which is what I did, AudysseyXT 's calibration will recognise what AM has done already, leaving it to fine tune.
AM has done most of the eq, leaving Audyssey with little to do.
So,a REW with AM in bypass mode will NOT show the actual correction that it is capable of.

This edited sequence is the proper one to use to set up AM with Audyssey and Not for comparison of the two.
a1bert's reminder to run Audyssey with the AM on as the last step in the previous sequence is correct too.
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So if I have a Pioneer SC25 how would I do a run thru with the antimode?

Is it the same route as mentioned above?
Ah, VERY true. I should have thought to ask that. To do a fair comparison, the proper sequence to run the calibrations is to:

1: connect the AM-8033 in line from the sub out from the receiver (just as you have it now)

2: run the AM-8033 sub setup

3: make sure the AM-8033 is set to flat (no 25 or 35Hz boost), than run Audyssey

4: after all Audyssey calibration is done, you can change the AM settings to include the boost.

Yes, the set-up sequence to integrate anti-mode 8033 is as stated except Pioneer uses MCACC for the room calibration.
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hello,
I have a SVSPB12NSD when using lift 35 with the films, the excursion of the subs driver is greatly increased .. there is the risk of damaging it? someone else uses lift 35 with this sub?
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hello,
I have a SVSPB12NSD when using lift 35 with the films, the excursion of the subs driver is greatly increased .. there is the risk of damaging it? someone else uses lift 35 with this sub?

Why use any lift at all with your sub? According to Audioholics " SVS rates the response as 18-150Hz+/-3dB. The response as measured came in at 19-275Hz"

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Why use any lift at all with your sub? According to Audioholics " SVS rates the response as 18-150Hz+/-3dB. The response as measured came in at 19-275Hz"


IMHO it's all a matter of opinion. On paper flat looks great, but some have a preference for emphasizing the deepest bass. That's why there is something called a house curve...

PS Overdriving ones sub surely isn't a good thing. That's why people look for extra headroom. SVS should be able to answer any questions about risks associated with using EQ to boost the low end.
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the bass is much stronger with 35 lifts.
In this way I like best, I will ask svs ..
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I believe the 35Hz lift boosts about +7dB. Can you damage your sub? Maybe depending on how loud it is and how high the gain is turned up. During normal listening, I do not think it will matter.




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The 25 and 35 hz lifts seem too much IMO during my listening tests. A 3 dB bump might be useful to more Antimode users. I leave the 8033 flat with the sub channel 3 dB hot, this sounds much better to my ears.
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The 25 and 35 hz lifts seem too much IMO during my listening tests. A 3 dB bump might be useful to more Antimode users. I leave the 8033 flat with the sub channel 3 dB hot, this sounds much better to my ears.
Tim

Agree, some material won't do with that much lift.
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"Anti Mode Cinema" model coming out http://www.dspeaker.com/fileadmin/da...nema-press.pdf.

Interesting to see another updated model....

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Interesting to see another updated model....

Only looks slightly better. Same price as the 8033c now though so no reason to not get it new over the 8033c. If they discounted the 8033c that might be a better deal.

Still selling my 8033c if anyone is interested as well.
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"Anti Mode Cinema" model coming out http://www.dspeaker.com/fileadmin/da...nema-press.pdf.

Hey Bill

Did you recieve your AntiMode Dual Core yet? If so, how does it compare to the EQ's you have used in the past?
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Hey Bill

Did you recieve your AntiMode Dual Core yet? If so, how does it compare to the EQ's you have used in the past?

Dual core is supposed to come out in a couple of weeks. What is intriging to me is that you can set a house curve and see it on the readoout. Also, can set several sweet spots for audio.
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Only looks slightly better. Same price as the 8033c now though so no reason to not get it new over the 8033c. If they discounted the 8033c that might be a better deal.

Still selling my 8033c if anyone is interested as well.

Curious what city you are located in?
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i'm kinda sorta in the market. feel free to pm me with your price if you're selling.
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General response I got back on the new one from DSP -

"Anti-Mode 8033C production stops primarily because AC power plugs are phasing out in EU (because of energy efficiency directives), and the C model can not use DC power. Cinema accepts both AC and DC power, which is the most important point to us as a manufacturer. Other improvements are things that have come along due to different reasons, among other things the experience gathered during Dual Core development.

If you are worried that power-on or power-off thump is not good for your sub, but want Anti-Mode and sub power switched in any order, then you may consider the hardware improvements useful. The separately switchable subsonic filter may also be useful for some people.

If you tried Anti-Mode in a situation it did not work well, then the changes in the calibration procedure may be worth a try. If your cross-over frequency is higher than 100Hz, then Cinema may get better results because of the extra filters."

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My 8033c serves me quite well (I leave it on all the time, so no "thump"), so I don't plan to upgrade. However, if I ever add a sub to my living room (a few years down the road--likely my current one when I upgrade my HT sub), I will definitely be getting an 8033 of some version or another.
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So has anyone received their dual core yet?
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So has anyone received their dual core yet?

I was in the first 100 to order and still am waiting.
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